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(Moving to a new thread...) Here are the current delivery options: - All Email - First Message Only - Replies Only - Special Notices Only - No Email You can select one of the above, and that decides which messages you receive. Muting/following threads/hashtags are separate. If you're set to All Email, you can mute threads and you'll never see those. Or if you're set to First Message Only or Replies Only, if you follow a thread, you *will* see all those messages. The Daily Digest is a checkbox, and is separate from the delivery options. What the digest does is collect any emails you would have been sent, and combines them into one message at night (or every 25 messages, whichever comes first). Say you're on digest. If you're set to All Email and mute a thread, you will not see that thread in your digest. If you're on digest and Replies Only, you'll only see messages in threads you participate in and any other threads that you specifically follow. Digests are customized and different for every person, unlike Y! Groups. Special Notices are, well, special, in that they are sent immediately and not included in any digests. Hope this explains things. I know it's a bit confusing, especially since with All Email, you end up muting things you don't want, but with First Message/Replies Only, you end up following things you do want (exclude versus include). These are a lot of options. Any suggestions for how to make things more clear, or better organized, would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:02 PM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote: On 1/17/2015 1:14 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
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On 1/17/2015 4:23 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If you're set to All Email and mute a thread, you will not see thatI'm still not clear on how the Hashtag/Topics will work. If you opt out of any messages with a specific hashtag, but it also has hashtags you *are* following, you should get the message/thread, right? (that's the way LSoft does it) Will that also be true of digest - any messages that only have the undesired hashtag/topic should be left out of the digest - but if the message has a tag/topic that you do want as well as the unwanted one, it should show up in the digest. (apologies to any of you who have only dealt with Yahoo and Google Groups - I've worked with several list server programs, and can see that with the use of the hashtag, Groups.io can have a functionality that is only available on a very expensive server - LSoft. This functionality is probably the only thing that has kept LSoft alive - I'm not sure how much of what it does is configured by the SysAdmin, and how much is built in - but on the cat list that I am most familiar with, it only keeps 3 months of archived messages, and it is purely a mailing list - no options for photos, files, etc. Those have to be kept in some other location - and a lot of folks gravitated to Yahoo because they did keep everything in one place. So if Mark can add that one bit of functionality that LSoft has now, with functionality Yahoo *should* have, and the features it does, or did, have - I can see a lot of folks jumping on board. Our list has a "let's move to Yahoo" discussion about once a year). dg
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Reply on a second thought -
I think you are still mixing two separate concepts - *what* you see, and *how* you see it. These are *what* you see: - All EmailBut this is a *how* you see it: - No EmailIMO - Individual Messages, Digest, and No Email go together. All Messages, First Message, Replies Only, <hashtag options>, Special Notices Only are *what* you see. Muting or Following a thread are added functionality in the *what* area. Only place I'm still torn is the NoMail/Special Notice thing. Myself - I would want to have people see them if the group is going to be down (one of my mailing list servers is moving from California to Oregon next week, so I need to make sure the mirror group on Google has all the current addresses and settings), or something like that - but if they really aren't reading that mail - it's moot anyway, they'll just have to find that out when they can't even get into the web group. dg
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Mark,
Here are the current delivery options:In another thread, dg raises a good point: I would think that back to what I'd said before - there are deliveryPerhaps refactoring it a bit could make it easier to understand. See if you think this makes any more sense of things: Email Delivery o Individual Messages o Daily digest - Group messages together as one email instead of individually. o Special Notices Only - Only Special notices from the moderators are emailed to you. o No Email - You will receive no emails. Message Selection o All Messages - Every message is emailed to you according to your Email Delivery selection, except threads or hashtags you've muted. o Following Only - Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed to you, except threads you've muted. (Special notices from the moderators are followed). |_| First Message Also - The first message of every thread is also emailed to you, except for hashtags you've muted. |_| Follow Replies - You automatically follow any threads you start or reply in. ("First Message" is intended to be indented, an option to "Following Only". "Follow Replies" applies regardless of the Message selection.) This refactoring loses the case of getting messages from threads you start, but not threads you replied in (as in the current "First Message Only" option), but I think that's probably not a loss anyone will miss. Making the "Follow Replies" a separate option means that it is useful even for those who prefer to read and post messages via web (using the "Followed Threads" lists on the web site). I think thread following or muting threads should take precedence over hashtags. That is implied above but not explicitly stated. Special Notices are, well, special, in that they are sent immediatelyI think they should probably be included in the digests, as well as the archives. Belts and suspenders, I know, but it could matter depending on filters the member may have set up in their email. Also, I think fewer special cases are better. -- Shal
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Judy F.
Shal, I agree with your recommendations, at least until someone comes along
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and confuses me again. LOL I keep going back in my mind to those members that are very senior and barely know how to turn on a computer, let alone understand hashtags (I had to look it up and I'm not that senior yet). I think it's great having all of these options to try to suit a large number of the various groups, but let's not forget those people that are not that knowledgeable and also those that are physically or mentally challenged in one way or the other. Things need to be easy and not confusing. We all keep talking about ease of use, some of us have never used another group except Yahoo, me for one. I have said this before, but will say it again, I think this new group is great and I feel sure it will be a success. Mark has taken on quite a task and it's amazing how he is updating things as we go. Thanks. Judy F., SW Florida - USA
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 8:12 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Delivery Options Mark, Here are the current delivery options:In another thread, dg raises a good point: I would think that back to what I'd said before - there are deliveryPerhaps refactoring it a bit could make it easier to understand. See if you think this makes any more sense of things: Email Delivery o Individual Messages o Daily digest - Group messages together as one email instead of individually. o Special Notices Only - Only Special notices from the moderators are emailed to you. o No Email - You will receive no emails. Message Selection o All Messages - Every message is emailed to you according to your Email Delivery selection, except threads or hashtags you've muted. o Following Only - Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed to you, except threads you've muted. (Special notices from the moderators are followed). |_| First Message Also - The first message of every thread is also emailed to you, except for hashtags you've muted. |_| Follow Replies - You automatically follow any threads you start or reply in. ("First Message" is intended to be indented, an option to "Following Only". "Follow Replies" applies regardless of the Message selection.) This refactoring loses the case of getting messages from threads you start, but not threads you replied in (as in the current "First Message Only" option), but I think that's probably not a loss anyone will miss. Making the "Follow Replies" a separate option means that it is useful even for those who prefer to read and post messages via web (using the "Followed Threads" lists on the web site). I think thread following or muting threads should take precedence over hashtags. That is implied above but not explicitly stated. Special Notices are, well, special, in that they are sent immediatelyI think they should probably be included in the digests, as well as the archives. Belts and suspenders, I know, but it could matter depending on filters the member may have set up in their email. Also, I think fewer special cases are better. -- Shal
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Judy F.,
I keep going back in my mind to those members that are very senior andI think - hope - that separating the Message Selection options from the Email Delivery options will make it easier for them as well. It should be possible for them to select the Email Delivery option they want and ignore the Message Selection features they don't need or wish to understand. If All Messages is the default Message Selection then the Delivery Options work just like Yahoo Groups. -- Shal
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Judy F.
I agree Shal and knowing Mark, if it can be done he will do it. Just
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separating them and adding the different wording makes all the difference. Judy F. SW Florida - USA
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:44 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: RE: [beta] Delivery Options Judy F., I keep going back in my mind to those members that are very senior andI think - hope - that separating the Message Selection options from the Email Delivery options will make it easier for them as well. It should be possible for them to select the Email Delivery option they want and ignore the Message Selection features they don't need or wish to understand. If All Messages is the default Message Selection then the Delivery Options work just like Yahoo Groups. -- Shal
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On 1/17/2015 6:43 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I think - hope - that separating the Message Selection options from the Email Delivery options will make it easier for them as well.I am more than overwhelmed that Shal and I had the same basic vision of this. 8-) dg
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One of the members on one of my groups had a problem this morning. He has selected "No email", and I've verified the setting, but he's still getting all messages. I would suspect that while Mark was making changes to the delivery options concerning Special Notices that a bug may have crept in. BTW, I don't have this problem on my account. I'll check with him again to see if it's still happening. Duane
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