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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Ok. I'm not seeing it but I guess I have to take this one in faith. What about 'r' in 'water' and 'fragilicious' in 'supercalacrsgilicious'? It matches 'water' but not 'wate' and 'supercala' but not 'supercalacragilicious'. The only thing I see in common is the spaces after the actual words but not after the partial strings.

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On Jul 14, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:11 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?

I am far from an expert in search, but the partial match thing has to do with something called stemming. The software looks to stem words in the query. That means it removes things like 'ing' or 'es'.

Mark 

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locked Re: Question: When new version goes live

 

Hi Janice,

The main focus of the new version is mobile. The same code is used when viewing the site on your desktop and on your phone. So making mobile work better necessarily meant changing the code used for the desktop site.

On mobile, you'll see a new navigation bar across the bottom of the screen, which will make getting around the site much easier. Also, buttons have been moved and a bunch of general cleanup has been done.

On desktop, you'll also see the results of the general cleanup. The functionality is the same and the navigation is the same. Things should just look a little nicer.

To do a search now, a dialog box pops up to enter your search terms the first time.

You will know you're using the new version if the navigation bar at the top is blue instead of black.

Hope this helps.

Mark

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:49 AM, weebeequilting <weebee.1@...> wrote:

Mark,

Will you be providing a list/description of the changes taking place when you have the new version go public/live?  I would really like to give my members a good idea of the changes you made.  I, myself, have lost track of the things that have changed regarding searching and other features.  Giving us something to share with our members would be very helpful.


Janice B

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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:11 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?

I am far from an expert in search, but the partial match thing has to do with something called stemming. The software looks to stem words in the query. That means it removes things like 'ing' or 'es'.

Mark 


locked Re: ATTENTION MARK: QUESTIONS

Duane
 

I'm not Mark, but I may be able to help with the first item. Having a Profile name, aka short name, will create a public profile. If you change it, the profile will still be public. Deleting it will remove the profile page/link. The other name can be changed to whatever you want and will show in posts you make.

Duane


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Duane
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:13 am, Brian Vogel wrote:


Lecturing me as though I were a child, had not given these issues lots of
thought, and don't have decades of experience in this realm is just plain
rude.  You don't have to agree with me.  There have been plenty of threads
where people have agreed to disagree, including me.  Don't condescend as it's
utterly unnecessary.
I initially responded to Brian off group, but his reply stated "If it's not something you're willing to say in public then it is best left unsaid." I still don't feel that it really belongs on this group, but apparently Brian feels that unless someone else sees it, it's not valid. No more posts from me about this and I apologize to Mark for this one.

Duane

"Brian,

I didn't take Bob's post as condescending at all. He was making a suggestion that might help us minimize the need for edits. A reminder now and then should do us all some good.

I still have trouble with your "decades of experience" on the internet though. Yes, technically it's been around for just over 2 decades. Many of us have been around computers much longer than that and I, for one, don't appreciate your superior, even condescending, attitude for anyone that doesn't consider themselves a guru like you seem to. Time doesn't necessarily teach anything.

I initially intended to post this online, but didn't feel it was appropriate for the group. I won't bother you again.

Duane"


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Nightowl >8#
 

Maria, I'm checking out message #10017 even though I have not read everything up to this point yet...here is my response to #10017 you asked for.

HR Tech wrote:>>Yes, you can bookmark via browser and these features are available via browser - not debating that.<<

That's what I do, I have a personal bookmark on both my laptop and desk computer for every group message list, including sign in page on groups.io.

Maria wrote:>>But it doesn't feel the same as doing so within the space of the interface: it’s a drag on mobile, it takes several steps instead of one click, not everyone likes/wants to sign in to their browser, even if they do sign in, not every computer they may use has same browser, they may use different browsers in different places (work vs home),<<

True, I have used both Opera and Firefox to sign in and read groups.io. I don't use mobile, so I'll take your word for it that it's harder to do there.

Maria wrote:>>maybe one simply wants to bookmark something so you can read it later and then remove the bookmark easily with one click (like facebook's "saved" section), maybe you are on mobile and you are skimming threads quickly and you just want to click one button ( as you do the "like button) on the interface so you can find that post/thread later and read it in detail and then remove it from your “saved/bookmarked” list, and again, I think that a “bookmarked" section would go very well with a “favorites” and things you’ve “liked", as well as things you follow if you aren’t an “all messages” person.<<

AH, I get it. You mean instead of writing down a number on a notepad, I could "mark" the post somehow and it would appear in a list of posts I want to reply to or read better later.

That would not be a bad idea, I would probably still use my system of numbers, but it sounds like it would be really convenient for mobile users especially, and anyone else who doesn't want to use message numbers to reply to later.

Great idea!

Brenda


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

 

p.s. You could have an unsophisticated user who's Nobel Prize-winning scientist, and a sophisticated user who's a two-year old. I actually met one (two-year-old) the other day in the Apple store. :-)
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It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

 

Guys,

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 01:36 pm, Feathered Leader wrote:

call them unsophisticated

Of course I can't speak for Brian, but I believe he uses "sophisticated" in these discussions as a sort of term of art - as in, "sophisticated user." "Unsophisticated" is not pejorative or an insult. It is a description of someone who is less familiar rather than more familiar with the kind of software (be it forums, email lists, or whatever) under discussion. For example, I am completely "unsophisticated" when it comes to the arcane ways of email, and I would not take offense if someone described me that way. OTOH I am very "sophisticated" when it comes to other kinds of software, nor do I consider that any sort of badge of honor. 

My two cents. See signature line...

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked ATTENTION MARK: QUESTIONS

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

First, can I change my display name to Nightowl or Owl? And will that cause my profile to become public? "Feathered" is just weird.... ;) & I don't want a public profile.

Second, Where are we with the Code of Conduct?

I'm curious because I'm trying to get caught up, and was wondering if it has been discussed lately, or if it has been tabled. I'm still awaiting your opinion on the last draft I wrote, on whether to rewrite it. :)

Third, since it may have been lost in the shuffle, are you going to remove the figleafed e-mail from the ellipsed quotes as well?

Fourth, did you ever get my request about moving Owlperch to a Subgroup of MMSanctuary? You asked me to send the request, and I sent it some time back.

I'm sorry I've been so out of touch. Trying to get back on track.

And thank you for all you do, and have done for us.

Brenda
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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>> Fine, Brenda. You admit that you don't read for content even when the originator of a post points out that you're misinterpreting it and that others in the thread did not read them as hurtful at the time.<<

I did not admit I don't read for content.
Shal stated it was hurtful first.

I'm done with this discussion.

Brenda


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>Brenda, My message does quote you quoting Shal.:-)<<

Yep, I found it with John's help. I don't do threads, so he had to show me how.

What I had written was:>> I would prefer that.<< (regarding Shal;s quote), meaning I would prefer a learning curve over a delay, but tmy main reason wasn't included in your reply, so I'm including it here to clarify. :)

Owl wrote:>>I'm really against any sort of hold on a message, because sometimes I send/post one right before I leave the house or shut down, and I wait for it to appear. 10 minutes would be way too long to wait, especially if I need to be somewhere.<<

That is the biggest problem for me with any sort of delay, but I'm fine with the reason for edit being mandatory, no problem with that, sounds great. :)

Glad I cleared that up. :)

Brenda
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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 07:39 am, J_catlady wrote:>>Yes, message numbers are extremely useful. Critical. Why on earth would they go away? This thread has been too long for me get through yet but that's my 'vote'.<<

I was stating I hoped they weren't merged with the search box, because I use the message #box all the time, and my search box is not visible because of my resolution.

I'm glad you agree though, because since I had been unable to read the rest of the messages yet, I wanted to make sure I stated how important they were to me. :)

Thanks Catlady,

Brenda
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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Fine, Brenda.

You admit that you don't read for content even when the originator of a post points out that you're misinterpreting it and that others in the thread did not read them as hurtful at the time.

There is nothing in my statement about sophistication of use of anything should read to a rational person as you'd like to read it.  We were all unsophisticated users of virtually anything you can name at one point and the vast majority of us did not stay that way because we observed the way more skilled users than we did things and tried them out.  When people refuse to do that, well, you can coddle them if you like - I don't.  People who want to learn, and are complete newbies in many things, have been lovingly nursed along by me (and not just by me) and I genuinely enjoy doing that.  This is entirely different from the crowd who simply refuses to consider anything else "but the way I've always done it."

You need to stop taking statements that were not made about you, and could not have been made about you, and treating them as personal insults.  It serves no one well.

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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Hidden e-mail truncation in ellipses when clicked

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>Feathered, That's why you and others (not me) want fig leafs. The emails are showing onlist. That's your whole argument. And they show within the ellipses, too. The ellipses are gust for the purpose of collapsing prior posts when someone top posts and doesn't trim...My point is that (a) it's a lot of work for the bad guys to have to go through all the messages and click on all the ellipses...<<

The bad guys in question would have no problem taking the time or energy to do just that. I've spent a great deal of effort in the last few years to keep this person out of my groups, and groups I'm in because of the lengths he will go to.

So yes, if Mark can eliminate the use of even the figleafed e-mail in the quoted part, even when hiddedn by ellipses, and only use the display or screen name, that would solve a lot of the problem.

Thankfully, I've seen no sign of this person having infiltrated this group, but I am always on guard.

Brenda
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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>Brenda, You have elected to jump in to a number of old threads,
clearly without taking the time to read what was in them up to that point.<<
Completely untrue. I sat here from 6:30 p.m. yesterday until 5:00 a.m. early this morning reading every single message up to this point where I replied to yours. I stopped at message #8800 because I needed to get to bed.

My reply has everything to do with how you portrayed people or message numbers as weirdness, and those who used them unsophisticated, and was absolutely in context. You were being hurtful, Shal called you on it, and I agreed, because it was true.

There is no reason or place in this group for people in here to deliberately insult others for the way they choose to use the site, or call them unsophisticated or ignorant for the way they use the site. Mark wants this place to be somewhere where people can speak freely and not be attacked or criticized for their views.

You (Brian) wrote:>>The only way any user becomes more sophisticated is to learn and to observe how more sophisticated users actually do things. Those who absolutely refuse to do so, and they do exist, will get dismissal from me because that's what willful ignorance deserves.<<

That implies that anyone who doesn't do it your way is less sophisticated and ignorant. I am neither, and that was what I did not appreciate, as I stated here:

Owl wrote:>>So I would appreciate it if you would not imply that I'm ignorant because of how I choose to use the site.<<

And I still stand by that above statement. Firmly.

Brenda
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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>This thread may be dated, but I don't think (hope) message numbers are going anywhere. There is a field to search for them in the new search box (#newtest version/ #newmobile). They are very useful. Our archivist uses them often for reference purposes.<<

I'm glad to hear that. I don't use mobile, but I was concerned when it was discussed about merging them into the search box on regular computers, because my resolution doesn't show my search box, only my message number box, so I would have to click into it every time to use it, which would be very very annoying.

I want them to stay as a message # box, and not merge with the search, and having the message #box was my number one request when we first started, so I'm holding to that.

Maria wrote:>>Separately, I couldn't help but notice one of ways you described using them. I'm curious what you would think of the idea presented in message #10017 as it's one of the scenarios I described.<<

I'm not quite up to message #10017 yet, but since I'm checking in on more recent messages to to see if I needed to handle anything about the things I replied to last night, I'll check it out in a few minutes. :)

Brenda


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

 

Brenda,
My message does quote you quoting Shal.:-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:37 pm, J_catlady wrote:>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:13 pm, Feathered Leader wrote: Shal wrote:>>TThe simpler, but perhaps more painful, solution is to just live through the learning curve as members learn not to make unnecessary edits. Shal, he also wrote this, and I agree: I've no problem with making the field mandatory.<<

Actually, I never wrote that, I quoted Shal, and I don't see what my response was to the quote in this post...but I can look back and see if I can find it. I know though, I didn't write what is above, I quoted it and replied to it somewhere. :)

Brenda


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locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>But again. It's top posted and the email address in that situation is hidden within ellipses.<<

Ellipses would not stop one of the particular troublemakers, believe me. That person is very very computer savvy, and has caused a great deal of grief in other groups of mine as well as groups I've been in. So I'm still glad that Mark is hiding the e-mail addresses, and would hope they are hid within the ellipses quotes as well.

I have had to track IP addresses in the past to catch this person when they get into groups I'm in and cause problems, and I have a list of screen names and IP addresses two pages long. So I'm always watching out for any group I'm in to prevent problems.

I'm relieved that the fig-leafed e-mail address is being replaced with the display name.
Thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>We're revisiting a discussion long since past, and for which Mark has said he's made a decision on, but why not. I'm game.<<

I agree, but I did read every message in order up to the point I replied, and discovering that the quoting of e-mail addresses made one of my main domain e-mails public, really disturbed me. So I needed to point that out.

This isn't a private group, and anyone could have gotten it from here. fortunately, nothing has happened yet, and thankfully, Mark has changed it to no longer include entire e-mail addresses, so maybe it won't.

I just needed to explain there are more reasons to hide e-mail addresses than just spammers, sometimes there is a need to protect them from other things. And some of these troublemakers are VERY computer savvy, and have harassed other groups I've been in, in the past. So I'm trying to protect Mark's group from that sort of thing as best as I can. :)

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Nightowl >8#
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:37 pm, J_catlady wrote:>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:13 pm, Feathered Leader wrote: Shal wrote:>>TThe simpler, but perhaps more painful, solution is to just live through the learning curve as members learn not to make unnecessary edits. Shal, he also wrote this, and I agree: I've no problem with making the field mandatory.<<

Actually, I never wrote that, I quoted Shal, and I don't see what my response was to the quote in this post...but I can look back and see if I can find it. I know though, I didn't write what is above, I quoted it and replied to it somewhere. :)

Brenda

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