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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>This thread may be dated, but I don't think (hope) message numbers are going anywhere. There is a field to search for them in the new search box (#newtest version/ #newmobile). They are very useful. Our archivist uses them often for reference purposes.<<

I'm glad to hear that. I don't use mobile, but I was concerned when it was discussed about merging them into the search box on regular computers, because my resolution doesn't show my search box, only my message number box, so I would have to click into it every time to use it, which would be very very annoying.

I want them to stay as a message # box, and not merge with the search, and having the message #box was my number one request when we first started, so I'm holding to that.

Maria wrote:>>Separately, I couldn't help but notice one of ways you described using them. I'm curious what you would think of the idea presented in message #10017 as it's one of the scenarios I described.<<

I'm not quite up to message #10017 yet, but since I'm checking in on more recent messages to to see if I needed to handle anything about the things I replied to last night, I'll check it out in a few minutes. :)

Brenda


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

 

Brenda,
My message does quote you quoting Shal.:-)

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On Jul 14, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:37 pm, J_catlady wrote:>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:13 pm, Feathered Leader wrote: Shal wrote:>>TThe simpler, but perhaps more painful, solution is to just live through the learning curve as members learn not to make unnecessary edits. Shal, he also wrote this, and I agree: I've no problem with making the field mandatory.<<

Actually, I never wrote that, I quoted Shal, and I don't see what my response was to the quote in this post...but I can look back and see if I can find it. I know though, I didn't write what is above, I quoted it and replied to it somewhere. :)

Brenda


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locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>But again. It's top posted and the email address in that situation is hidden within ellipses.<<

Ellipses would not stop one of the particular troublemakers, believe me. That person is very very computer savvy, and has caused a great deal of grief in other groups of mine as well as groups I've been in. So I'm still glad that Mark is hiding the e-mail addresses, and would hope they are hid within the ellipses quotes as well.

I have had to track IP addresses in the past to catch this person when they get into groups I'm in and cause problems, and I have a list of screen names and IP addresses two pages long. So I'm always watching out for any group I'm in to prevent problems.

I'm relieved that the fig-leafed e-mail address is being replaced with the display name.
Thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>We're revisiting a discussion long since past, and for which Mark has said he's made a decision on, but why not. I'm game.<<

I agree, but I did read every message in order up to the point I replied, and discovering that the quoting of e-mail addresses made one of my main domain e-mails public, really disturbed me. So I needed to point that out.

This isn't a private group, and anyone could have gotten it from here. fortunately, nothing has happened yet, and thankfully, Mark has changed it to no longer include entire e-mail addresses, so maybe it won't.

I just needed to explain there are more reasons to hide e-mail addresses than just spammers, sometimes there is a need to protect them from other things. And some of these troublemakers are VERY computer savvy, and have harassed other groups I've been in, in the past. So I'm trying to protect Mark's group from that sort of thing as best as I can. :)

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Nightowl >8#
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:37 pm, J_catlady wrote:>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:13 pm, Feathered Leader wrote: Shal wrote:>>TThe simpler, but perhaps more painful, solution is to just live through the learning curve as members learn not to make unnecessary edits. Shal, he also wrote this, and I agree: I've no problem with making the field mandatory.<<

Actually, I never wrote that, I quoted Shal, and I don't see what my response was to the quote in this post...but I can look back and see if I can find it. I know though, I didn't write what is above, I quoted it and replied to it somewhere. :)

Brenda


locked Re: MORE New problems with edit function in test version on web

 

In my case, I try to send out a monthly copy-paste of the group guidelines file (because there is still no scheduling of files except for sending links or manageable snippets of text via the calendar). The formatting is all crazy by the time it gets to the approval queue. Line spacing is insane and all other formatting is gone or gone whacko.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Jennifer Christian <jhchristian@...> wrote:

I just tried to edit a message sent by a member of my WFDRoundtable.  She had included a list that had originally been bulleted or numbered -- an indented list of phrases.  But no punctuation marks (bullets or numbers) were showing.  So I highlighted the list and clicked on the button that is supposed to insert bullets.  It inserted second order bullets (open ones).  I wondered why, went to the top and discovered the top level portion of the message now began with a bullet.  So I tried to undo my edit.  The entire list of items DISAPPEARED entirely -- all the text was gone. I could have easily missed it -- but happened to notice it.  So I canceled out and started over.   Hand-entered hyphens to create fake bullets.

Mark, please do correct these editing problems.

Jennifer



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locked Re: MORE New problems with edit function in test version on web

Jennifer Christian
 

I just tried to edit a message sent by a member of my WFDRoundtable.  She had included a list that had originally been bulleted or numbered -- an indented list of phrases.  But no punctuation marks (bullets or numbers) were showing.  So I highlighted the list and clicked on the button that is supposed to insert bullets.  It inserted second order bullets (open ones).  I wondered why, went to the top and discovered the top level portion of the message now began with a bullet.  So I tried to undo my edit.  The entire list of items DISAPPEARED entirely -- all the text was gone. I could have easily missed it -- but happened to notice it.  So I canceled out and started over.   Hand-entered hyphens to create fake bullets.

Mark, please do correct these editing problems.

Jennifer


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 09:43 am, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
One can always have the same effect as you are asking for by simply composing the message and waiting a few minutes prior to proofing it, deciding if I really wish to send what I wrote and then posting it.  We have all had many occasions when we wished we exercised more self control and didn't blast back to others.

 Of course, in an ideal world, everyone would do as you say.  As a general rule I do this pretty consistently.  That being said, I cannot count the number of times that a typo or similar jumps out, almost screaming, the moment that the send button is hit.  Also, having been around the block enough to have amassed enough miles to go to the sun and back, I know full well that what might occur in an ideal world does not occur in the real world.

This feature is not going to be implemented.   It has been implemented in other venues to great success.  This issue has long since been settled.

Lecturing me as though I were a child, had not given these issues lots of thought, and don't have decades of experience in this realm is just plain rude.  You don't have to agree with me.  There have been plenty of threads where people have agreed to disagree, including me.  Don't condescend as it's utterly unnecessary.

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locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Bob Bellizzi
 

Brian,

One can always have the same effect as you are asking for by simply composing the message and waiting a few minutes prior to proofing it, deciding if I really wish to send what I wrote and then posting it.  We have all had many occasions when we wished we exercised more self control and didn't blast back to others.

What you are asking for is within you own power of self control and doesn't need a robotic censor.

Our members are not all the brightest bulbs in the chandelier when it comes to Internet but we pretty well have them trained to think before posting, "do I really want to send this without any changes?"

I've thought about this and actually rewrote it quite a bit, more than once, to try to get my point across.

Bob

Newbie to Beta, Yahoo groups founder since 2000 (Ecircles > Egroups > Yahoo Groups > GroupsIO)



locked Re: Features Request - "Report" feature and "Ignore user" feature #suggestion

 

There's also the visibility issue. On some forums blocking a member makes your profile  invisible to them without making their profile invisible to you. On other forums it does both, which makes things really complicated in some situations.

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On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:36 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

I think the suggestion to add a "report" was included with the recent discussion of reply options and the more menu.

The suggestion to mute a user is already on the trello list. See message #7249.

I've been on forums where you can mute users and see the advantage.

I would prefer however, if when this is considered further, if it were an option for a group admin to opt in/out of. I'd opt out for our groups.

I have seen confusion arise from this feature in web forums. When someone has put someone else on mute, yet participates in a thread where that person does too, and then the replies start not making sense and it becomes obvious to everyone who has put who on mute - and instead of being a helpful tool, it ends up being used as a weapon of sorts.

So, great for some forums/groups - not great for others.

Maria



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locked Re: Features Request - "Report" feature and "Ignore user" feature #suggestion

Maria
 

I think the suggestion to add a "report" was included with the recent discussion of reply options and the more menu.

The suggestion to mute a user is already on the trello list. See message #7249.

I've been on forums where you can mute users and see the advantage.

I would prefer however, if when this is considered further, if it were an option for a group admin to opt in/out of. I'd opt out for our groups.

I have seen confusion arise from this feature in web forums. When someone has put someone else on mute, yet participates in a thread where that person does too, and then the replies start not making sense and it becomes obvious to everyone who has put who on mute - and instead of being a helpful tool, it ends up being used as a weapon of sorts.

So, great for some forums/groups - not great for others.

Maria



locked Re: Features Request - "Report" feature and "Ignore user" feature #suggestion

 

While we're at it, if we're in kitchen-sink feature mode what about friending? 

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On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:32 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I like both of those. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I've now been witness to my first ugly flame war on a groups.io group, and that has pointed out, in my eyes, the need for both of these features.

If one is reading an attack/flame post that is completely inappropriate and violates group rules and basic civility there should be a "Report" link or button somewhere beneath each message that would allow you to bring it to the immediate attention of the group's owner and moderation team.

Having an "Ignore User" feature, much like a "Mute this thread" feature but that serves as a "Mute this user in threads I view" feature would be invaluable as well.
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locked Re: Features Request - "Report" feature and "Ignore user" feature #suggestion

 

I like both of those. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I've now been witness to my first ugly flame war on a groups.io group, and that has pointed out, in my eyes, the need for both of these features.

If one is reading an attack/flame post that is completely inappropriate and violates group rules and basic civility there should be a "Report" link or button somewhere beneath each message that would allow you to bring it to the immediate attention of the group's owner and moderation team.

Having an "Ignore User" feature, much like a "Mute this thread" feature but that serves as a "Mute this user in threads I view" feature would be invaluable as well.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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locked Features Request - "Report" feature and "Ignore user" feature #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I've now been witness to my first ugly flame war on a groups.io group, and that has pointed out, in my eyes, the need for both of these features.

If one is reading an attack/flame post that is completely inappropriate and violates group rules and basic civility there should be a "Report" link or button somewhere beneath each message that would allow you to bring it to the immediate attention of the group's owner and moderation team.

Having an "Ignore User" feature, much like a "Mute this thread" feature but that serves as a "Mute this user in threads I view" feature would be invaluable as well.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Question: When new version goes live

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

Mark,

Will you be providing a list/description of the changes taking place when you have the new version go public/live?  I would really like to give my members a good idea of the changes you made.  I, myself, have lost track of the things that have changed regarding searching and other features.  Giving us something to share with our members would be very helpful.


Janice B

AZ


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

         I actually have no idea if this group is moderated or not.  Most of the other groups I'm on are moderated as a formality when new users sign up just to make sure they're not spammers, flame-baiters, etc., but after that they are taken off moderation and not looked at again unless someone sends a message to the group owner that something might need to be squelched.

         Essentially, we're pretty much of the same mind about how to approach moderation.  When I hear "unmoderated" I take that entirely at face value, which means that things can become a free-for-all and there is nothing that can be done about it because the group is unmoderated.   I've been a member on many unmoderated groups elsewhere, and know all too well how awful they can get if you end up with just a few malcontents with too much time on their hands.  I've seen groups disband, for all practical intents and purposes, because they were entirely unmoderated and those who had something valuable to contribute either couldn't stand the whole milieu or were completely drowned out.

          As to the yelling, haranguing, that's where moderation can come in quite handy.  It's amazing how quickly behaviors get modified, or problematic members bail, when their posts are held or bounced until or unless certain firm group culture expectations are met.  It saves having to do it in public and you can also have canned bounce-back messages that are completely clinical in nature saying things such as, "Our group requires that "Reason for Edit" be included any time a post is edited.  Please add it and your post will complete."  It can be incredibly effective for taking the personal aspects out of it as much as can be.


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Brian

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locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

 

Brian,

I put people on mod the minute something flares, but these people who are breaking the "reason for edit required" rule are not of that ilk. They simply remain unaware of the rule, and somehow remain unaware of it despite repeated warnings, and i think the system - including the diction and placement of the edit box - is at least partly to blame. I tired of yelling and haranguing "good people" so I just disabled the feature. 

One thing I've admired about beta is that Mark doesn't moderate it. Nobody is afraid to speak their minds here, which I think benefits us all. If there's something we hate in the product, we are free to say we "absolutely despise" it or whatever.;) Sometimes things have gotten a little heated but we are basically civilized and well-intentioned and it seems to always calm down.

I just don't like moderated groups, and that's a personal preference. I realize there are some groups where moderation is really necessary. 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 07:36 am, J_catlady wrote:
My group is not moderated.

Therein lies your problem.   My attitude toward moderation in general is that it's essential that it be there so that flame wars or personal attacks can be squelched, and group rules/culture can be enforced when necessary, but otherwise should essentially be completely hands off.

Having a non-moderated group, unless you act as a moderator of sorts as owner, generally results in the "wild, wild west" because there are certain members who will simply refuse to abide by the rules.

Moderation should be applied with a very, very, very light touch except in those instances, such as personal attacks and flame wars, where an immediate iron fist works best to shut it down.  Being able to put folks on moderated status until they calm down, that is if you don't want to immediately boot them permanently because what they've done is so egregious, can come in quite handy.  It's generally needed once a year or so, sometimes less, depending on the group and the members of said group.

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Brian

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locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 07:36 am, J_catlady wrote:
My group is not moderated.

Therein lies your problem.   My attitude toward moderation in general is that it's essential that it be there so that flame wars or personal attacks can be squelched, and group rules/culture can be enforced when necessary, but otherwise should essentially be completely hands off.

Having a non-moderated group, unless you act as a moderator of sorts as owner, generally results in the "wild, wild west" because there are certain members who will simply refuse to abide by the rules.

Moderation should be applied with a very, very, very light touch except in those instances, such as personal attacks and flame wars, where an immediate iron fist works best to shut it down.  Being able to put folks on moderated status until they calm down, that is if you don't want to immediately boot them permanently because what they've done is so egregious, can come in quite handy.  It's generally needed once a year or so, sometimes less, depending on the group and the members of said group.

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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 07:49 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've always had plans to add something like a star system, like what Gmail has. Just haven't gotten to it yet. :)

Awesome! That's great news :)

Maria


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Hi All,

I've always had plans to add something like a star system, like what Gmail has. Just haven't gotten to it yet. :)

Mark

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:36 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

Yes, you can bookmark via browser and these features are available via browser - not debating that. But it doesn't feel the same as doing so within the space of the interface: it’s a drag on mobile, it takes several steps instead of one click, not everyone likes/wants to sign in to their browser, even if they do sign in, not every computer they may use has same browser, they may use different browsers in different places (work vs home), bookmarks in your browser will never look/feel like the interface you are bookmarking in design-wise, many people don’t have the time or patience to organize their browser bookmarks well in to folders, many web forums (old and new generation) also have a “bookmark” feature - it’s nothing new,  maybe one simply wants to bookmark something so you can read it later and then remove the bookmark easily with one click (like facebook's "saved" section), maybe you are on mobile and you are skimming threads quickly and you just want to click one button ( as you do the "like button) on the interface so you can find that post/thread later and read it in detail and then remove it from your “saved/bookmarked” list, and again, I think that a “bookmarked" section would go very well with a “favorites” and things you’ve “liked", as well as things you follow if you aren’t an “all messages” person.

Maria


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