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locked Re: Hidden e-mail truncation in ellipses when clicked

 

Brenda,

So yes, if Mark can eliminate the use of even the figleafed e-mail in
the quoted part, even when hiddedn by ellipses, and only use the display
or screen name, that would solve a lot of the problem.
Eliminating email addresses altogether from the site's pages, including in message bodies and quotes, is something that was discussed at length as "Anonymous" groups - but that topic goes much further and also eliminates them from emails sent to members.

Currently the site "fig-leafes" (hides the domain part of) email addresses in message bodies (including quotes) when pages are seen by non-moderators. This is the same as what what Y!Groups do.

There is a proposal to make the "fig-leaf" optional on a group basis; implementing that option would show the entire email address to members (but not non-members, in groups with public archives).

So far as I'm aware there isn't a proposal to go the other way, and remove entire email addresses from message bodies as shown on site, without going all the way to "Anonymous".


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

In fact, I now notice that the feature is also allowing "collapse threads." It seems to be treating "all posts by this member" like any other search.

I don't think that's right. I think it should simply display all posts by the member, no threads, no "relevance" sort, no collapsing. I don't think people are (generally? could be wrong) interested in "all threads this member has posted in," or the relevance sort (what would that even mean?). I personally am just looking for their messages, period. I don't see it as a search in the sense of searching for a term. Right? Isn't it possible to easily produce all the posts by a given member without resorting to the search software?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Brenda,

AH, I get it. You mean instead of writing down a number on a notepad, I
could "mark" the post somehow and it would appear in a list of posts I
want to reply to or read better later.

That would not be a bad idea, I would probably still use my system of
numbers, but it sounds like it would be really convenient for mobile
users especially, and anyone else who doesn't want to use message
numbers to reply to later.
An advantage to having a "Star" (or "bookmark") system within the site are the features Maria mentioned in starting the thread:

"I'd love the ability to sort the bookmarks by author, date, or hashtag
or even to be able to categorize these posts in a way that feels useful
to me.

Also to be able to search from within the bookmarks for specific terms."

Those things are more tedious to do with paper notes, or even with browser-based bookmarks. But yes, you can always use paper notes too.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Chat: tied to an event, a message thread, or its own section? #suggestion

 

Maria,

It's hard to make documentation when things are in flux, but when the
dust settles, I am happy to share with Mark anything that we may write
up internally for our group in the event that those FAQ's should be
helpful. Maybe if other groups also write instructions and materials
they can share.
One and all are invited to take from, be inspired by, or even (especially) contribute to GMF's Wiki - I'm trying to encourage two types of info there: Advice moderators can give to their members, and Advice for moderators by other moderators.

So far it is pretty basic, so there's plenty of room for anyone who feels inspired to contribute.

What would be great is a collection of screen videos so that things can
be shown/explained visually and by voice - maybe those can be linked to
the written help pages.
That would be nice. It is a bit outside of my ken: I do screen shots but I've not learned to do screen videos. I might have to hire one of those robot voices to narrate.

I've discovered that I can place a screen shot in my group's photos section and use the code view feature to place it on a Wiki page, but GMF's wiki is public and the photos cannot be, so perhaps I'd have to use Flickr or a site like that to host any images on wiki pages - at least until a photo tool appears there. Same thing, I suspect, for video clips: they'd have to be hosted externally to Groups.io but maybe could be referenced from a Wiki page.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Catlady, NO! Don't you touch my Message # Box, it's finally working!

Hoot! (*Bangs fists on desk*...;)

Brenda


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

Posts crossing. Ok.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:06 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

there currently isn't a message # search box on mobile. I was saying the balance on desktop between the two boxes is off. 

Maria 



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 04:40 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
a pop-up was motivated primarily by lack of room in the mobile interface.

If the lack of space on mobile has anything to do with the msg# box, I'd go back to Plan A on that one. The search box is more important than the msg # box given their relative usage.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

Maria
 

J

there currently isn't a message # search box on mobile. I was saying the balance on desktop between the two boxes is off. 

Maria 


locked "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

I happened to notice that if "relevance" was last checked in a search, "all posts by this member" brings up the member's posts in a some date order presumably honoring a "relevance" function. Obviously, "relevance" has no "relevance" in that situation. Needs to be turned off.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 04:40 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I agree with you on desktop.

I think Maria is looking at it on mobile and agrees it's weird there, too (unless her comments were about desktop?). Since the paths have diverged again(?), I can't say anything about mobile. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

J,

Even if the idea is to open up advanced search options later, I think
the box should allow entering of a search term immediately.
I agree with you on desktop.

IIRC having it be a button that opens a pop-up was motivated primarily by lack of room in the mobile interface. The future advanced search options I think were more of an "oh yeah, and this too". So this may be a case where the two (desktop and mobile) really need to operate differently.

For advanced search, let that be an option. Don't make EVERYONE doing
ANY search have to do two clicks just because some subset of people will
want the advanced search.
Agreed again, on desktop. I'd also prefer that the future advanced search option open up the additional controls like a panel between the button bar and the list, rather than be a modal pop-up.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

Maria
 

To clarify: 

maybe not in grey, just maybe the word "search" written out as "hashtags" or "discard" is, so a button with icon +text but not to search within it, just to give it more real estate. 

On Mobile, I just checked on a smaller phone, and take my prev. comment back. Keep as a simple icon on mobile.

Maria 


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

Even if the idea is to open up advanced search options later, I think the box should allow entering of a search term immediately. It is much more important that a search term can be entered fast than a message number. The priorities are reversed. For advanced search, let that be an option. Don't make EVERYONE doing ANY search have to do two clicks just because some subset of people will want the advanced search. That's like making everyone troop into the - I don't know, searching for an analogy here - the restroom stalls if some people only want to wash their hands. :-)

I think the geography/real estate issue should be fixed regardless. Make the box bigger, don't squish it (provide a little space around it), and minimize, at least by comparison, the (rarely used) msg# box. I have no problem with the msg# box being on the first page so that everyone can sleep well. But I do have a problem if it's on the first page allowing immediate entry and search is not.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

Maria
 

I'm on mobile right now, but recall thinking same thing this morning ( at that was perhaps before additional recent changes -which I've yet to see). 

One thought: add the word "search" in light grey to the icon/box. 

Like when you search your text / email messages on iPhone, or like the FB and Instagram app search box. Even on mobile I think the added word would be ok (even good perhaps but I'm in a 6 plus right now, so not sure about on iPhone 5... I could be wrong) and on desktop it would make that box wider. 

If I recall, the idea of the search opening up a separate box is because there will be advanced search options at some point?

Maria



locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Continuing this discussion seriously: Yahoo does it correctly. If, for example, you search on the word "metabolize" in a yahoo group and then in Groups.io, with both groups having many messages containing words with that root, then in yahoo, you get only the messages containing the word "metabolize." In Groups.io, you get all messages containing the word "metabolized," and all messages containing the word "metabolic," and all messages containing the word "metabolism," and on and on. If you search on any other one of those words, you always get only exact messages in the yahoo group and all the approximate matches in the Groups.io group. This is true in Groups.io whether or not you put the term in quotes, and whether or not you switch to "relevance" sort in a sinkingly disappointing attempt to at least see the exact matches displayed at the top rather than mixed into all the non-matches.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Feedback on New Mobile Test Version

 

Brenda,

Now someone tell me how to make sure I'm in plain text, and we'll have
this replying process on track again. ;)
If there are only two tools above the message composition window ("Quote Whole Post" and "Add Attachments"), and only two buttons on the left below (Reply button and Discard), then you are in plain text mode.

If in addition you have a link to "Github Flavored Markdown Guide" above (thanks Mark!) and a Preview button below, then you are in Markdown mode.

If you have a panoply of formatting tools above then you are in HTML mode.

Or, you can open your profile, edit it, choose the Profile tab, and scroll down to verify your current "Post Preference" setting.

I wish for a way to see and alter your format choice right from the message composition. There was one before, a drop-menu below and to the right (where the Private button is now). I've suggested adding a format control to the toolbar instead, but I recognize that may be an issue for mobile.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 
Edited

I don't know what can be done about this, but I continue to find odd and unintuitive the relative sizes of the search vs. the message# box. The magnifying glass is in the smallest box imaginable, the smallest of everything there (although possibly the most needed and used). The message# box is huge by comparison. This does not jive with the amount of usage each gets, or the convenience that correspondingly would go along with amount of usage - namely, search used constantly, whereas message# is used very rarely, as the responses here to Mark's question about this indicated.

As I'm sure everyone here knows, in the commonly found search box is wide (so that the user can enter the search term) and the icon appears right-justified at the end. This gives the a size, and an amount of real estate, reflecting its relative importance and degree of usage. Here, the tiny magnifying glass is SQUISHED into this small space, almost as an afterthought. Not only is that cognitively "off," but it also makes it harder to click on the search box than the message # box (again, not jiving with actual usage). (I'll pass on the anticipated lectures here on how I just have to "aim right," thanks. This is my reaction as a "naive" user. And physically and actually, it takes more skill [EDIT: effort and tiny extra amount of time] to land in a very small box than a larger one.)

I realize that the magnifying glass in the case of Groups.io's current implementation can't legitimately be compared to a "normal" icon, which is part of the actual search box. Here, it is not part of the actual search box but rather only a means to bring up the search box. So as I said, I don't know what can be done. But this constantly feels distinctly odd to me. The layout is "off."

Perhaps the box could be widened and the icon put in the middle? Perhaps the actual search box could be put back on the first page, rather than having to bring up another page to get it? I hate to beat this to death, but we now have one rarely-used function (message#) with its own, large box on page 1, requiring only one click; vs. a constantly used function (search) with a tiny, squished box looking like an afterthought, and requiring two clicks to get to the actual search.

Should be changed IMO.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Message Header colour no longer changes after reading

John P
 

Hi,

The members of our group really liked the feature that Mark implemented some time ago which had the message header colour change after that message had been read.

This feature appears to have been lost with the new website version (on desktop and mobile) and if it's possible to bring it back, we would really appreciate it.

Regards,

John P



locked Re: Message # / permalink icon display

 

On 16 Jul 2016 at 2:38, Shal Farley wrote:

Mark,

From #10184, but that thread drifted off-topic:
Ok, I linkified the message number. I'm undecided on it. What I don't
like is that, because the link icon is oversized, the underlining when
you hover over the message number is not a straight line. I tried
reducing the size of the link icon but that looks weird in its own way.
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/10184

I don't know if some further tweaking has happened, but in the message
Single View and Expanded View (on Firefox) it looks just fine: the
underscore appears as an unbroken line under both. Looks good.
Weird.

I looked at it with Vivaldi, Opera 12, IE, and Chrome, and the underline is
offset 2 pixels on all except Opera, which is 1 pixel.

IMO, totally not something to worry about. You don't even see unless you
hover over it, and even then it's only for a second before you click it.


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Jim
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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

ps I can't sleep at night because of this!!:-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:17 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

Brenda, No! Mark gets no more time! (*bangs fork on plate*....;)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Nightowl <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

catlady wrote:>>Brenda, We're on the same page here. I've been bemoaning this problem for months. I think I will continue to post concrete examples showing specifically why this is annoying and truly problematic, because I'm not sure the seriousness of the issue has gotten through yet. It is a huge detriment to the
product IMO.<<

I agree, search is a really important feature. Bear in mind though, that even Yahoo failed to get it's search fixed to the satisfaction of all users. So I'd give Mark some time and try to be patient, because search is one of the hardest things to get tweaked just right. We are still in Beta, right?

Even Google still has some problems not returning the results I want. ;)

Brenda

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author.

It's dumb to buy smart water.


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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