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locked New problems with edit function in test version on web

Jennifer Christian
 

I sent a message to my WFD group today (#13860) that I had composed in Outlook with formatting -- a bulleted list in the middle of the posting. 
When it arrived in my approval queue on Groups io, the bullets had been removed.  So I tried to use the editing function to put them in again.  First, I selected the bullets option.  What appeared was a NUMBERED list with a hollow bullet right next each number.  So, I decided, OK I'll go with a numbered list.  Then what showed up was a duplicate number beside each item (11,22,33 etc.).  So I went down the list and removed the duplicate digits.  One of them was UNremovable -- but the other wasn't.

And now that that message has posted, I see that the first line of the message is preceded by a bullet.

Yesterday, when I sent a different message to the same group, it arrived at Groups.io with one line huge -- in 24 point font. 

I am very grateful that the browser allows me to undo undo undo when my editing on Groups.io site screws up a message worse than when it arrived. 

I would love it if you could add copy / paste format buttons. 

Also, when composing a message, I wish there were a save button. Oh, now I remember, you save them automatically as drafts.  How is a user supposed to know that?

Cordially,

Jennifer Christian



locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 06:02 pm, HR Tech wrote:
and they said that it would be so helpful to them as when they travel and use other computers they'd be able to get to their list of favorites/bookmarked groups.io posts regardless of which (and whose ) browser they are using.

Which has been available via the sync feature of any major browser for some years now.

If this sort of feature were really that important that user would be aware that they could have had it, with ease, long before now.  These things are, indeed, useful and cool.  They already exist in practice as a web browser function if you use sync and log in to your browser.  You can log in on another computer's same browser and, like magic, things such as the tabs you were looking at, bookmarks you've saved, passwords you've saved, browsing history, add-ons/extensions, and preferences are right there for you.


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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 08:45 am, HR Tech wrote:
For those on mobile web this would be especially useful. Bookmarks via browser in mobile web are no fun at all and take several steps. Whereas the way i envision a bookmarks button on the groups.io interface would take one click.

Another reason why bookmarks within the groups.io interface would be cool: I mentioned it today to someone in our group who is a very active poster, and they said that it would be so helpful to them as when they travel and use other computers they'd be able to get to their list of favorites/bookmarked groups.io posts regardless of which (and whose ) browser they are using. I hadn't thought of that advantage as i always travel with my laptop - but I guess there is that to, not needing to worry about where/which device you are logging in from.

Maria


locked Re: Reminder for "Following Only" Digest/Email Recipients that there are more/new topics?

Maria
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 04:28 pm, ro-esp wrote:
it sounds like a lot of programming to me, but do you understand where I'm coming from?

 Totally.

And to clarify - I didn't mean that if you are set to daily digest you should get any individual emails at all - as that would defy/betray your settings. I was just saying that those who get individual emails of ONLY the thread they follow could also use a way/reminder to help them be aware of what else is going on in the group. A link on their emails to help them pick more threads to follow if they want.


I didn't realize the digest wasn't every 24 hours -so yeah, in that case, new topics since last digest...

My suggestion of it linking to "all messages" was because I figured that might be simpler than actual thread subjects being listed.

That said - i love the idea of suggested topics both in the digests of those who are not seeing everything, as well as in general when you search for stuff.

I love anything that helps members get more involved with the interface as it helps define the space more as a place one feels is useful and comfortable.

Maria



locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:13 pm, Feathered Leader wrote:
Shal wrote:>>TThe simpler, but perhaps more painful, solution is to just live through the learning curve as members learn not to make unnecessary edits.

They will never learn. A delay is extremely distasteful to me as well. The really simple solution is to make the "reason" field required, at moderator request (a new setting). If we're quoting Shal, he also wrote this, and I agree:

I've no problem with making the field mandatory.
For me it would help with those impulse occasions where I forget to enter anything. Happens to me in the Wiki more often than messages, but pretty much the same problem.
It might also cause some members to pause and consider whether their edit was worth making  

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locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>I disagree that what we have is a hell hole. I think it's pretty good and a radical improvement over Yahoo Groups.<<

I agree it's an improvement over NEO Yahoo Groups, and it's fast becoming a contender to be as good as Yahoo Classic Groups. But it's definitely not a hellhole.

Brenda


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>The simpler, but perhaps more painful, solution is to just live through the learning curve as members learn not to make unnecessary edits. And learn what's necessary and what's not.<<

I would prefer that. I'm really against any sort of hold on a message, because sometimes I send/post one right before I leave the house or shut down, and I wait for it to appear. 10 minutes would be way too long to wait, especially if I need to be somewhere.

Yes, I know I'm replying to message #8026...but at least I've gotten this far catching up!

Brenda


locked Re: Reminder for "Following Only" Digest/Email Recipients that there are more/new topics?

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 05:47 am, HR Tech wrote:

Maybe if the digest is for someone who is "following only" or similar, it
could say:

"This is a digest for xxx @groups.io. There are xxx new topics in your group.
Follow New Threads and Hashtags, Change Your Subscription"
I don't think anyone cares to be told how many new threads there are. You'd want to be notified about their *subjectlines*

(where "follow new threads/hashtags" would link to "all messages" and "new" refers to in past 24 hours")
It should have clickable links to the threads you want rather than to "all messages".

As to the "24 hours".. not everybody gets their digest daily. I'm thinking the list should include the new topics since the previous digest (maybe even those since the digest before that), or after 3.5 or 4 days. Whichever comes first.

or in an individual email:

"You are following this thread/hashtag on xxx @ groups.io. Change Your
Subscription, Follow New Threads and Hashtags."
I think people who choose a digest don't want extra individual mails. I think the list of new topics should be included in the digest one gets anyway, or separately after 3.5 or 4 days of not getting any digests at all.

it sounds like a lot of programming to me, but do you understand where I'm coming from?

groetjes, Ronaldo



Or maybe there can be a section at the bottom of the messages followed - but
before the footer - that lists linkified titles only of all new topics in the
past 24 hours. A "More recent topics: Please click here to follow them"
section that brings you to the "all messages" section where you can read
and/or start to follow them.

Maria


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Mark,

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 03:54 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Does Yahoo search do true partial matching of arbitrary length queries?

I don't know about "arbitrary length," but I just tried it one of the few yahoo groups I'm still in, for various words with between about 5 and 15 letters, and it did produce the matches.

What about the approximate matches? That's my main gripe. In combination with no partial matches, what we're getting is (a) no matches for strings (parts of words) that ARE actually contained in messages and on top of that, (b) matches for strings that ARE NOT contained in the search term! It's a double whammy! Is there at least the possibility of making search terms in quotation marks return only exact matches? Isn't that standard, or am I just really behind the times? Is that also a problem with the search software? Yes, maybe you either need to hire these guys or (better yet?) use different software...

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

J,

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:32 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Here's a little thing to complain about: entering only part of a word brings up no results. For example, if there are messages with the term "supercalafragilistic," that word works fine as a search term. But "supercala" brings up nothing. Etc. I tried this for a bunch of words - "messa" instead of "message," "wate" instead of "water," etc.

Shal brought this up as an issue with activity search as well. It's not a bug in that it's doing what it was programmed to do. Doing partial matches is a tricky thing. Does Yahoo search do true partial matching of arbitrary length queries? I'd be shocked if they do. It's a question of storage space and processing required. 

That said, it definitely needs to happen for at least some things. Unfortunately, the software I use for search, ElasticSearch, has somewhat impenetrable documentation and despite a few hours playing with it, I haven't found the right incantation to get partial searches working yet. I'll most likely have to hire them to help me figure things out (which is their business model.... hmm, now I think I understand the bad documentation.....). All this is to say that: it's a big project, it's important, but it won't happen right away.
 
In search results, thread matches now always display message count badges, even for threads of one message. 

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Here's a little thing to complain about: entering only part of a word brings up no results. For example, if there are messages with the term "supercalafragilistic," that word works fine as a search term. But "supercala" brings up nothing. Etc. I tried this for a bunch of words - "messa" instead of "message," "wate" instead of "water," etc.

I think this is wrong (and my guess is that it's a simple implementation bug).

If intentional policy and not a simple glitch, I think requiring whole words in order to register a match is especially contradictory or inconsistent, in light of the policy of returning highly approximate (rather than just exact) matches in general.

I think both should be eliminated/fixed.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Just doing a cursory check so far. Trying to find something to complain about and having a *really hard time*:-) But here's what I would say so far:

1. The search still returns approximate results. For example, I did a search on the word "disabled" and also got all messages containing the word "disability." I was specifically looking for that one particular word. Even if I put it in quotation marks, I get back all the other stuff. I understand my issue is not specifically related to the new version of search, but I am taking the opportunity to bump it up because I have found it very annoying. WHY can't I get back all messages, and only all messages, containing the exact term I am looking for?

2. After collapsing, threads with only one message get no number after their titles. I think they should get a "1" to make it very clear. I realize that this, too, is not related to the new version of search (or to search at all), but rather to the way threads are displayed in general. But I find it disconcerting in the context of search (and not otherwise) not to specifically have a number displayed for every thread, even if that number is "1."

I am still trying hard to find other things to complain about. Nice job.;) 

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:22 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Also: what happened to the setting for fig leafs? I thought that was one you'd decided to implement. 


It'll happen, just haven't gotten to it yet. Nobody mentioned it when I put out my mid-year update. 

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:16 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. If all I care about it testing the new search function, can I do that from test version on a laptop? That's all I really need to know. Thanks. :-)

Yep. You want to use the test version.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Feedback on New Desktop Version:

 

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I just noticed what I think is a bug with regard to date/time display.  In my Profile I have set my Time Display to "Absolute" which shows, as its example, "Jan 13, 2016, 4:47pm".  This is actually what I wanted, a full date-time stamp.

I'm not getting "relative" results, but partial absolute.  For things from today the threads show the time of last post added, which is fine because I get that today is implied, but for anything older all that's showing is month and day.


For awhile I've been moving towards the shorter display that you're seeing and ignoring the user preference. It's not everywhere yet, but that's the direction. This type of display is more consistent with other sites and is easier to deal with on mobile (because's it's shorter). You can still see the absolute date/time by hovering over.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Feedback on New Desktop Version:

 

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

> Can you send me some URLs of this happening (either on-list or direct to
> me is fine)?

Go to beta@ in Expanded View and scroll down trying to find a message that /doesn't/ have a word broken across lines. Ok, there are some, but many messages have at least one.


The word wrap issue with Firefox and the new version should be fixed (I was not able to duplicate the problem with Chrome).

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: New search options

 

I did but the window didn't work for me. I'll try again later after taking a cat to the vet. :-) Thanks.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:15 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 09:45 am, J_catlady wrote:
There's a magnifying glass but it doesn't seem to allow a search.

Click the magnifying glass search icon. 

It will open up a search window.

Maria



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

p.s. If all I care about it testing the new search function, can I do that from test version on a laptop? That's all I really need to know. Thanks. :-)

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
So test version = mobile version right now? It doesn't detect if I'm on a mobile device and switch to another version? Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

As you know, I've been working on a new version of the site that's better suited for mobile browsers. Along with those changes, additional changes and fixes have been made that affect viewing the site on desktop as well. While not perfect (yet!), the new version is much better than the existing version of the site. Also, having two version is confusing for everybody, so I want to switch over to the new version as soon as possible, which I hope to do on Friday. I'd encourage you to play with the new version before then, on either desktop or mobile, and let me know if you have any feedback.

To switch between versions, go to https://groups.io/test

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: New search options

Maria
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 09:45 am, J_catlady wrote:
There's a magnifying glass but it doesn't seem to allow a search.

Click the magnifying glass search icon. 

It will open up a search window.

Maria

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