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locked Re: update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

 

Ok:

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 07:14 am, J_catlady wrote:

Haven't noticed the trashcan icon and am not seeing it now

Like I said, I'm not caffeinated. You said it's on the "discard" button. I see it but it's barely noticeable IMO. Maybe I need better glasses but I would suggest eliminating the word "discard" and using a LARGER, visible/noticeable trashcan icon. And I do see it now, as I compose this draft. 

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p.s.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 07:08 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

Discard means discard entirely, not discard changes/don't save.

Yes, I get that. But gmail uses the trashcan for both. Right? 
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locked Re: update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

 

Brian,

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 07:09 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

 If you're not using the test system, switch over and look at the discard button.  There's actually a trash can icon on the button, and the meaning of a trash can in cyberspace is pretty universal.

I am not completely awake yet, but I, too, was just about to mention the trashcan icon and the fact that gmail, for instance, uses for both situations: checkbox and delete drafts, or open draft and discard/delete - so why the distinction here?  Where else have seen this distinction in language ("delete" vs. "discard")? If discard means "cancel and delete," who needs it? Because "delete" implies you're cancelling as well. Right?

I'm on the test version and still see the language difference. Haven't noticed the trashcan icon and am not seeing it now, as I would in gmail if composing a message. I'll caffeinate and try some more examples. 

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locked Re: update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

P.S.  If you're not using the test system, switch over and look at the discard button.  There's actually a trash can icon on the button, and the meaning of a trash can in cyberspace is pretty universal.


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locked Re: update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 07:01 am, J_catlady wrote:
So 'discard' means 'cancel plus delete'? 

Yup.  And that's been anywhere I've ever been provided with a discard option.  You generally don't need to save drafts, if you shift away from what you've been composing it's automatically saved as a draft, which you then have the option of deleting if you're not actively editing it at the time.

Discard means discard entirely, not discard changes/don't save.
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So 'discard' means 'cancel plus delete'? 

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On Jul 15, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 06:10 am, J_catlady wrote:
Is there a logic to when "delete" is used instead of "discard," and if not, could a choice be made and used consistently?

I have seen this distinction made elsewhere.  It has been pretty consistent in that "Discard" is used only when you're actively editing a draft and means, "toss whatever changes I've made and delete the draft itself," and that "Delete" is used when you're looking at a list of multiple drafts from which you can select one or more without opening them but you want to get rid of those drafts.

Right now, as I compose this, there is a "Discard" button at the bottom of the compose area (I'm using the test version).  Were I to hit that this message would be disposed of and no draft would be saved.  It's the same concept if I'm editing an existing draft that I just decide I don't want to send for whatever reason.  But when I'm not actively editing I check the checkbox(es) beside the draft(s) I want to nuke and hit the "Delete" button instead.
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locked Re: update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 06:10 am, J_catlady wrote:
Is there a logic to when "delete" is used instead of "discard," and if not, could a choice be made and used consistently?

I have seen this distinction made elsewhere.  It has been pretty consistent in that "Discard" is used only when you're actively editing a draft and means, "toss whatever changes I've made and delete the draft itself," and that "Delete" is used when you're looking at a list of multiple drafts from which you can select one or more without opening them but you want to get rid of those drafts.

Right now, as I compose this, there is a "Discard" button at the bottom of the compose area (I'm using the test version).  Were I to hit that this message would be disposed of and no draft would be saved.  It's the same concept if I'm editing an existing draft that I just decide I don't want to send for whatever reason.  But when I'm not actively editing I check the checkbox(es) beside the draft(s) I want to nuke and hit the "Delete" button instead.
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locked Re: update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

 

p.s.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 06:10 am, J_catlady wrote:

whether to use the word "discard" or "delete." I don't care which one is used, but I find their alternating use puzzling (and makes me wonder whether these actions are somehow different in their effect

Perhaps the explanation is that they're not different in their effect, but they act on different kinds of objects? If so, I don't think that matters to users. As it stands now, looking at it from the outside, it's very puzzling. 
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locked update the drafts counter in a consistent manner #suggestion

 
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Lets say I have one or two drafts. If I go into drafts, click on the box for a specific draft, and hit "delete," the displayed drafts counter is immediately decremented along with that action. But if instead of clicking on the box I go into the draft itself and click on "discard" below it, the drafts counter displayed is not decremented until I click on something else within the site to update it, at which point it shows the decrement. Could the counter immediately show the decremented number in both cases, instead of just the case where you click on the box? The inconsistency makes me think something went wrong and I need to double check (as in, "wait, I just deleted that draft, why is it still there"?) 

BTW, awhile back there was a discussion about whether to use the word "discard" or "delete." I don't care which one is used, but I find their alternating use puzzling (and makes me wonder whether these actions are somehow different in their effect - I don't think they are). Is there a logic to when "delete" is used instead of "discard," and if not, could a choice be made and used consistently?
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locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

 

Maria,

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 05:37 am, HR Tech wrote:

If you are searching by # it's because you actually know the message number

Yes, posts crossing. I just posted the same fact. 
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locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

 

Hey,

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:33 am, Nightowl wrote:

I can no longer look through the list and choose a message number to put in the box, because the box covers the message numbers and posts.

I checked this out and at first I thought, oh yeah, this is a big problem. But then it dawned on me: so what if the msg# box covers up part of the screen, or if you can't scroll through the message list to find the message# you want while the box is up? The box seems to be specifically geared to the situation where you *remember* a specific message# and want to jump to it. If you can see on the screen the message and message# you're interested in, you don't need to use the msg# box because you can just click on the message. Right?

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locked Re: Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Maria
 

There may be another benefit to taking the search by message # out of the search box and that's the problem with when you move your cursor from the search field to click the "search only within this thread" option and then you have to put the cursor back to enable the return/go.  As mentioned in message #9958.

It would be ideal to have a "search" button on that dialog box.

Also, when the search fields include more advanced options (by author, by subject, message content, by date) etc.. maybe the number field won't work there?

I see Y! has it as a stand alone search box. If you are searching by # it's because you actually know the message number - so while it's a search, it's kinda not the same type of search as it's more of a way to avoid clicking the page arrows to get back to a specific place. It's more of a direction/command than a search.

Maria



locked Re: Chat: tied to an event, a message thread, or its own section? #suggestion

Maria
 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 09:34 pm, Nightowl wrote:
A solution though, which has been mentioned before, I think, is to have a simple instruction page and a advanced instruction page of information to help them along. or simple settings and advanced settings.

But like you, I do worry at times that it's becoming too "connective" and I wouldn't like that. I have nothing to do with Facebook, nor will I ever, because of the way it "connects" everyone. So anything like that being integrated here, I hope will always be an optional thing, and I would opt out.

I agree, I think a "Help" section would be great and I imagine will be in the works at some point after things get more stable. All sites have them. There are some areas especially (like advance settings in subscription) which could use more documentation to help folks who are new and who may just need some clarity with regards to choices they can make. It's hard to make documentation when things are in flux, but when the dust settles, I am happy to share with Mark anything that we may write up internally for our group in the event that those FAQ's should be helpful. Maybe if other groups also write instructions and materials they can share.

What would be great  is a collection of screen videos so that things can be shown/explained visually and by voice - maybe those can be linked to the written help pages.

To see where this thread ended up see message #9693. We now have a calendar with RSVP options and this may include further enhancements in the future to help the event organizer and the respondents better organize and communicate about the event. It's a great feature and may become even more useful with some additions. It's wonderful for groups who need help with in person events - which is a huge component of any group that actually brings people together in real life. It has more in common with event invitation sites or event related apps, then it does FB. And of course, the calendar can be switched off entirely and the RSVP option left un-clicked and I imagine further enhancements will all be enabled through optional settings.

Maria



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Duane
 

There's now a button with a bubble on it at the upper left of the reply window that will insert the entire post that you're answering. Hovering over it will say Quote Whole Post. If you only want to quote part of it, you can highlight that part before hitting the Reply button and it will copy it in for you.

Duane


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Nightowl >8#
 

Okay. I'm calmer...(deep breath)

I'll try to explain more calmly and clearly what the problem is about merging the Message# box and the Search Box.

When I had the message# box, I could see only that Box, and no Search Box, which made me perfectly happy and worked just great. I had a small magnifying glass icon that I knew if I clicked it would open my search box if I needed it, that's all my resolution would allow.

So here is the problem now:

Now I have NO box at all. I have only the magnifying glass which has to be clicked on to open the choices.

When I click on the magnifying glass, it opens a window on my screen that is 10 1/2 inches long and 4 inches high. It also shades everything on the screen around the search box so that I can no longer look through the list and choose a message number to put in the box, because the box covers the message numbers and posts.

Worse yet, what little of the screen I can see through the shading behind, it won't even scroll to let me look at the page of messages. Or even to find a message number to choose to start a search using message numbers.

This just cannot work for me, please please put it back like it was on desktop. This is the worst thing I was afraid might happen. :(

Please please put it back.

Thanks Mark.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

Uh...I'm trying to reply to Shal's message #10099 in here, and there is no insert quote below the compose box.

In fact, the only things below the compose box are a green tab that says reply to group, and a red tab that says Discard.

Shal, I'll cut and paste, but all the controls under the box are gone. What happened to all the controls???? I can't even choose plain text!

Shal wrote:>>It isn't a per-group thing. Go to this page to switch between the normal and test versions: https://groups.io/test (bookmark it or otherwise keep it handy)<<

Thanks I had just found that and bookmarked it. But so far I am not happy about the Message # box being merged, or the fact that there are no usable controls for choosing plain text or sending or quoting under the compose window.

Not convenient and don't know where all those settings went. Sheesh.

I need to go to bed and tackle this more tomorrow. I'm nearly caught up, anyway.

Brenda
(hoping what I am supposed to hit is reply to group)


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Nightowl >8#
 

Worse yet, when I try entering a message number using the drop down, the box is so big it covers up the archive so I can't read the message numbers if I need to and determine what post I want when I'm trying to find one!

Please....let this be a nightmare... please put the message# box back like it was.

Brenda
(Stressed out over this!)


locked Message Number Box is gone! ACK!

Nightowl >8#
 

I was so so so afraid this would happen, that's why I tried to write about it last night to head it off!!!!

The message # Box has been merged with the search! Now I have to click on a drop down box, choose a choice and type in the number EACH time I reply to a post!

No no No, please please tell me this is something we can put back where it was? It will take me forever to do it that way, let alone a lot of extra mouse clicks affecting my RSI! Please put it back the other way????? Please?

Brenda


locked Re: Feedback on New Mobile Test Version

 

Brenda,

Have you put GMF into the new "mobile/desktop test version? Or Shal's
Test? I need to be able to see the interface, and I can't do it using a
phone as I don't have one that does that.
It isn't a per-group thing. Go to this page to switch between the normal and test versions:
https://groups.io/test (bookmark it or otherwise keep it handy)

This switches either desktop or mobile, whichever you're using, for every group you're in.

(If you have more than one log-in account, or are logged in from more than one device/browser, I don't think it will affect the others - just the one you're using when you switch.)

If you have any pages open in another tab or window (of the same browser) when you switch you'll need to refresh those pages to get them redrawn in the switched mode. You can tell which mode you are seeing by looking at the top bar: blue for test version, black for normal version.

Hope this helps.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Testing the test version

Nightowl >8#
 
Edited

Mark Fletcher wrote in Post #9204:>>Hi All, I've made it easy for you to see/test the new version of the site. Just go to https://groups.io/test and you can toggle which version you see. This URL is not linked anywhere in the site.<<

Thank you Mark! I just got to this post. EDIT (removed sentence) I'll check this out more tomorrow. I'm still wanting to catch up in here first.

I take it that it didn't actually go live on July 5th? My upper bars on my groups are still black. EDIT: Now they are blue, weird.

Brenda

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