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moderated members column for date of last post #suggestion

Leeni
 

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-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/4/2018 9:58:15 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
In other words: What I want to see is if and when my group members have been active without having to scroll through dozens of pages of messages (and keep track of what I find) and without having to go through every member's activity log.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 7:55 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 07:53 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
If it can be done that way
Because the utility of that is very limited. What you will see in the message list might be, for example, 20 posts by one or two members during the last couple of days, then a couple of pages of posts of a couple of other members, etc. In my group you would have to scroll through pages and pages to see all of the members who have posted recently, and in what order.
 
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J_Catlady
 

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 09:13 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Yes but the most recent posters would be at the top of the list
You're still not understanding the issue. 
 
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J_Catlady
 

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 09:17 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Go to activity
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You're not understanding the issue.
 
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J_Catlady
 

And I don't think this is a subject for beta any more. Mark will decide whether or not he wants to add the field. If you want to discuss the difference between members in order of most recent post, vs. messages in order of most recent message, you should probably take it up in GMF.


On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:35 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 09:17 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Go to activity
Click on Message Activity
You're not understanding the issue.
 
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Leeni
 

It seems you aren't understanding the issue 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/4/2018 11:35:20 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 09:17 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Go to activity
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You're not understanding the issue.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 
Leeni
 

You are the one who brought the issue up, so I suggest that you follow your own advice and bring this issue up in GMF
It doesn't bother me either way. I don't need that column and most of don't
It seems you are the only one who does 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/4/2018 11:37:23 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
And I don't think this is a subject for beta any more. Mark will decide whether or not he wants to add the field. If you want to discuss the difference between members in order of most recent post, vs. messages in order of most recent message, you should probably take it up in GMF.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:35 AM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 09:17 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
Go to activity
Click on Message Activity
You're not understanding the issue.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 
J_Catlady
 

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 09:41 AM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
I suggest that you follow your own advice and bring this issue up in GMF
 
My suggestion is not appropriate for GMF, since it's a feature suggestion. Your suggestions don't solve the problem the feature I'm suggesting does. I think I'm done here. :)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Frances
 

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances
J_Catlady
 

That’s pretty much exactly why I want it.


On Dec 6, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Frances <frances@...> wrote:

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Leeni
 

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances
 
Toby Kraft
 

Frances,
Just want to mention there is no way to know who is 'reading' the posts, as there is no tracking of who 'opened' the email message (or viewed on the web either as far as I know). 
That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply.  But what about "Like"?  Members could read posts and "Like" them so they are interacting with the group but not necessarily posting.  Perhaps another data field of 'most recent Like' would be useful?
Toby
Frances
 

Thanks, Toby.  You say: "That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply.”

That’s what is being suggested - to the member list in Admin. Did you have another suggestion that would allow me to see members who never post or those that post just once?

I am just curious about whether our newer members ever post. We used to have a requirement that they introduced themselves. We don’t now (although I realize we can add that in). And we’ll always have a percentage of lurkers or those who post rarely.

If we have the majority of members never post, then we cease to become an active list. If they never click on reply, even once, we can’t be relevant to them.

You mention, “likes”. I don’t believe there is any way to see them.

Really what I am talking about is metrics. Ways to measure participation and engagement.

Frances
J_Catlady
 

With what magical kingdom suggests, you might (and in mine and many groups would) see pages and pages of the same people posting before finding the information I and Frances (and one of two others here who Liked the original suggestion) want; and you would see only active posters. You would not, importantly, have at hand a sorted list, by recent activity level or the lack thereof, of members who are INACTVE and their level of inactivity.

I think Toby’s suggestion is interesting, but for me, would not be so crucial.


On Dec 6, 2018, at 9:55 AM, "magicalkingdomgroups@..." <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one
 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.

Frances
 

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
J_Catlady
 

Frances, again, home run. That’s precisely the information I want and which is so difficult to attain now. The last posted date order would be extremely helpful.

As for people who don’t like it, you would not have to use it. There is no more suggestion that if substitute for the date joined. It would be additional,


On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Frances <frances@...> wrote:

Thanks, Toby.  You say: "That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply.”

That’s what is being suggested - to the member list in Admin. Did you have another suggestion that would allow me to see members who never post or those that post just once?

I am just curious about whether our newer members ever post. We used to have a requirement that they introduced themselves. We don’t now (although I realize we can add that in). And we’ll always have a percentage of lurkers or those who post rarely.

If we have the majority of members never post, then we cease to become an active list. If they never click on reply, even once, we can’t be relevant to them.

You mention, “likes”. I don’t believe there is any way to see them.

Really what I am talking about is metrics. Ways to measure participation and engagement.

Frances


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Jim Higgins
 

Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information; it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as Frances suggests.

Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.

So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one would ever try.

Jim H



Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one



-------Original Message-------
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.Frances
Jim Higgins
 

That wouldn't capture reads (likes) by people who receive individual messages at their home email address... where there's no "like" button. Nor would it capture reads via the web by those who don't bother to click "like."

I'm not sure of the value of this even if the read data were accurate... but with it being as inaccurate as it will be I see almost no utility.

Jim H



Received from Toby Kraft at 12/6/2018 06:05 PM UTC:

Frances,
Just want to mention there is no way to know who is 'reading' the posts, as there is no tracking of who 'opened' the email message (or viewed on the web either as far as I know).
That got me thinking that we can add a last post date for the most recent post/reply. But what about "Like"? Members could read posts and "Like" them so they are interacting with the group but not necessarily posting. Perhaps another data field of 'most recent Like' would be useful?
Toby
Leeni
 

I wrote about the activity section prior to Frances' email
She wrote what she wrote after I did so I had no way of knowing what she was going to write.
Sorry.
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/6/2018 12:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like
Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information;
it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as
Frances suggests.
 
Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one
line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs
Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to
the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.
 
So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent
posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A
few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one
would ever try.
 
Jim H
 
 
 
Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:
 
>Most of that is available in the activity section
>Click on Member Activity
>Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
>And see when the posted or how much the posted
>And then go on to the next one
>
>
>
>-------Original Message-------
>>From: Frances
>>Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
>>Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
>>
>>I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many
>>don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I
>>could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate
>>of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading
>>but not participating, for example.Frances
 
 
 
J_Catlady
 

Jim is exactly right. (And Frances’s approach is my original suggestion in this thread.) This is a matter of someone being unclear on the concept.

On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@...> wrote:


Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information; it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as Frances suggests.

Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.

So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one would ever try.

Jim H



Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:

Most of that is available in the activity section
Click on Member Activity
Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
And see when the posted or how much the posted
And then go on to the next one



-------Original Message-------
From: Frances
Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion

I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading but not participating, for example.Frances


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
J_Catlady
 

Unclear on the concept.


On Dec 6, 2018, at 11:01 AM, "magicalkingdomgroups@..." <magicalkingdomgroups@...> wrote:

I wrote about the activity section prior to Frances' email
She wrote what she wrote after I did so I had no way of knowing what she was going to write.
Sorry.
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/6/2018 12:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
 
Aw c'mon! What's available in the Member Activity section is NOTHING like
Frances' suggestion below. What you get with your approach isn't information;
it's DATA. It becomes information only when it's presented USEFULLY as
Frances suggests.
 
Via your approach you see the name and date for every single posting, one
line per posting, with many lines showing for the more active members... vs
Frances' suggestion below that simply adds the date of most recent posting to
the member listing... one line per member... sortable by date of last posting.
 
So... how hard might it be to find the 50 most recent or 50 least recent
posters (out of 1,000 subscribers) via your approach vs Frances' approach? A
few seconds via Frances' approach... so long via your approach that no one
would ever try.
 
Jim H
 
 
 
Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 12/6/2018 05:55 PM UTC:
 
>Most of that is available in the activity section
>Click on Member Activity
>Then you can click on the individual you want to look up
>And see when the posted or how much the posted
>And then go on to the next one
>
>
>
>-------Original Message-------
>>From: Frances
>>Date: 12/6/2018 10:59:39 AM
>>Subject: Re: [beta] members column for date of last post #suggestion
>>
>>I think it would be interesting to see how many members post and how many
>>don't. If last posted date was added, and the column was clickable so I
>>could view it by date order, I could scroll down and get a rough estimate
>>of activity by members. I could see the join date of those who are reading
>>but not participating, for example.Frances
 
 
 

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Mark Fletcher
 

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