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locked Re: Feedback on New Mobile Test Version

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal,

Have you put GMF into the new "mobile/desktop test version? Or Shal's Test? I need to be able to see the interface, and I can't do it using a phone as I don't have one that does that.

I just need to see how the new version is going to change the desktop version I use before it goes live this weekend...

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Where can we set our preferred amount of messages to display?

David P. Dillard
 

Infinite scroll is hard on people who do not have disabilities. Proquest, a major database vendor adopted infinite scroll as the only option in both their databases and in Summon. People doing a large research project can no longer note the page where they left off and go back to that page by number, they must coast down by stop and start batches of numbers until they reach that group of records. Now that records are numbered, one can slide until they reach that number, but not as easy as going from a group of ten pages to the next group of ten. Google databases now batch in groups of four. Those who batch in smaller numbers or provide infinite scroll make intermittent use of a large group of records a difficult and time consuming task.


http://www.proquest.com/


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Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Nightowl wrote:

Mark Fletcher wrote in Post #9123 on June 21, 2016:>>I'm not a fan of infinite scroll on the desktop, so I don't see paging being replaced on the desktop<<

Thank You for that. Infinite scroll is really hard for disabled people, or people with hand and wrist issues like myself. I appreciate that it won't change.

Brenda



locked URGENT- MARK: New Version changes to Desktop

Nightowl >8#
 
Edited

Mark,

I've been out of touch for awhile, and John says you plan to make the "new" version live this weekend? Or maybe you already have?

I noticed that the Message # box is gone. ACK!!!! PLEASE please tell me that it will stay separate on the desktop version, because clicking on the drop down and selecting it would be a really tedious process for me to do every single time I reply to one of the message numbers on my written list!

Please please, don't take that away? this is the one thing I need most, is for the message # box to stay separate from the search box.

I hope that can still be the case??

Thanks

Brenda


locked Re: Where can we set our preferred amount of messages to display?

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote in Post #9123 on June 21, 2016:>>I'm not a fan of infinite scroll on the desktop, so I don't see paging being replaced on the desktop<<

Thank You for that. Infinite scroll is really hard for disabled people, or people with hand and wrist issues like myself. I appreciate that it won't change.

Brenda


locked Re: Notification overhaul

Nightowl >8#
 

Duane wrote in Post #9087 on June 21, 2016:>> It seems that my confusion comes from the fact that apparently folks are having emails delivered to them, but not reading them. I thought it was a safe assumption that if they were sent, they were read, but not reading them appears to be more the rule than the exception based on the comments here.<<

How about not reading them "quickly." Hehee!

Try this one on for size. What would the e-mail counter think if I had over 3000 messages in my "Beta to Read" folder, but yet all of them were unbolded and marked as unread, even though I hadn't read them yet.

If there was such a way to keep track via e-mail, it would be soooo confused, thinking I had read what I marked read, when I hadn't.

This is probably exactly why there isn't some method to count what you've read in e-mail on the Beta Website. Poor counter would go bonkers. ;)

I'm just glad life slowed down enough for me to finally catch up in here. :) I'm almost there!

Brenda


locked Re: Notification overhaul

Nightowl >8#
 

Catlady wrote in post #9048 on June 19, 2016:>>But how would the system know they're unread if the member is also reading via email?<<

I think the issue with that is that the member has to choose one or the other to keep track. For example, in Yahoo groups which was a hybrid e-mail-web system, I read on the interface, even though I also received all the e-mails.

I do the same thing in here, read on the interface, but receive all the e-mails.

But, in Yahoo, I only worried about the web interface for knowing what read and unread were, which I could tell because the color of the message subjects changed when it was read. Yahoo didn't know whether I had read the ones in my e-mail box, but like I said, I think you have to choose one place or the other for keeping track.

To my knowledge, Beta has not yet implemented that method of changing message color, so the way I do keep track manually in my e-mail client, is I move all the messages that I have not read into a folder called "Beta To Read" and then when I'm ready to read online, like last night, I look at the first message in that folder, and start with that message number.

Also, most e-mail clients have another way to mark read and unread. They all come in bolded to Thunderbird when not read, and are unbolded when read. I don't use that criteria though, I just unbold them all and move them to my unread folder. Then once they are read on the web, I move them to my "Beta Posts" folder, for storage.

I am hoping Mark will implement a color change or something on the web interface that tracks where I stopped, which would make it a lot easier. :)

Brenda


locked Re: Notification overhaul

Nightowl >8#
 

catlady wrote in Post #9023 on June 19, 2016:>> IMO it's fine right now, with messages unread via web in a slightly different color.<<

Is this actually in effect? Because I'm not seeing it. My read and unread messages all look the same color to me on the web interface.

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Chat: tied to an event, a message thread, or its own section? #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Catlady wrote in post #8810 on June 12, 2016:>>I simply sense what seems to me a sudden and worrisome getting carried-away-ness and enthusiasm for throwing in the kitchen sink of whatever features come to mind. "Hey, let's add this!" and "Hey, let's add that!" I'm generally a fan of keeping it simple.<<

Same here. One of my biggest worries about the groups.io platform is that it is getting harder for me to understand how all the features work. Mind you, I don't have to really know how they all work, or use them all, but as someone who is encouraging people to leave Yahoo and come here, I feel like I owe it to them to understand it better.

A solution though, which has been mentioned before, I think, is to have a simple instruction page and a advanced instruction page of information to help them along. or simple settings and advanced settings.

But like you, I do worry at times that it's becoming too "connective" and I wouldn't like that. I have nothing to do with Facebook, nor will I ever, because of the way it "connects" everyone. So anything like that being integrated here, I hope will always be an optional thing, and I would opt out.

Brenda


locked Re: ATTENTION MARK: QUESTIONS

Duane
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 05:07 pm, Nightowl wrote:


I went in and changed my display name to Nightowl, minus the >8# (Can't
include that, can I?)
I believe you can use most anything on the display name. It's the profile name that can't have any spaces or punctuation. Nothing to lose by trying.

Duane


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:55 pm, Nightowl wrote:
However, the one I use on here on that domain, has shown up in exactly the
manner that Shal explained...being used as part of a quoted passage on
groups.io. NO WHERE ELSE.
Looking up Nightowl's email address on Google, I see the results are from the old View Source links. Those are gone now for arbitrary users, and they'll probably disappear from Google eventually, too. Even though there's a "fig leaf" in the quote, it's a MIME multipart quote, and in the HTML portion, the email address does *not* have its domain replaced by an ellipsis, which is how it shows up in search results.

JohnF


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Wikipedia has this to say about stemming;

"There are two error measurements in stemming algorithms, overstemming and understemming. Overstemming is an error where two separate inflected words are stemmed to the same root, but should not have been—a false positive. Understemming is an error where two separate inflected words should be stemmed to the same root, but are not—a false negative. Stemming algorithms attempt to minimize each type of error, although reducing one type can lead to increasing the other."

These are precisely (a) and (b) from my complaint before: searching on "disabled" also yields "disability" etc. (false positive), and searching on "wate" produces nothing even if "water" is in the text (false negative). Arguments justifying either one would negate arguments justifying the other - e.g., "we include as much as possible" negates "we don't include partial matches", and vice versa. That jives with the statement above that  "reducing one type can lead to increasing the other."

I wonder what kind of "minimizing each type of error" was done or attempted by the group who developed the software used by Groups.io (I've already forgotten the name of it). They need to do better IMHO!

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: ATTENTION MARK: QUESTIONS

Maria
 

Brenda

When I click on your profile, all I see is your display name, your user name, your profile pic and the groups you are in.

That's all.

Maria


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Mark,

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 04:42 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

it removes things like 'ing' or 'es'

Thinking about this more, I think this also accounts for the approximate matches (which I hate!) I vote for new search software. :-) 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Oops I reversed those. It matches supercalafragilistic but not supercala. Ignore iPhone typos;)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:06 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Ok. I'm not seeing it but I guess I have to take this one in faith. What about 'r' in 'water' and 'fragilicious' in 'supercalacrsgilicious'? It matches 'water' but not 'wate' and 'supercala' but not 'supercalacragilicious'. The only thing I see in common is the spaces after the actual words but not after the partial strings.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:11 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?

I am far from an expert in search, but the partial match thing has to do with something called stemming. The software looks to stem words in the query. That means it removes things like 'ing' or 'es'.

Mark 

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: ATTENTION MARK: QUESTIONS

Nightowl >8#
 

Thanks Duane,

I went in and changed my display name to Nightowl, minus the >8# (Can't include that, can I?)

I didn't change anything with the short name, it has featheredleader there, but I didn't put it there that I know of.

The reason I thought it was a problem being public, is when you first click on Profile under your avatar in the top right, it first takes you to a page listing your groups, but then when you click the button that says edit profile, it takes you to a page where the first thing you see is the e-mail address you use on here, in it's entirety.

Is that login page you see first, part of the public profile? If it is, that is what I don't want public. My profile page/tab is mostly blank, if that's the only one made public.

Thanks Duane,

Brenda


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Ok. I'm not seeing it but I guess I have to take this one in faith. What about 'r' in 'water' and 'fragilicious' in 'supercalacrsgilicious'? It matches 'water' but not 'wate' and 'supercala' but not 'supercalacragilicious'. The only thing I see in common is the spaces after the actual words but not after the partial strings.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:11 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?

I am far from an expert in search, but the partial match thing has to do with something called stemming. The software looks to stem words in the query. That means it removes things like 'ing' or 'es'.

Mark 

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Question: When new version goes live

 

Hi Janice,

The main focus of the new version is mobile. The same code is used when viewing the site on your desktop and on your phone. So making mobile work better necessarily meant changing the code used for the desktop site.

On mobile, you'll see a new navigation bar across the bottom of the screen, which will make getting around the site much easier. Also, buttons have been moved and a bunch of general cleanup has been done.

On desktop, you'll also see the results of the general cleanup. The functionality is the same and the navigation is the same. Things should just look a little nicer.

To do a search now, a dialog box pops up to enter your search terms the first time.

You will know you're using the new version if the navigation bar at the top is blue instead of black.

Hope this helps.

Mark

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:49 AM, weebeequilting <weebee.1@...> wrote:

Mark,

Will you be providing a list/description of the changes taking place when you have the new version go public/live?  I would really like to give my members a good idea of the changes you made.  I, myself, have lost track of the things that have changed regarding searching and other features.  Giving us something to share with our members would be very helpful.


Janice B

AZ



locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:11 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?

I am far from an expert in search, but the partial match thing has to do with something called stemming. The software looks to stem words in the query. That means it removes things like 'ing' or 'es'.

Mark 


locked Re: ATTENTION MARK: QUESTIONS

Duane
 

I'm not Mark, but I may be able to help with the first item. Having a Profile name, aka short name, will create a public profile. If you change it, the profile will still be public. Deleting it will remove the profile page/link. The other name can be changed to whatever you want and will show in posts you make.

Duane


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Duane
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:13 am, Brian Vogel wrote:


Lecturing me as though I were a child, had not given these issues lots of
thought, and don't have decades of experience in this realm is just plain
rude.  You don't have to agree with me.  There have been plenty of threads
where people have agreed to disagree, including me.  Don't condescend as it's
utterly unnecessary.
I initially responded to Brian off group, but his reply stated "If it's not something you're willing to say in public then it is best left unsaid." I still don't feel that it really belongs on this group, but apparently Brian feels that unless someone else sees it, it's not valid. No more posts from me about this and I apologize to Mark for this one.

Duane

"Brian,

I didn't take Bob's post as condescending at all. He was making a suggestion that might help us minimize the need for edits. A reminder now and then should do us all some good.

I still have trouble with your "decades of experience" on the internet though. Yes, technically it's been around for just over 2 decades. Many of us have been around computers much longer than that and I, for one, don't appreciate your superior, even condescending, attitude for anyone that doesn't consider themselves a guru like you seem to. Time doesn't necessarily teach anything.

I initially intended to post this online, but didn't feel it was appropriate for the group. I won't bother you again.

Duane"

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