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locked Re: problem: edited date wipes out date posted #suggestion

 

Ok, the nagging feeling that something is wrong with leaving out the date just took shape in the form of an example. Say you're scrolling through the message list by date, trying to find a message that you know was posted on a certain date. Say that's one of the key things you know about it. You don't remember the message #, because, as has been pointed out, who would? You might know who posted it (or you might not), and you probably know something, ranging from vague to definite, about its contents. Searching on terms may (or may not) be helpful. The only thing you're sure of is the posting date (or even date range.)

Or say you want to find all messages posted on a certain date (and there is not yet a "date range" advanced search option).

In either of those cases, you're screwed. If you remember it was posted in October, 2015, and you're scrolling through in that date range, you might see other posts during that month (or you might not - there might not have been any). If you did see some, you could check the surrounding messages (if there are any), but you would not see the message you're looking for AS POSTED ON THAT DATE.

That's the problem.
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locked Re: problem: edited date wipes out date posted #suggestion

 

It's not a big deal. It's just a little thing that bothers me (and may eventually bother your average user...) But I'll pick my battles. ;) 
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locked Re: problem: edited date wipes out date posted #suggestion

Maria
 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 06:18 am, Duane wrote:
I personally don't see a reason for the original post date/time on the Messages View. If an edit has been made, then I'm interested in the correct(ed) information and when it was posted to make sure I've seen it. It doesn't change the sort order as far as I can tell, still uses the original date/time on the view.

 I feel the same way. Unless, I'm missing something... ? I'm not sure why I need to see the original post date and the edit date in the messages list view. As long as it's in the single message view...

Maria 


locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

It just happened again, and it will probably happen with this reply, too. The system is very sluggish and a bit weird this morning, at least on my end. (Nothing else is slow - email, etc., all work fine.)
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locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

(p.s. FWIW: Something went really wrong after I hit "reply to group" on that. At first it hung for about 15 seconds (or more? time is stretched when waiting for things like this), with the task bar about a quarter of the way through. After awhile I hit "send" again. It seemed to make a little progress, and then took me back to "my groups." After I clicked on "beta," I found that the message had posted.) 
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locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 
Edited

Maria,

I didn't check that out. In general, I'm not sure what the "collapse threads" feature was meant to be applied to. I thought it was a brilliant idea on Mark's part but I understood it only to apply to search results. "All posts by this member" is inherently different from a list of search results (for one thing, you would never order it by relevance). But if collapse is well thought through, I think it could be useful to apply "collapse" to any list of threads, including the results (if accurate) of posts by a member, and even including the message list itself [ADD], thus potentially taking the place of the "message view"/"threads view" toggle.

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locked Re: problem: edited date wipes out date posted #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 06:18 am, Duane wrote:
believe this was done to minimize the impact on mobile users by "combining" the Edited button/icon and the posted date/time.

It was done after I (and others?) complained that the "Edited" badge was too prominent. I liked the solution of moving it down to the bottom with the rest of the basic info. But I didn't realize at the time, because I was looking at one individual message rather than the list, that the original posted dates are now missing in that location. I find that very bothersome.
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locked Re: problem: edited date wipes out date posted #suggestion

Duane
 

I personally don't see a reason for the original post date/time on the Messages View. If an edit has been made, then I'm interested in the correct(ed) information and when it was posted to make sure I've seen it. It doesn't change the sort order as far as I can tell, still uses the original date/time on the view.

I believe this was done to minimize the impact on mobile users by "combining" the Edited button/icon and the posted date/time.

Duane


locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

Maria
 

When you collapse threads there is a problem and not all messages the member has posted /or threads they posted in, remain on the pages. 

So like if non collapsed shows you a member who had posted from December til now, collapsed only shows a briefer period. 

I like being able to collapse here because I can get an overview, but something isn't working. 

Maria 


locked Re: Hidden e-mail truncation in ellipses when clicked

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 08:10 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
There is a proposal to make the "fig-leaf" optional on a group basis

This is not just a proposal. Mark has said at least twice that he plans on implementing it but just hasn't gotten around to it yet. 
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locked Re: Hidden e-mail truncation in ellipses when clicked

 

Brenda,

So yes, if Mark can eliminate the use of even the figleafed e-mail in
the quoted part, even when hiddedn by ellipses, and only use the display
or screen name, that would solve a lot of the problem.
Eliminating email addresses altogether from the site's pages, including in message bodies and quotes, is something that was discussed at length as "Anonymous" groups - but that topic goes much further and also eliminates them from emails sent to members.

Currently the site "fig-leafes" (hides the domain part of) email addresses in message bodies (including quotes) when pages are seen by non-moderators. This is the same as what what Y!Groups do.

There is a proposal to make the "fig-leaf" optional on a group basis; implementing that option would show the entire email address to members (but not non-members, in groups with public archives).

So far as I'm aware there isn't a proposal to go the other way, and remove entire email addresses from message bodies as shown on site, without going all the way to "Anonymous".


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

In fact, I now notice that the feature is also allowing "collapse threads." It seems to be treating "all posts by this member" like any other search.

I don't think that's right. I think it should simply display all posts by the member, no threads, no "relevance" sort, no collapsing. I don't think people are (generally? could be wrong) interested in "all threads this member has posted in," or the relevance sort (what would that even mean?). I personally am just looking for their messages, period. I don't see it as a search in the sense of searching for a term. Right? Isn't it possible to easily produce all the posts by a given member without resorting to the search software?
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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Brenda,

AH, I get it. You mean instead of writing down a number on a notepad, I
could "mark" the post somehow and it would appear in a list of posts I
want to reply to or read better later.

That would not be a bad idea, I would probably still use my system of
numbers, but it sounds like it would be really convenient for mobile
users especially, and anyone else who doesn't want to use message
numbers to reply to later.
An advantage to having a "Star" (or "bookmark") system within the site are the features Maria mentioned in starting the thread:

"I'd love the ability to sort the bookmarks by author, date, or hashtag
or even to be able to categorize these posts in a way that feels useful
to me.

Also to be able to search from within the bookmarks for specific terms."

Those things are more tedious to do with paper notes, or even with browser-based bookmarks. But yes, you can always use paper notes too.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Chat: tied to an event, a message thread, or its own section? #suggestion

 

Maria,

It's hard to make documentation when things are in flux, but when the
dust settles, I am happy to share with Mark anything that we may write
up internally for our group in the event that those FAQ's should be
helpful. Maybe if other groups also write instructions and materials
they can share.
One and all are invited to take from, be inspired by, or even (especially) contribute to GMF's Wiki - I'm trying to encourage two types of info there: Advice moderators can give to their members, and Advice for moderators by other moderators.

So far it is pretty basic, so there's plenty of room for anyone who feels inspired to contribute.

What would be great is a collection of screen videos so that things can
be shown/explained visually and by voice - maybe those can be linked to
the written help pages.
That would be nice. It is a bit outside of my ken: I do screen shots but I've not learned to do screen videos. I might have to hire one of those robot voices to narrate.

I've discovered that I can place a screen shot in my group's photos section and use the code view feature to place it on a Wiki page, but GMF's wiki is public and the photos cannot be, so perhaps I'd have to use Flickr or a site like that to host any images on wiki pages - at least until a photo tool appears there. Same thing, I suspect, for video clips: they'd have to be hosted externally to Groups.io but maybe could be referenced from a Wiki page.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Catlady, NO! Don't you touch my Message # Box, it's finally working!

Hoot! (*Bangs fists on desk*...;)

Brenda


locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

Posts crossing. Ok.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 5:06 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

there currently isn't a message # search box on mobile. I was saying the balance on desktop between the two boxes is off. 

Maria 



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locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 04:40 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
a pop-up was motivated primarily by lack of room in the mobile interface.

If the lack of space on mobile has anything to do with the msg# box, I'd go back to Plan A on that one. The search box is more important than the msg # box given their relative usage.
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locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

Maria
 

J

there currently isn't a message # search box on mobile. I was saying the balance on desktop between the two boxes is off. 

Maria 


locked "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

I happened to notice that if "relevance" was last checked in a search, "all posts by this member" brings up the member's posts in a some date order presumably honoring a "relevance" function. Obviously, "relevance" has no "relevance" in that situation. Needs to be turned off.
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locked Re: weird, disproportionate sizes of magnifying glass vs. msg# box #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 04:40 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I agree with you on desktop.

I think Maria is looking at it on mobile and agrees it's weird there, too (unless her comments were about desktop?). Since the paths have diverged again(?), I can't say anything about mobile. 
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