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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Thanks. I used to assume that it was the sent message plus the incoming message, but I eventually rejected that idea. I've seen the behavior you describe in other mailing lists I'm on and it's completely different. In what you describe, the 'sent' message simply appears within the message thread. It does not conspicuously arrive, on its own, into the inbox as it does here; gmail doesn't announce that there's a new message, as it does here; and gmail does not add 1 to the thread counter, as it does here. So I'm perplexed. You might still be right. As I said, I am very ignorant when it comes to the workings of email. But this walks like a duck (incoming message) and that's what I have to call it. Plus, it only appears when the box is checked, so the duplicate seems to be an arid act of the Grouis.io workaround.

There are now three people whom I personally know of who have experienced this - me, Brian, and the one group member of mine who complained. Wondering if there are others?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 12, 2016, at 2:05 AM, Laurence Taylor <g7mzh@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

You don't _receive_ duplicate messages when posting from Gmail; one is the
message you sent, and in most mail reders would be in the "sent" folder.
Gmail puts these in with the incoming emails. The duplicate is the one
received via the reflector (if you select that option).

If you read your mail offline with an email client on your PC, none of this
applies and Gmail behaves the same as any other provider.

Perhaps there is a case for Groups.io to issue a new message ID for every
post and forget about the option.


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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Laurence Taylor
 

You don't _receive_ duplicate messages when posting from Gmail; one is the
message you sent, and in most mail reders would be in the "sent" folder.
Gmail puts these in with the incoming emails. The duplicate is the one
received via the reflector (if you select that option).

If you read your mail offline with an email client on your PC, none of this
applies and Gmail behaves the same as any other provider.

Perhaps there is a case for Groups.io to issue a new message ID for every
post and forget about the option.


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rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: RSVPs

Sue
 

Hi Mark,

Many thanks. It now takes me back to the home page of the sub group.
A couple of thoughts. Because it took me back to the home page without any confirming message that my response had been noted, I had to go back in to the event to double check it had worked this time.
Also perhaps the button could be renamed to say 'confirm' or 'save' once the response has been selected.
Thank you,
Sue

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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

ps In response to this issue in general, I'd remember the town of Hamlin as a cautionary tale.:-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:22 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I always want to hear ideas for new features. And to quote myself from my mid-year update (see https://groups.io/g/beta/message/8656): I have said in the past that I was wary (Shal!) of adding new settings because I feared the site was getting too complicated. I've had a little bit of a change of heart with that.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess it's open season, in that case!

Also: what happened to the setting for fig leafs? I thought that was one you'd decided to implement. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Mark,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I always want to hear ideas for new features. And to quote myself from my mid-year update (see https://groups.io/g/beta/message/8656): I have said in the past that I was wary (Shal!) of adding new settings because I feared the site was getting too complicated. I've had a little bit of a change of heart with that.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess it's open season, in that case!

Also: what happened to the setting for fig leafs? I thought that was one you'd decided to implement. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Mark,

Is "always want copies" the default when someone creates a new account? If so, I will know to preemptively explain to new members that if they get duplicate emails they have to go in and turn it off. Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

I guess the "solution" is to tell anybody who's getting duplicate messages to turn off "always want copies." 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Huh. Strange. Well, I'm not going to worry too much about it. 

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. Mine only do it in email, and it's purple, not red. 
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It's dumb to buy smart water.



locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

p.s. Mine only do it in email, and it's purple, not red. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Brian,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 04:14 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

         You'll notice on the web interface that my message that starts out, "Based on my testing results" from 6:26 PM is in deep red.  My original e-mail message uses a different font,

Yes, found it. Curioser and curioser, because mine do the color-change thing only in the email version that I get. I always wondered why some of your posts were in color! 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

         You'll notice on the web interface that my message that starts out, "Based on my testing results" from 6:26 PM is in deep red.  My original e-mail message uses a different font, but in this color, and the color but not the font is carried over to the web posting of the original e-mail message.

          I don't know how, if, or whether this applies in any way to your purple text, but wanted to point it out.

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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Right. And for another clue, although I have no idea what this means: one of them is always purple (like when you copy and paste something) and the other one is normal font.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

And just for clarity, I get the duplicate if and only if the original message is submitted via e-mail, not via the web interface.  My situation is pretty much precisely as J describes.


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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

And just for clarity, I get the duplicate if and only if the original message is submitted via e-mail, not via the web interface.  My situation is pretty much precisely as J describes.


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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Difference between Display Name and User Name ?

 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:15 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've changed User Name to Profile Name

Great! 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

Mark,

This is really odd. I only use gmail (but I don't use Google Apps). Here is the result of the four cases. I've seen this behavior for at least six months and once reported it to you, but figured I was a "one-off" and gave up on it - until today, when I saw Brian's post. I also have members complaining about "why they're getting two copies of their messages." I told one of them to uncheck the box, and she did, and reported that it did no good:

1. send message via email, "receive copies" checked: two copies of the message in my inbox

2. send message via web, "receive copies" checked: one copy, all is good

3. send message via email, "receive copies" unchecked: one copy, all is good

4. send message via web, "receive copies" unchecked: one copy, all is good.

Summary: everything is fine unless the box is checked and you send a message via email. In that case, you get duplicate copies. As Brian says, getting the two copies is really annoying. I am advising group members who experience this to uncheck the box. I don't know if there's something else I'm aware of that makes the setting necessary, since I am totally unfamiliar with the ins and outs of email. No pun intended.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

            I use the Gmail web interface as my sole day-to-day interface to Gmail.  I also have Thunderbird, Outlook 2010, and Windows Live Mail 2012 installed for testing reasons.  I have the e-mail account that is my Groups.io account in Outlook and am seeing the same thing as I see in the Gmail web interface.  If I have "always want" on I get a duplicate message where my own e-mail address is the sender but I always get the one that says "Brian Vogel via groups.io", whether or not "always want" is on.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Can the date of the subject match be taken as the date of the latest message in the thread when the sort is newest first, and the date of the first message when the sort is oldest first? That is, it would always appear at or before any message body match that may be in that thread.

That's indeed how the date sorting works when dealing with thread matches.

Cheers,
Mark 


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:39 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I want Groups.io to be the best and I understand part of that is being able to customize it for each individual group/circumstance.

Mark,

           I truly wish you nothing but the best, and will continue contributing, but on a much more limited basis, probably with a focus on accessibility issues I might uncover, to the beta group.

           What you propose as your ideal, "being able to custoize it for each individual group/circumstance," has always led to anything but a best in class in my experience.  I know arguing against it is bound to fail when individuals are at opposite ends of this particular spectrum and you are the owner of this venue and, as such, the ultimate arbiter, as it should be.


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Brian

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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
        It seems that one never misses one's own messages when using Gmail now, so the setting is an anachronism (at least for Gmail - I have no idea if it's necessary for any other provider).  If it was only for Gmail it could be removed.  If it's needed for others it would make sense to give a detailed explanation of where and when it should be used as part of the setting itself.  It sure confused me, and I now think that a recent complaint about duplicate messages is probably the result of this setting being on.


I just tested this and, at least for me, nothing has changed on Gmail's end. If I have unchecked the box, I do not receive a new copy of the email. If it's checked, I do. This is with Gmail in Google Apps, but I'd be surprised if it's any different for normal Gmail. 

If you're using an email client with Gmail, I can believe that you'd see different behavior, as how sent emails are shown is a decision of each email client.

Cheers,
Mark 


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Hi All,

I appreciate both sides of this debate. Here's my rambling take. Back in January, with my Early 2016 Roadmap post (see https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4759) I had an item about whether beta@ should be renamed. I also anticipated that Groups.io would come out of beta 'soon'. Neither has happened yet. :-) Which kinda illustrates my attitude towards web site betas in general: they're much more 'squishy' than standard software betas. When Groups.io comes out of beta, very little will actually change in terms of my process. Bug fixes will always be top priority (it's what I've spent most of today working on, for example). But otherwise it'll be new features and improvements to existing things.

I don't always follow my published list of development priorities exactly, but I think I'm pretty good at that.

I always want to hear ideas for new features. And to quote myself from my mid-year update (see https://groups.io/g/beta/message/8656): I have said in the past that I was wary (Shal!) of adding new settings because I feared the site was getting too complicated. I've had a little bit of a change of heart with that. I want Groups.io to be the best and I understand part of that is being able to customize it for each individual group/circumstance.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:18 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Brian,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:11 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

A subgroup of beta, or even better, a feature suggestions and requests group, would serve that function much better while "purifying" the beta group to an extent back to a focus that's more typical.

I had the same idea just a little while ago.  
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J

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