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I find myself needing to find some posts by a group member, which prompted the following exchange on GMF:

Is there a simple way to pull up all the messages by a member?
Yes.

1) Find one of their messages, then select "All Posts by This Member" from the More hamburger menu.
2) If you click on their name at the top of the message, it will open their profile. The profile contains the same link.
3) You can also access their profile via the Directory, or using the "View Profile" link at the top of their record in the Members List.
That's where the Catch-22 begins. You can't find their messages until you've already *found* one of their messages, If it's a member who hasn't posted in a while, you're stuck.

Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

Alternately, would it be possible to have the option under message search to search for sender, probably including email address?

Thanks for your time, Mark. I hope you're enjoying a pleasant Sunday!

Dano


Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 06:34 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
That's where the Catch-22 begins. You can't find their messages until you've already *found* one of their messages, If it's a member who hasn't posted in a while, you're stuck.
I'm not sure why you have brought this topic to beta quite so soon. OK; I'll accept that finding a member who hasn't posted for a while does make things more difficult, but only slightly. To find any given member at random you need to know one of two things; either their Display Name or their email address, or at least part of it. If you know neither then you really are stuck, but then what would you expect?

If you know one or the other then a search of your membership list using the D/N or email address as the search term.. et voila! You have found them and can then investigate everything you need to know. If you have no information about their identity then it becomes like looking for a needle in a haystack without knowing what either a needle or a haystack looks like, and Mark won't be able to resolve that for you!

Chris.


 

That's where the Catch-22 begins. You can't find their messages until you've already *found* one of their messages, If it's a member who hasn't posted in a while, you're stuck.
I'm not sure why you have brought this topic to beta quite so soon. OK; I'll accept that finding a member who hasn't posted for a while does make things more difficult, but only slightly. To find any given member at random you need to know one of two things; either their Display Name or their email address, or at least part of it. If you know neither then you really are stuck, but then what would you expect?
Chris -
You must not look at this from your viewpoint. You need to see it from the viewpoint of the user and their needs. Those of us who have been on beta for a long time have seen that there are a lot of situations that some owners and moderators run into that others can't conceive of.

In this case know the member's email address, and yes I can find them in the member search. But I need information NOT in the member listing. I need information that might be in one of their posts, but I am unable to find one. The system just doesn't have a mechanism for such a simple thing.

Simple things don't have to be beaten to death somewhere else first. Beta is for problems that the system doesn't handle. This falls into that category.

Dano


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM, D R Stinson wrote:
I find myself needing to find some posts by a group member,
Hi Dano,

To help us (or at least me) think about this, could you clarify whether you're asking the question as a moderator/owner or as a non-mod group member?

Meanwhile, one suggestion that's occurred to me is to include the member number in each member's page. I don't know if this would provide any additional convenience - my guess is that it probably wouldn't - but it seems to be a good addition to the page, just on general principle. It's already accessible to all members via the "all posts by this member" under an existing post, and it can be used to find all messages by a member. 
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J

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Hi, J.
I'm searching as an owner. I have a member with an email address and no display name. I am unable to find a previous post.

There might be a situation where a member was searching for messages from another member and was unsure of what words to search for, but that could be handled by allowing the message search to also include partial sender emails. I'm not so concerned with other users right now as moderators' needs.

Thanks for asking questions.

Dano

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On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM, D R Stinson wrote:

I find myself needing to find some posts by a group member,
Hi Dano,

To help us (or at least me) think about this, could you clarify whether you're asking the question as a moderator/owner or as a non-mod group member?

Meanwhile, one suggestion that's occurred to me is to include the member number in each member's page. I don't know if this would provide any additional convenience - my guess is that it probably wouldn't - but it seems to be a good addition to the page, just on general principle. It's already accessible to all members via the "all posts by this member" under an existing post, and it can be used to find all messages by a member.
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J
Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 12:59 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
no display name
Ok, I'll think about this. (BTW I don't think having a display name or not has anything to do with finding posts.) 
 
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J

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BTW, by "member number" I meant "posterid." I have a feeling it could be used somehow here, but not yet sure how. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

Ok, here's my tentative suggestion: include a clickable "posterid" field in the member list that when clicked would do a message search on "posterid:xyz".
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Duane
 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 02:42 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
In this case know the member's email address, and yes I can find them in the member search.
Okay, you've found the person and are looking at their member information.  Now click on View Profile at the top, then on All Posts By This Member just below their join info.  If you hover over that link, it will give you their posterid.

I'd have told you this in GMF if you hadn't gotten so impatient.  Bruce actually did tell you, using shorthand, in #3 on his list.

Duane


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 01:32 PM, Duane wrote:
Okay, you've found the person and are looking at their member information.  Now click on View Profile at the top, then on All Posts By This Member just below their join info.  If you hover over that link, it will give you their posterid.
This is still a lot of steps, and, like Dano, I frequently find myself annoyed by the fact that this info takes so many steps to find. I think including the posterid in the member list would be a significant improvement in convenience and speed.

I'd have told you this in GMF if you hadn't gotten so impatient.
I'm not in GMF but I find no reason to chastise Dano, or anyone, for "impatience" by making a request here. I personally find the request very reasonable.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 01:32 PM, Duane wrote:
click on View Profile at the top, then on All Posts By This Member just below their join info.  If you hover over that link, it will give you their posterid.
I don't think that hovering over All Posts By This Member gives you the posterid, although it does come up if you actually click on the link to find the posts, in which case the posterid is unnecessary anyway. However, I think including the posterid explicitly somewhere easily accessible is a good idea on general principle, and I think including it in the member list would actually be helpful.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 04:38 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
This is still a lot of steps, and, like Dano, I frequently find myself annoyed by the fact that this info takes so many steps to find.
I believe Dano did not read my response carefully, believing this to be a 3-step process, when it is actually three different ways to do the same thing. 

Although I acknowledge that none are particularly convenient, I do find myself wondering if a fourth way is really necessary.

Regards,
Bruce


 

Depends what you mean by necessary. I can say that I’ve been bothered by the current inconvenience and outright awkwardness  in finding all posts by a member. So whether Dano misunderstood you or not, if this conversation results in an easy-to-implement improvement, that seems like a good thing.


On Mar 17, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 04:38 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
This is still a lot of steps, and, like Dano, I frequently find myself annoyed by the fact that this info takes so many steps to find.
I believe Dano did not read my response carefully, believing this to be a 3-step process, when it is actually three different ways to do the same thing. 

Although I acknowledge that none are particularly convenient, I do find myself wondering if a fourth way is really necessary.

Regards,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

I see the problem being that this is such an obtuse process. Why should working through things on groups.io feel like working through arcane rituals? Why is it wrong to want something simple and straightforward? I don't feel like having to work through all the degrees and memorizing all the rituals to do something that should be simple and straightforward.

Bruce - don't criticize the reader if you didn't make it clear enough to begin with. In my opinion, if things like this take more than a sentence to explain, the system isn't being terribly friendly to the lay user. I truly don't believe Mark's intent is to make things complex, but we seem to have some members who don't recognize that.

Dano

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On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 04:38 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

This is still a lot of steps, and, like Dano, I frequently find myself annoyed by the fact that this info takes so many steps to find.
I believe Dano did not read my response carefully, believing this to be a 3-step process, when it is actually three different ways to do the same thing.

Although I acknowledge that none are particularly convenient, I do find myself wondering if a fourth way is really necessary.

Regards,
Bruce


Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Does anyone really even care what the posterid is?

Isn't the point of the original request to make it easier to search on posts by a particular member? Looking up a posterid is not my idea of intuitive. I am all for adding a "search by author" by partial name or email to the Search function.

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Gerald


 

Dano,

Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a
member in the member search?
As explained in GMF, the list of postings by that member is only one step away once you've opened the member's subscription page. Or two clicks if you go by way of the member's profile.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/15620

Alternately, would it be possible to have the option under message
search to search for sender, probably including email address?
I concur with the general desire to have more tools (filters) in message search, including the ability to search on the From address or Display Name of the messages. That would benefit members and not just moderators with access to the members list.

Shal


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Would it be possible to have that search option after we select a member in the member search?

I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display (the code is the same for searching or viewing all members). Would this additional link (or clutter to some) be worthwhile?

UI Question:
- Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?

Thanks,
Mark 


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 07:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I think this would be solved if I added a link to view all posts by a member in each line of the member display
Yes! That's in essence what I was suggesting before, by suggesting adding a clickable link to the posterid in the member list. I think using the posterid for that field/link might be the most intuitive (and provide the greatest value, in case anyone wanted to make note of the id), but of course anything would work.

This would be extremely useful. Searching for all of a member's posts is something that I, and no doubt many other, owners/mods do very very often. Being able to go directly to it for any member, directly from the member list, would be very valuable.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 06:50 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Does anyone really even care what the posterid is?

Isn't the point of the original request to make it easier to search on posts by a particular member? Looking up a posterid is not my idea of intuitive. I am all for adding a "search by author" by partial name or email to the Search function.
Nobody cares much, but if used in the member display, (a) you would not HAVE to look it up, and (b) you COULD make note of it for any given member if you wanted to. For example, I've listed the posterid of the vet specialist in our group in one of our wiki pages, so that people can easily look up any of his posts.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


 

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 07:28 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Where should this link go? In the email column, after any badges?
If there's room, I think a separate "posterid" column would be great. But no strong feelings about this one way or the other about where it should go, as long as it's in the member list.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu