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moderated GIO in the long term


Scott Logan
 

I am a member of one more Y!G that is considering moving to GIO. The owner is also considering Google Groups. This group has been around for nearly 20 years (almost as long as my own).

 

A valid concern has been brought up about the long-term viability of GIO, as expressed below.

 

Can anyone provide some insight? Maybe Mark can comment, especially as to the financial realities.

 

Thank you.

 

Scott

 

 

I share Diane's concern about the long-term viability of groups.io vs Google Groups (to the extent that anything has long-term viability these days). Usenet was around forever before becoming Google Groups, and has a large corporation supporting it. Then again, that same corporation abandoned its widely used Google+ social media service (and of course now we see Yahoo ... ). Groups.io is an appealing site but I don't know what its financial support is, to assure it stays up if the owner loses interest or something. Is there a world-wide community of people committed to the indefinite operation of groups.io no matter what eventually happens to the site's founder(s) etc.? I'm wishing for something like how the Linux kernel's long term viability has been totally and firmly decoupled from the viability of Torvalds.


 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 07:53 AM, Scott Logan wrote:
if the owner loses interest or something
The only facts I have to back this up are my ongoing experiences on this beta group, and as a GIO member, for several years, but I can tell you this: that is just not going to happen. I think even the idea of that is making many of us here laugh out loud. Mark's commitment to this is unquestionable. I can't speak to the rest of your concerns.
 
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p.s. Scott: apologies for assuming in my previous post that you were a brand-new member here. I see now that you've actually been here for awhile, so you already know what I know. Wish I could give you some hard data. Hopefully Mark will help out.
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J wrote:

 

The only facts I have to back this up are my ongoing experiences on this beta group, and as a GIO member, for several years, but I can tell you this: that is just not going to happen. I think even the idea of that is making many of us here laugh out loud. Mark's commitment to this is unquestionable. I can't speak to the rest of your concerns.
 
This I can only underline! But when I see how hundreds of new io-Groups were founded just in the last few days wishing to become transferred till deadline, I really do worry about Mark´s health.

 

Victoria


 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Victoria wrote:
I really do worry about Mark´s health.
He seriously needs to charge extra for the spate of rushed transfers; I wasn't kidding about that. He could use the money to hire some drones to do the transfers. (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)
 
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J wrote: (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)

Well, there are some who were comfortable until that Yahoo message showed up on the front pages which is only a short time ago if I recall correctly. These owners are really caught unarmed.

 

I am a (just reading) member in two of these groups, one of them has 5490 (canine cushings) and the other 4343 (feline hyper-T) members. They are doing a real good job as well. What a mess!

 

Victoria


 

In fact, they were the first group I thought of when I heard the news yesterday. But I have no way to reach them any more because I no longer even go near yahoo.
The vet in my group was (and possibly is still) in their group. Maybe I’ll reach out to him.


On Oct 17, 2019, at 9:01 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I tried to get CanineCushings to transfer a couple of years ago. The owner, then a vet student (possibly now a vet) and someone I respect, absolutely shut her ears to my suggestion/plea.


On Oct 17, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Victoria via Groups.Io <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

J wrote: (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)

Well, there are some who were comfortable until that Yahoo message showed up on the front pages which is only a short time ago if I recall correctly. These owners are really caught unarmed.

 

I am a (just reading) member in two of these groups, one of them has 5490 (canine cushings) and the other 4343 (feline hyper-T) members. They are doing a real good job as well. What a mess!

 

Victoria


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Bärbel Stephenson
 

I can assure you that many involved in yahoo groups for many years do not believe the news yet and are confident that yahoo will not do what they said they will...
And I actually got told off in a group yesterday for spreading untruths...
 
Barbara 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 10/17/2019 16:48:03
Subject: Re: [beta] GIO in the long term
 
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Victoria wrote:
I really do worry about Mark´s health.
He seriously needs to charge extra for the spate of rushed transfers; I wasn't kidding about that. He could use the money to hire some drones to do the transfers. (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 09:35 AM, Bärbel Stephenson wrote:
got told off in a group yesterday for spreading untruths...
Right. Me, too, several years ago. I eventually gave up.
 
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J wrote: The vet in my group was (and possibly is still) in their group. Maybe I’ll reach out to him.

 

I already sent a message to the owners, J.

 

I hope they will read it. There haven´t been any activities in that group for a while so I am not sure if they haven´t already found a new group, maybe facebook?

 

I don´t go near FB, so I don´t know.

 

Victoria


 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 09:50 AM, Victoria wrote:
I don´t go near FB,
Me, neither!
 
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 7:53 AM Scott Logan <ssl@...> wrote:

I am a member of one more Y!G that is considering moving to GIO. The owner is also considering Google Groups. This group has been around for nearly 20 years (almost as long as my own).

 A valid concern has been brought up about the long-term viability of GIO, as expressed below.

 Can anyone provide some insight? Maybe Mark can comment, especially as to the financial realities.


My advice has always been that if you want to see GIO stay around, then upgrade to a premium group. That's the best way to show support. That goes for any service, not just us, btw.

Thanks,
Mark 


PurplePenny
 

The first I knew about it was yesterday evening (my time) when the notice appeared on my home page, it wasn't there the day before.  I set about transferring my group as soon as I knew.

Penny

On 17/10/2019 16:48, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Victoria wrote:
I really do worry about Mark´s health.
He seriously needs to charge extra for the spate of rushed transfers; I wasn't kidding about that. He could use the money to hire some drones to do the transfers. (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

Maybe you heard about the most recent yahoo debacle only a day ago, but many of us have been warning many yahoo groups (including cats groups) for months, and in some cases years, that yahoo was on the verge of this, and urging them to move. And instead of being thanked, we have been poo-poo'd and worse. That's been frustrating.  In the face of many yahoo groups' files suddenly disappearing even starting years ago, and messages taking many hours to post or not post at all, or just disappearing, many yahoo groups members and owners have respond to suggestions to move to groups.io with "everything is fine, what do you expect from a free service, don't tell us what to do" etc. Hence my feeling that groups who have dug their heels in and refused to move shouldn't be complaining now. They had many chances to move and they resisted.

Not sure whether this applies to your group or not, but surely your group has experienced all the negative events that all the rest of yahoo groups have over the past few years.
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J

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At least you are finally moving. 🤪


On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:47 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Maybe you heard about the most recent yahoo debacle only a day ago, but many of us have been warning many yahoo groups (including cats groups) for months, and in some cases years, that yahoo was on the verge of this, and urging them to move. And instead of being thanked, we have been poo-poo'd and worse. That's been frustrating.  In the face of many yahoo groups' files suddenly disappearing even starting years ago, and messages taking many hours to post or not post at all, or just disappearing, many yahoo groups members and owners have respond to suggestions to move to groups.io with "everything is fine, what do you expect from a free service, don't tell us what to do" etc. Hence my feeling that groups who have dug their heels in and refused to move shouldn't be complaining now. They had many chances to move and they resisted.

Not sure whether this applies to your group or not, but surely your group has experienced all the negative events that all the rest of yahoo groups have over the past few years.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

I see that emoticon didn't make it through. Let me try again. 
😊 😻


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 4:03 PM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
At least you are finally moving. 🤪


On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:47 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Maybe you heard about the most recent yahoo debacle only a day ago, but many of us have been warning many yahoo groups (including cats groups) for months, and in some cases years, that yahoo was on the verge of this, and urging them to move. And instead of being thanked, we have been poo-poo'd and worse. That's been frustrating.  In the face of many yahoo groups' files suddenly disappearing even starting years ago, and messages taking many hours to post or not post at all, or just disappearing, many yahoo groups members and owners have respond to suggestions to move to groups.io with "everything is fine, what do you expect from a free service, don't tell us what to do" etc. Hence my feeling that groups who have dug their heels in and refused to move shouldn't be complaining now. They had many chances to move and they resisted.

Not sure whether this applies to your group or not, but surely your group has experienced all the negative events that all the rest of yahoo groups have over the past few years.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Bob Bellizzi
 

the only sure, long term things are Death and Taxes, to quote a fairly ancient pundit.
If you waste your time looking for "the best and longest lasting" thing, you are truly wasting your time and will never be quite satisfied.
Yahoo groups WAS a bastardization of either ecircles or egroups, which was Mark's creation.

Check to see if Google Groups operates equally well onliine as well as offline for someone who does not have a gmail address.
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Bob Bellizzi


Glenn Glazer
 

On 10/17/2019 16:50, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
the only sure, long term things are Death and Taxes, to quote a fairly ancient pundit.
If you waste your time looking for "the best and longest lasting" thing, you are truly wasting your time and will never be quite satisfied.

Indeed. I am fairly sure that groups.io will not outlast the heat death of the universe.

Best,

Glenn

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harryh89@...
 

"Usenet was around forever"  and still is around because it has minimal control.  Content in binary groups now exceeds three years and text groups even longer.  But Usenet must be navigated by special readers that few can grasp.  Forming a new group is difficult but older obsolete groups can be reused if carried by service providers.  Created before the WWW, Usenet is likely to exist but only for specialists.  


ladykrolocksrose
 

umm yahoo's been headed this direction for a while, it was just a matter of when.....  thankfully the really good groups i was in on yahoo have, for the most part, left yahoo already and come here or google groups.  but sadly, yes, there are still people that don't believe it....

Cheryl

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 9:35 AM Bärbel Stephenson <Lismibaebi@...> wrote:
I can assure you that many involved in yahoo groups for many years do not believe the news yet and are confident that yahoo will not do what they said they will...
And I actually got told off in a group yesterday for spreading untruths...
 
Barbara 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 10/17/2019 16:48:03
Subject: Re: [beta] GIO in the long term
 
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Victoria wrote:
I really do worry about Mark´s health.
He seriously needs to charge extra for the spate of rushed transfers; I wasn't kidding about that. He could use the money to hire some drones to do the transfers. (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu