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locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:48 pm, J_catlady wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

someone has to be the cultural arbiter to get the culture established.

Which is impossible if the feature currently blasts the word "Optional" at the user, the box is at the very bottom, etc. Remember my group member who left in a huff, claiming that I "couldn't" make it required and the word "optional" proved it? 

 J,

            We're just going to have to disagree here.   What Groups.io implements a function as being has nothing to do with what a moderator or moderators can and must require to establish a cultural context.   If you want people to include reason for edit you must do two things:

1.  Reject any and all edits for individuals still being actively moderated that do not include it.

2.  If there are individuals not actively moderated, watch for edited posts and if there is no reason send them a moderator message that one needs to be added (and if you want to get extreme "or the post will be removed.")

There are times where strong moderation is a must.  Establishing the cultural requirements for any new group, or new cultural requirement that the moderator(s) agree upon, are two of those times.


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Brian

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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:29 am, Feathered Leader wrote:
Excuse me, but I agree with Shal here, you are being unnecessarily hurtful here.

 Brenda,

            You have elected to jump in to a number of old threads, clearly without taking the time to read what was in them up to that point.

            That is definitely your issue, not mine.    And that shows a clear lack of sophistication in use.  Your reply here has nothing to do with the context in which that quote was made, and is a complete non sequitur.
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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Maria
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:15 am, Feathered Leader wrote:
If I didn't have the message numbers, I'd have a horrid time following and reading in here. I read, on the site, write down the message numbers, and then later, enter the message number to reply.

 This thread may be dated, but I don't think (hope) message numbers are going anywhere. There is a field to search for them in the new search box (#newtestversion/ #newmobile). They are very useful. Our archivist uses them often for reference purposes.

Separately, I couldn't help but notice one of ways you described using them. I'm curious what you would think of the idea presented in message #10017 as it's one of the scenarios I described.

Maria




locked Re: Wish List/Feature Request: Change how subgroups are presented

Nightowl >8#
 

Duane wrote:>>This would need to be an owner/moderator setting, if added. Some subgroups are intended for the use for a specific group of folks, such as board or committee members, and not all general members.<<

Exactly. And some subgroups aren't created to have traffic, such as my two groups where I made the old Yahoo Archive the subgroup. Those subgroups are only for viewing and retrieving information, not adding anything to it. I wouldn't want anything changed about their presentation, so hopefully if anything is, it will be optional.

Brenda


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

JohnF wrote:>>Just a note that I frequently use the message number box in Messages and Expanded Messages view to mean "Start the list with this message number," not "Search for this message number." There needs to continue to be a way to do that.<<

Same here. When I started catching up in here today, I needed to be able to type Message #7829 in that box and start reading from there. It's essentially the same as a search, but used for a different reason.

I do not want the message number box to merge anywhere, or change in any manner, as I said, I depend on it to use the site.

Brenda


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal Farley wrote:>>So the question is whether that would work as well for you and everyone else as having a separate search box for message number search?<<
I myself, would not want the message number box removed. I use it all the time, everytime I'm on here. If it were merged with the search box, I would have extreme difficulty using it, because on my desktop computer, the search box is "hidden" due to my resolution.

So please, keep the message number box where it is, and how it is. I literally rely on it.

Brenda


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian wrote:>>I have never said that message numbers or message number searches should go away.The only way any user becomes more sophisticated is to learn and to observe how more sophisticated users actually do things. Those who absolutely refuse to do so, and they do exist, will get dismissal from me because that's what willful ignorance deserves.<<

Excuse me, but I agree with Shal here, you are being unnecessarily hurtful here.

I am quite sophisticated, very computer literate, and even use things like DOS and VI. But it is my choice to read groups on any site, by writing the message numbers down as I read, and then going back in to use them to reply.

So I would appreciate it if you would not imply that I'm ignorant because of how I choose to use the site.

Thank you,

Brenda


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian wrote:>>I doubt that there are many users who do not use message view who even know that message numbers exist. They're a weirdness as far as I'm concerned, and when I've seen reference to them in the past my reaction was, "What's that? Why not just provide the click through link."<<

Weirdness?? I hope you mean the message numbers, and not those who use them. ;)

If I didn't have the message numbers, I'd have a horrid time following and reading in here. I read, on the site, write down the message numbers, and then later, enter the message number to reply.

Sometimes I'll reply without writing a number, right then, but most of the time I don't.

And on the Yahoo group, there were a lot of others who found them important. To me, the message numbers are one of the most important features on here, I couldn't do anything as easily without them.

And like Shal, if I can't find it somehow, I look in the view source header to get it.

Brenda


locked Re: Proposal: New Reply To option

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>(Whew, dodged a bullet: autocorrect tried to give me "Antonymous Group". The mind boggles at what that might have done. It must be late.)<<

I hear you there. I've been reading in here since post # 7829 all evening, night and now into the wee hours of the morning....it's 3:23 a.m. St.Louis time. But I got really concerned when I discovered my main domain e-mail address I use in here was listed in a Google search. Since that point I've been unable to stop reading, but I really need to get to bed too soon, because it's still a long way from reaching the top message.

Brenda


locked Hidden e-mail truncation in ellipses when clicked

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

When I checked out catlady's reply to me in message #10022, and click on the three dots ellipses, I still see my fig-leafed e-mail address. Is this something else to check, when the e-mail is ellipsed, does that show? It shows both Feathered Leader, and the truncated e-mail, and I would like it only to show Feathered Leader.

And this isn't something you missed, I just posted this tonight.

Please check it out, thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: private archives

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>And I'll simply reiterate that there is no good reason to make anyone believe that the conditions that were prevailing when they joined will necessarily be the same that prevail "in perpetuity."<<

I completely disagree here. If a group is labelled private, there is no reason whatsoever for a user to expect it would ever become public. That would be a huge unethical situation.

Yahoo had the same problems, and one was more serious than the other. First, a freecyle group went public by accident and everyone's personal information was posted. Let's just say, they scrambled to cover their u-know-what on that one.

But worse yet, another Yahoo group went public, this one was for abused women. It was a forum used to help women seeking to leave her abuser and get them help and resources. When it was accidentally made public by NEO, people's lives were in danger, and the group sued Yahoo, if I remember correctly. If I am not remembering correctly, I do know Yahoo was in big trouble for it.

Despite the fact that Yahoo was the fault, in that case, if some rogue moderator got the notion to get back at the group, they could conceivably reverse it and put people in danger. I say keep it irreversible, and if they need a public group at some point, make another one.'

But never, never give someone the opportunity to suddenly reverse a group setting to expose "private" information.

Never.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

 

But again. It's top posted and the email address in that situation is hidden within ellipses.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:28 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Shal wrote:>>But I tend not to use the web interface much and I hadn't really noticed until now that the "Insert Quoted Message" button in the web Reply feature inserts the usual quote heading, but with the email address spelled out in full.<<

Exactly. And since I post almost exclusively from the website, that's how the e-mail address I use in here on my main domain got into a Google search. That is the only place is appears, is being quoted on here.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda


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J

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locked Re: Email Hide And Seek Final

Nightowl >8#
 

Here is what concerns me about profile name:

"Your short profile name. Must be unique, with no punctuation or spaces. If you set a profile name, your profile becomes public; people will be able to view your profile at groups.io/profile/profilename."

This is what appears in the Profile tab.

I have not, to my knowledge, set a profile name, but featheredleader is in the box for the profile name.

I'm fine with featheredleader being my shortened name to use, but I am not fine with my profile becoming public.

Please explain this to me, thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: Email Hide And Seek Final

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

Can we request that you use a handle or name but not have to have a profile set up?

I want to make sure my e-mail address is altered.

Brenda


locked Re: Email Hide And Seek Final

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>Did I miss anything? Speak now or, umm, speak later. :-)<<

Sorry I'm speaking so much later, but I think this is a good idea. It will protect e-mail addresses from being quoted in full, or sent out in full when the user doesn't want them to be.

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: "FROM" header in digest and "insert quote" displays full email address

Nightowl >8#
 

Maria wrote:>>2- The "insert quote" button via web carries over the entire email address of the OP. This relates to our prior thread but perhaps can have separate behavior and just insert the user's profile name?<<

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>Done.<<

Thank you Mark! This would have prevented my non-public main domain e-mail address used on here from getting out on Google. Hopefully I won't have any problems with it, but it''s nice to know that now it would be protected if I changed it.

Brenda


locked Re: Feature Request - Direct to Messages/Calendar/Photo Page for "Your Groups"

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>It would be nice to have the visual representation of the group you are in echoed in each page so you feel you are in a the specific environment you want to be. <<

I completely agree, even a thumbnail photo of the one from your Home page would be helpful in knowing exactly which group we are in. They all look alike at this point. I'm praying and hoping some day Mark might allow us to customize the interfaces with color and photos like Classic Groups did, so that each group is unique at first sight and there's no mix ups.

Brenda


locked Re: "FROM" header in digest and "insert quote" displays full email address

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>> The other side of that is that many of us have built successful, safe, and
effective communities by using products like Y! and other similar services.<<
Exactly. And once upon a time, Yahoo Classic Groups were the best thing around. Then they destroyed it. We don't want Groups.io to be anything like the new "improved" Yahoo, (Which was anything but), we want it to be like the old Yahoo, when it actually worked and was the best thing around.

Groups.io is definitely better, and more improved than even the old Yahoo. But I agree with Maria, people want an easy transition to a new platform, and familiarity always helps.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>But I tend not to use the web interface much and I hadn't really noticed until now that the "Insert Quoted Message" button in the web Reply feature inserts the usual quote heading, but with the email address spelled out in full.<<

Exactly. And since I post almost exclusively from the website, that's how the e-mail address I use in here on my main domain got into a Google search. That is the only place is appears, is being quoted on here.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

 

We're revisiting a discussion long since past, and for which Mark has said he's made a decision on, but why not. I'm game. So do fig leafing only in public-archive groups. The troublemakers from your past can't get your email address from a private group unless they're in it - even from the archives. Or fig leaf only email addresses that occur as part of a quoted message header. I doubt even that's necessary because of the ellipses currently employed in top posts. These troublemakers would have to go to a whole lot of trouble, going through all the ellipses in the archives.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:03 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

J wrote:>>Since I now understand the "quoting" issue, perhaps it's possible for the system to automatically mask only those email addresses that appear as part of a quoted message header. (But again: they still appear in emails, so what's really the point...)<<

The point is that an e-mail address that I didn't want out there in the public, got out there in the public because it was Quoted in it's entirety by posts in here in Beta.

The troublemakers in my past are not in my group, nor would they ever be allowed into it, so e-mail showing the full address isn't a problem. BUT, they could get the e-mail off of here and start harassing me again.

That is what is completely unacceptable for me.

Brenda


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