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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Hi All,

I appreciate both sides of this debate. Here's my rambling take. Back in January, with my Early 2016 Roadmap post (see https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4759) I had an item about whether beta@ should be renamed. I also anticipated that Groups.io would come out of beta 'soon'. Neither has happened yet. :-) Which kinda illustrates my attitude towards web site betas in general: they're much more 'squishy' than standard software betas. When Groups.io comes out of beta, very little will actually change in terms of my process. Bug fixes will always be top priority (it's what I've spent most of today working on, for example). But otherwise it'll be new features and improvements to existing things.

I don't always follow my published list of development priorities exactly, but I think I'm pretty good at that.

I always want to hear ideas for new features. And to quote myself from my mid-year update (see https://groups.io/g/beta/message/8656): I have said in the past that I was wary (Shal!) of adding new settings because I feared the site was getting too complicated. I've had a little bit of a change of heart with that. I want Groups.io to be the best and I understand part of that is being able to customize it for each individual group/circumstance.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:18 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Brian,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:11 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

A subgroup of beta, or even better, a feature suggestions and requests group, would serve that function much better while "purifying" the beta group to an extent back to a focus that's more typical.

I had the same idea just a little while ago.  
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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

        Based on my testing results I have to agree with your premise.  It's really annoying to get two copies of the same message.  It's just as annoying as missing a copy of your own message entirely, particularly if it is the start of a thread.

        It seems that one never misses one's own messages when using Gmail now, so the setting is an anachronism (at least for Gmail - I have no idea if it's necessary for any other provider).  If it was only for Gmail it could be removed.  If it's needed for others it would make sense to give a detailed explanation of where and when it should be used as part of the setting itself.  It sure confused me, and I now think that a recent complaint about duplicate messages is probably the result of this setting being on.


On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Brian,

I think that's right. I think the setting could be gotten rid of. 

If "always want copies" is on, then if I send a message via gmail, gmail sends me two copies back: my sent message plus the message re-sent by Groups.io. If it's off, then I get just one copy. Whether or not it's on, I always get a copy of any message I post via the web. So I'd vote for getting rid of the setting.

I've had group members complain about the duplicates and have tried to explain it away. I think something in gmail may have changed since the "always want copies" setting was implemented.

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locked Re: Difference between Display Name and User Name ?

 

Hi,

I've changed User Name to Profile Name and the help text under Display Name to "The name listed with your posts."

I'm ok with adding privacy controls, but I think first we need to figure out how/if multiple profiles will be implemented.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 6:17 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

I'd also suggest revisiting the description for the Display name:

Right now it says: "The long version of your name."

Is that really what it is? Maybe it should say that this is the name that will be listed in posts next to your profile picture, or the name in the "From" field on the digest?Or other?

I just had a test member think that display name would be at the bottom of her posts and user name was her profile name that would be shown in posts.

Maria



locked Re: RSVPs

 

Hi Sue,

That bug should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Sue <sue.tier@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, I just set up an event and sent invitations to RSVP to test this new feature. I incuded myself in the invitation and when I received the email, I clicked through to RSVP. Chose 'yes' from the dropdown and then wasn't sure how to confirm it. I tried the 'Add RSVP' button and it dropped me back on the homepage of my main group - despite the event being created in my sub-group. When I went back into the event it said I had not yet responded. Then I wondered if I just had to navigate away from the page without clicking anything but that didn't work either. Am I missing something or is this a bug? Thank you, Sue



locked Re: RSVPs

Sue
 

Hi Mark, I just set up an event and sent invitations to RSVP to test this new feature. I incuded myself in the invitation and when I received the email, I clicked through to RSVP. Chose 'yes' from the dropdown and then wasn't sure how to confirm it. I tried the 'Add RSVP' button and it dropped me back on the homepage of my main group - despite the event being created in my sub-group. When I went back into the event it said I had not yet responded. Then I wondered if I just had to navigate away from the page without clicking anything but that didn't work either. Am I missing something or is this a bug? Thank you, Sue


locked Re: Here's a CLUE Message jumps when moderator clicks "edit"

Jennifer Christian
 

I highlighted and deleted the prior message -- and as soon as I did, his message immediately jumped back to the left hand margin, like normal.


locked Message jumps when moderator clicks "edit"

Jennifer Christian
 

Hi, Mark -


I wanted to edit Dr. Martin's message (to erase the prior message) -- and when I clicked "edit", the message jumped a couple of inches to the right.   (See screen shot below).  This has happened before, and I believe it was with his messages.


Is this something you can do anything about?  It makes it hard to edit the message when I can't see the righthand portion of it!


Cordially,

Jennifer



locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Brian,

I think that's right. I think the setting could be gotten rid of. 

If "always want copies" is on, then if I send a message via gmail, gmail sends me two copies back: my sent message plus the message re-sent by Groups.io. If it's off, then I get just one copy. Whether or not it's on, I always get a copy of any message I post via the web. So I'd vote for getting rid of the setting.

I've had group members complain about the duplicates and have tried to explain it away. I think something in gmail may have changed since the "always want copies" setting was implemented.

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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

So far, the only thing that's different when I post and receive via Gmail is that I do receive a duplicate of the message I posted when "always want" is on.  However, I also receive it as a part of the normal thread e-mail process, too, so it seems to be utterly superfluous.

I'm leaving it on for a short while longer, then will turn it off to allow a few more messages to collect without it.

If the purpose was to insure that you weren't missing your own posts because of some Gmail quirk, that quirk seems to be gone and the need for the "always want" along with it.  
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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Brian,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:11 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

A subgroup of beta, or even better, a feature suggestions and requests group, would serve that function much better while "purifying" the beta group to an extent back to a focus that's more typical.

I had the same idea just a little while ago.  
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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

This message is going to serve as my test posting via Gmail, but it is a response and it has a purpose.  I'm tying two threads together for me, but I'll keep the topic to what's been discussed here.

Maria makes a very accurate characterization of a number of the posts here in beta, "Maybe we are more meta than beta :)," and notes that the beta charter includes, "Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group...."   There's nothing wrong with the former, per se, but I do think there's something wrong with the latter (even though Mark put it there).  Meta blue-skying, which is what I'm seeing an awful lot of in the beta group, really doesn't match what those of us who are, or have been, in "the development biz" would ever expect in a beta environment, discussion or otherwise.

A subgroup of beta, or even better, a feature suggestions and requests group, would serve that function much better while "purifying" the beta group to an extent back to a focus that's more typical.

Here's another example of where grafting on something that's quite atypical, feature requests, to a beta group, which carries very strong overtones of testing and working through upcoming releases, including whatever might be being added out of a feature request group, is far more typical.  They usually focus on what's actually under development, prior to and sometimes also just after initial release to the user community.

I think, perhaps, that's part of the reason I am reacting as strongly as I am to some of what's getting and has gotten posted here.  It just doesn't "fit" the usual purpose of beta/beta testing groups/discussion forums for a product, any product.

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locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Duane,
Absolutely. Just pointing out that the complaint giving rise to 'we need the fig leaf' is easily waved away here by the same parties, claiming we could just put limitations in harvesting.

But yes, if both are made optional settings there's no problem.

My understanding is that Mark decided to make fig leafs optional. What happened to that?



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On Jul 11, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

It's not necessarily one or the other. If this implemented, and made optional as suggested, then fig leafing may be useful on some groups that choose to disable "send to me."

Duane


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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Lol. Touché.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2016, at 10:05 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

Maybe we are more meta than beta :)

BTW I think the bookmark idea would work nicely with your "stuff I've liked idea" which I am pleased to see on the Trello list:

https://groups.io/g/beta/message/6662

Discourse groups those together in the profile area of users and I think that would be cool too.

Maria


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locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

Duane
 

It's not necessarily one or the other. If this implemented, and made optional as suggested, then fig leafing may be useful on some groups that choose to disable "send to me."

Duane


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Duane
 

I think this clears it up. In order for "always want" to do anything, you'd have to post via gmail, as well as receive via gmail. Posting on the web will always show the post because gmail hasn't seen it before. As far as I know, this setting only applies to gmail, but possibly services using their platform. This was clearly understood back when it was implemented last year, but I can see that there should be a better explanation for new folks on the site.

Duane


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

and by that I mean, efforts by marketing claiming the customers want it. Of course, now I'm a customer. And I don't want it. I'd rather have, first, a really well-functioning product.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:59 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Maria,
If that's what the beta group description says, then my bad. I was actually just about to go look it up. It's not my understanding (having worked as a senior software engineer/designer for 15+ years, before quitting the rat race to become a musician) - it's not my understanding of what beta is. Also, as part of many development teams I would, of course, fight efforts to pull new features out of us when the first release of the product was not even baked yet.

Despite that, I still feel as a matter of principle that 'keep it simple stupid' is a really good motto, beta or otherwise.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:53 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

I hear your concerns. Obviously, bug resolution is always a bigger priority than ideas for new features.

That said, the invitation to join @beta states: "Help Us Improve Groups.io. Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group..."

When one is actively testing and using the platform is when one is most likely to encounter issues that need fixing, as well as ideas that may (or may not) be helpful ones to share. There are many ideas on the Trello list. Who knows which ones will take effect and which won't - but I think it's cool people have shared them.

As for the bookmark idea: It's an idea for a feature (one I've seen on other platforms) and as far as I know @beta is an appropriate place to share that.

Maria



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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

Maybe we are more meta than beta :)

BTW I think the bookmark idea would work nicely with your "stuff I've liked idea" which I am pleased to see on the Trello list:

https://groups.io/g/beta/message/6662

Discourse groups those together in the profile area of users and I think that would be cool too.

Maria


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Maria,
If that's what the beta group description says, then my bad. I was actually just about to go look it up. It's not my understanding (having worked as a senior software engineer/designer for 15+ years, before quitting the rat race to become a musician) - it's not my understanding of what beta is. Also, as part of many development teams I would, of course, fight efforts to pull new features out of us when the first release of the product was not even baked yet.

Despite that, I still feel as a matter of principle that 'keep it simple stupid' is a really good motto, beta or otherwise.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:53 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

I hear your concerns. Obviously, bug resolution is always a bigger priority than ideas for new features.

That said, the invitation to join @beta states: "Help Us Improve Groups.io. Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group..."

When one is actively testing and using the platform is when one is most likely to encounter issues that need fixing, as well as ideas that may (or may not) be helpful ones to share. There are many ideas on the Trello list. Who knows which ones will take effect and which won't - but I think it's cool people have shared them.

As for the bookmark idea: It's an idea for a feature (one I've seen on other platforms) and as far as I know @beta is an appropriate place to share that.

Maria


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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

J

I hear your concerns. Obviously, bug resolution is always a bigger priority than ideas for new features.

That said, the invitation to join @beta states: "Help Us Improve Groups.io. Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group..."

When one is actively testing and using the platform is when one is most likely to encounter issues that need fixing, as well as ideas that may (or may not) be helpful ones to share. There are many ideas on the Trello list. Who knows which ones will take effect and which won't - but I think it's cool people have shared them.

As for the bookmark idea: It's an idea for a feature (one I've seen on other platforms) and as far as I know @beta is an appropriate place to share that.

Maria


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Brian,

I'd like to "Like" this twice. I don't know what's going on here. The product is not even out of beta yet and feature after new feature is being proposed - chat rooms? bookmarks? and ad infinitum.

There are still bugs, there are still major issues to settle with the existing functionality, let alone adding new things (fig leaf, reply mixups, and one other, can't remember right now what it is).

When I state wishlist items, they are asking for minor enhancements or improvements to existing features, not suggestions for new room additions. I think some of the creativity shown here is boundless and admirable but my feeling is agreement with you that much of it is inappropriate - for now, at least, and also into the future. I love streamlined products that work very well and predictably. Not ones that throw in the kitchen sink (to mix metaphors) and crawling with bugs and "issues."

FWIW. See signature line.

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