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Hi Victoria,

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 09:58 am, Victoria Caesar wrote:
I run the German speaking canine and feline Cushings Yg.
I am familiar with the English-speaking CanineCushingAutoimmuneDisease yahoo group and it is excellent. The same specialist vet who contributes to my group on feline small cell lymphoma also participates in that group. Are you familiar with it? A couple of years ago I tried to get them to move to groups.io but they were uninterested. Since your group includes cats, after you move to groups.io it would be good for your group and mine to connect with each other. (Isn't this rare in cats? We can talk about it offlist.)

 always add a pdf with group guidelines which they must accept as well. 
In groups.io there's an option to make your group guidelines publicly accessible on the home page, so that prospective members can see them.

I was on facebook from 2010 to 2014, and I really got fed up with it, for I like serious and sustainable communication.
Exactly. (I actually never even considered Facebook, mainly because of its intrusive privacy policies, or lack thereof.)

So I am really hoping our genius Mark will find some time eventually to find a possibility to provide this sort of indiviually filled questionnaire
I have complete faith in Mark. :) Good luck with your group!
 
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Hi, J_Catlady,

 

I´ve seen you are the owner of a catgroup with amedical issue. I run the German speaking canine and feline Cushings Yg. We exist since 2006 and every week we get new members with quite sick animals. We likewise do not want to have spammers and food vendors or other commercially interested folks, and we need to have a good and friendly atmosphere for the pet owners who are often quite worried (I´m sure you know what I´m talking about).

 

Yahoo used to send out an automatic questionaire which we could text to our own gusto until 2014, but since then this possibility has vanished. So I made up my own qu. and it is well accepted by prospective members. I always add a pdf with group guidelines which they must accept as well. The questionnaire even asks for name, telephone numer and address and for a little text about the animal in question. So we know exactly who that person is.

 

Since about 2010 facebook with its easy going communication is on the market with thousands of groups, but our prospective members obviously prefer a professional serious minded group to facebook, and they do not bicker about the complicated entrance methods.

 

I was on facebook from 2010 to 2014, and I really got fed up with it, for I like serious and sustainable communication.

 

So I am really hoping our genius Mark will find some time eventually to find a possibility to provide this sort of indiviually filled questionnaire and hopefully also do that language job (which I believe isn´t easy). That’s what I want to contribute to this question.

 

Thanks for all your thoughts and work. I´d be so glad to move to groups.io since we have absolute treasures in our files and hope Yahoo will hold for a little while longer so they won´t get lost.

 

Regards from Cologne, Germany

Victoria


 

p.s. I mention Facebook for comparison instead of Y!G because Y!G is no longer even on my radar. Some large percentage of Y!G groups seem to have moved to Facebook.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
But be careful, because for at least two of us, the pending notice sometimes goes into a black hole. If I get no response within our required two days, I always contact the person first via an outside (still anonymous) email address, repeating basically the same information and asking them to check their spam, etc. Some nontrivial percentage of the time, the person then responds immediately, saying the email was nowhere to be found (including spam) and answering our questions right away. 

Also, I think that having to return an email questionnaire puts our groups.io groups at a disadvantage with Facebook groups. I would never use a FB group to save my soul, except, as I am doing now, to have a search presence there and point people to our groups.io group. Yet, it is very easy for people to join there by answering the questions in real-time. They don't have to "watch their email inbox (including spam) for a questionnaire!" as we are now routinely warning people to do after clicking on "join." In fact, it's the top message, in all caps, on our home page now because of this issue. Even if they do get the questionnaire, it's something of a disincentive to some otherwise-legitimate would-be members.

Mark has it on the todo list to implement a really nice web-based questionnaire whose answers go directly into some sort of database (the latter possibly just for premium groups). But meanwhile, I think we need something simple as soon as possible. This is a near-daily question/complaint/plea on GMF and there have been several threads about it here, both in general and in response to that.
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


 

But be careful, because for at least two of us, the pending notice sometimes goes into a black hole. If I get no response within our required two days, I always contact the person first via an outside (still anonymous) email address, repeating basically the same information and asking them to check their spam, etc. Some nontrivial percentage of the time, the person then responds immediately, saying the email was nowhere to be found (including spam) and answering our questions right away. 

Also, I think that having to return an email questionnaire puts our groups.io groups at a disadvantage with Facebook groups. I would never use a FB group to save my soul, except, as I am doing now, to have a search presence there and point people to our groups.io group. Yet, it is very easy for people to join there by answering the questions in real-time. They don't have to "watch their email inbox (including spam) for a questionnaire!" as we are now routinely warning people to do after clicking on "join." In fact, it's the top message, in all caps, on our home page now because of this issue. Even if they do get the questionnaire, it's something of a disincentive to some otherwise-legitimate would-be members.

Mark has it on the todo list to implement a really nice web-based questionnaire whose answers go directly into some sort of database (the latter possibly just for premium groups). But meanwhile, I think we need something simple as soon as possible. This is a near-daily question/complaint/plea on GMF and there have been several threads about it here, both in general and in response to that.
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Philip Wormald <pwormald@...>
 

Thanks guys, that was well hidden to a newbie! OK, all set up and ready now! Thanks for your help :)


 

That's what I do. Here's my Pending Subscription notice:

"Dear Prospective Member,
Thank you for your interest in the <GroupName> group.
Groups such as <GroupName> occasionally suffer from individuals who join groups to harvest email addresses and "spam" the membership. So before your application is approved, would you please tell us a little more about your involvement with <GroupSubject>? Just a few lines will do, such as where you live, your name, your aspirations regarding <GroupSubject>or the names of any <GroupName> members you might know. If your email address is cryptic, please provide your proper name, not a pseudonym or business name - anonymous applicants will not be approved.
We're sorry for the extra step, but we trust you'll understand that we simply have our members' interests at heart.
Please send your reply to <GroupName>+owner@groups.io
If you do not reply then you are clearly not very interested in our group and your application is likely to be rejected.
regards,
The Owner and Moderators of the <GroupName> group."

If I get no reply within a day or two, I reject the applicant.

On 18 February 2018 at 16:11, Ginny T. <gttemari21@...> wrote:
There is a way around this, Philip -
Set up a Pending Subscription in Member Notices. This would be sent by the system immediately upon there being a request to join. I use the owners email as the email to have the person respond to, so as to not dangle a personal email out there. Our message asks them to provide their name, why they would like to join, and that they have 72 hours to reply to the note otherwise their request will be declined.
Get a reply, then bring them in. Don't get a reply - POOF.
Ginny

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 06:59 am, Philip Wormald wrote:
Ideally I'd like a stage where they HAVE to enter a reason for joining, or approval process won't allow them to proceed or join. It would save a great deal of hassle and work at our end...

 
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On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 07:11 am, Ginny T. wrote:
I use the owners email as the email to have the person respond to,
You don't need to provide the owner email address for them to respond to. If they simply reply to the system-generated email, their reply goes to the +owner address anyway.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

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Ginny T.
 

There is a way around this, Philip -
Set up a Pending Subscription in Member Notices. This would be sent by the system immediately upon there being a request to join. I use the owners email as the email to have the person respond to, so as to not dangle a personal email out there. Our message asks them to provide their name, why they would like to join, and that they have 72 hours to reply to the note otherwise their request will be declined.
Get a reply, then bring them in. Don't get a reply - POOF.
Ginny


On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 06:59 am, Philip Wormald wrote:
Ideally I'd like a stage where they HAVE to enter a reason for joining, or approval process won't allow them to proceed or join. It would save a great deal of hassle and work at our end...

 
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Philip Wormald <pwormald@...>
 

As with quite a few others moving from Yahoo the one big thing missing is when new subscribers want to our our groups on IO (which we highly recommend) there is no option to allow them to tell us why they want to join. Ideally I'd like a stage where they HAVE to enter a reason for joining, or approval process won't allow them to proceed or join. It would save a great deal of hassle and work at our end... And I'm sure would be a very welcome addition... Thanks