moderated Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 07:22 PM, John Wirtz SF wrote:
Imagine if your postman filtered yourYes, that's one reason I am with a "small" ( thousands of subscribers) provider and happily paying a few euro. It uses spamassassin, which means I can (/have to) check my spambox for "ham" and unflag it. groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It could be that messages are being delayed as they're routed to Spamhous, so the time frames given may be incorrect. Or something else. Clearly I'm missing something.Mark, is there any possibility that your mailserver is being scored negatively by its hostname using the .IO TLD (there may have been some earlier discussion about this but I cannot find it)? I presume you're the owner of groupsio.com (as it is a registered domain), so did you ever use that in earlier times? Roger
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Joseph Hudson
Mark, I'm seeing delay again with Spectrum/TWC. As of 2 o'clock.
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On Oct 26, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
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Sounds like that thing where to stay in business you have to pay the mob.
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On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:22 AM, John Wirtz SF <john@...> wrote:
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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John Wirtz SF
Chris,
One of the reasons I wanted to use a group rather than do bulk email from my own IP is that I encountered this problem and it wasn’t stable. Every provider has different criteria, few of them report the bouncing (gmail in particular). It has been a real problem for two or three years now. I’ve attempted to get support but failed miserably, no answer to support emails, nothing. Many asking for fees to unblock, etc. One colleague said: just get “G Suite”. I think that exactly what Google want. There’s something going on and I can’t believe it’s only about spam. Imagine if you post man filtered your mail before he put it though your letter box. That’s exactly what these providers are doiung, makinf devisions for us anmd not giving us any support to fix it and authenticate our business activity.
But, for those who wonder why we pay, we have a (real person) who attempts to fix things for us.
Cheers
John Wirtz
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Chris Jones via groups.io
Sent: 26 October 2020 15:12 To: main@beta.groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
BT have also restored normal service - for now anyway!
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John Wirtz SF
Bob,
That’s useful, how do you do it?
John Wirtz
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert Oshel
Sent: 26 October 2020 14:27 To: main@beta.groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc
You can set a filter in Gmail so it never sends messages from Groups.IO to spam.
Bob
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:48 AM Bärbel Stephenson <Lismibaebi@...> wrote:
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Andrew Partan
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:Odd; I do get notifications from spamcop. Its From: @reports.spamcop.net and sent to abuse@ and it has a full copy of the offending message. Andrew Partan
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Good that some of them treat spamhaus itself as spam! :-)
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On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Robert Oshel <robert.oshel@...> wrote:
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 8:33 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote: It isn't. :-) Mark
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Chris Jones
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I do not get any notification. There are three indicators: complaints on beta@, mail queues filling up, and error messages from email servers when we try to send messages to them.Thanks for describing the position; I asked because I would not want to post on beta about something that had already been flagged up automatically. At least we now know that raising it here is not superfluous noise. At least I hope it isn't. :) Chris.
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 8:11 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
I do not get any notification. There are three indicators: complaints on beta@, mail queues filling up, and error messages from email servers when we try to send messages to them. With Spamhaus, we've now been blocked 3 times in the last week. They give me the times that they've seen spam, within +/- 5 minutes. I've gone through the logs and tried to correlate email addresses that we've sent messages to during those times. That has resulted in 2 email addresses, both of which are legit and long term subscribers to multiple groups that have received a lot of email over the past several days. It could be that messages are being delayed as they're routed to Spamhous, so the time frames given may be incorrect. Or something else. Clearly I'm missing something. They responded to my email yesterday afternoon with a canned response about checking for malware on my server. I responded immediately, and have not gotten anything back as of yet. They say do not try to send multiple emails to support, so I've been holding off. There was an instance maybe a year and a half ago, where a group transferred from Yahoo. One of the email addresses was a honeypot email address for the Trend Micro blocklist. That email address had been on the Yahoo Group for years previously. But when the group moved over here, that triggered a block. I wonder if something similar is happening here. Mark
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Robert Oshel
It would appear that not all email providers are blocking Groups.IO messages because of the
Spamhaus
action. Apparently some, including Gmail, are simply putting some or all of them in Spam folders. For example, I've started getting a fair number of Groups.IO messages placed erroneously in my Gmail spam folder which previously almost never happened. Bob
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:01 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:30 PM, Robert Oshel wrote:
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Chris Jones
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
We were blocked again by Spamhaus last night for a few hours.BT have also restored normal service - for now anyway! Mark; when Groups.io gets blacklisted do you receive any formal notification or are you reliant on one of us flagging the problem up here or via the support email address? Chris
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Chris Jones
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:30 PM, Robert Oshel wrote:
You can set a filter in Gmail so it never sends messages from Groups.IO to spam.I'm sorry but you are missing the point here. The problem is that Spamhaus has blacklisted Groups.io and service providers are reacting accordingly by bouncing Groups.io traffic in its entirety, not shunting it into individual's spam boxes. At the moment it seems to be OK, but who knows what the next few hours will bring... Chris
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Thank you Bob, yes, will do if it continues. I just
find it "strange" that this seems to happen while io groups is
facing blacklisting in various places. I usually only have real
spam in the spam folder.
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Barbara
On 10/26/20 14:27, Robert Oshel wrote:
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Robert Oshel
You can set a filter in Gmail so it never sends messages from Groups.IO to spam. Bob
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:48 AM Bärbel Stephenson <Lismibaebi@...> wrote: During the last couple of days I have noticed that I quite a few messages are going into the Spam folder at gmail. Messages from groups that never went into the spam folder before.
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Hi All, We were blocked again by Spamhaus last night for a few hours. They have not been helpful as of yet, and I have not been able to isolate what address is causing the blocking. Good news is that I've gotten word from Charter that they have removed the block. So, some progress. Thanks, Mark
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Mark Fletcher wrote:
It appears most places are no longer blocking us because of this listing,I mentioned the problem long ago in GMF. Italian ISP Telecom (which owns email providers alice.it, aliceposta.it, tin.it) has been rejecting Groups.io messages for months with the following error message: "smtp.aliceposta.it: 550 mail not accepted from blacklisted IP address [66.175.222.12] " Nearly all my members in hard bounce status have an account linked to Telecom. I didn't find a way to contact Telecom about this and eventually I gave up trying. Thank you for all your work, Mark. Marina
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During the last couple of days I have noticed that I quite a few messages are going into the Spam folder at gmail. Messages from groups that never went into the spam folder before.
Barbara
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Chris Jones
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 09:28 PM, I wrote:
on the plus side my own service provider is passing mails through normally, at least for now.And they have stopped again. :( This was first drawn to my attention by a moderator on a different group who got the same error message as yesterday at 0843 UK time; I had a message for moderation through at 0900 but the post moderation release was bounced at 0949. Grrr Chris
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