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moderated make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion


 

In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark


 

One way would be to designate an automatic dedicated color for mod-only tags. I’m predicting there may be some objections here to that, but it seems like a very simple way for the user’s eye to filter out all the red (or black, or whatever) tags as not available to them.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark

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Or light gray, like unavailable seats when you’re buying tickets to something.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

One way would be to designate an automatic dedicated color for mod-only tags. I’m predicting there may be some objections here to that, but it seems like a very simple way for the user’s eye to filter out all the red (or black, or whatever) tags as not available to them.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:55 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.
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I am always leery when I think something is obvious, only to be told that I've missed the real "obvious" part, but here goes...

Since a non-moderator only ever sees the available hashtags in the drop-down when starting a new topic, isn't the inference that if you can't use it, it doesn't really matter.

Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
 
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Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft. If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).

Bruce


 

Another idea is to use single-letter codes, with a key at the bottom of the page - M for mod only, L for locked, P for private replies only, etc. But that may not be enough information (e.g. if M, you still don’t know if it’s replies by mods only; if D for duration, yoh don’t know the duration; etc). So another idea is to give non-mods ability to click on each tag to see a detailed page, similar to what mods have but without edit capability.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft. If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).

Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Michael Pavan
 

On Jan 20, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Bruce Bowman <@BruceBowman> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft.
This notification could have the list of permitted hashtags, preferably with an explanation of their use, so that email only users do not have to go online.

The link to the draft may go unused if they choose to correct / recompose using their email client.


If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).


Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

J_Catlady wrote:
Another idea is to use single-letter codes, with a key at the bottom of the page - M for mod only, L for locked, P for private replies only, etc. But that may not be enough information (e.g. if M, you still don’t know if it’s replies by mods only; if D for duration, yoh don’t know the duration; etc). So another idea is to give non-mods ability to click on each tag to see a detailed page, similar to what mods have but without edit capability.

I'm not sure what form the implementation would take, but if all are visible, this would be a perfect place for Tooltips!

Larry

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Larry wrote:

I'm not sure what form the implementation would take, but if all are
visible, this would be a perfect place for Tooltips!
I like this idea, and would make the tooltip cover the entire box area, not just the slashed-circle "no" symbol.

Only if J's letter badges idea is adopted would I limit the tool-tip to the area of the associated badge (since there might be more than one).

For a list of tags as short as beta's that's likely sufficient. But I
think the addition of a "Also Show Moderator-Only Hashtags"
checkbox (default off) at the top of the list would likely be very
helpful in groups with a larger collection of hashtags.

Shal