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locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian wrote:>>I have never said that message numbers or message number searches should go away.The only way any user becomes more sophisticated is to learn and to observe how more sophisticated users actually do things. Those who absolutely refuse to do so, and they do exist, will get dismissal from me because that's what willful ignorance deserves.<<

Excuse me, but I agree with Shal here, you are being unnecessarily hurtful here.

I am quite sophisticated, very computer literate, and even use things like DOS and VI. But it is my choice to read groups on any site, by writing the message numbers down as I read, and then going back in to use them to reply.

So I would appreciate it if you would not imply that I'm ignorant because of how I choose to use the site.

Thank you,

Brenda


locked Re: Problem with Search Function

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian wrote:>>I doubt that there are many users who do not use message view who even know that message numbers exist. They're a weirdness as far as I'm concerned, and when I've seen reference to them in the past my reaction was, "What's that? Why not just provide the click through link."<<

Weirdness?? I hope you mean the message numbers, and not those who use them. ;)

If I didn't have the message numbers, I'd have a horrid time following and reading in here. I read, on the site, write down the message numbers, and then later, enter the message number to reply.

Sometimes I'll reply without writing a number, right then, but most of the time I don't.

And on the Yahoo group, there were a lot of others who found them important. To me, the message numbers are one of the most important features on here, I couldn't do anything as easily without them.

And like Shal, if I can't find it somehow, I look in the view source header to get it.

Brenda


locked Re: Proposal: New Reply To option

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>(Whew, dodged a bullet: autocorrect tried to give me "Antonymous Group". The mind boggles at what that might have done. It must be late.)<<

I hear you there. I've been reading in here since post # 7829 all evening, night and now into the wee hours of the morning....it's 3:23 a.m. St.Louis time. But I got really concerned when I discovered my main domain e-mail address I use in here was listed in a Google search. Since that point I've been unable to stop reading, but I really need to get to bed too soon, because it's still a long way from reaching the top message.

Brenda


locked Hidden e-mail truncation in ellipses when clicked

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

When I checked out catlady's reply to me in message #10022, and click on the three dots ellipses, I still see my fig-leafed e-mail address. Is this something else to check, when the e-mail is ellipsed, does that show? It shows both Feathered Leader, and the truncated e-mail, and I would like it only to show Feathered Leader.

And this isn't something you missed, I just posted this tonight.

Please check it out, thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: private archives

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>And I'll simply reiterate that there is no good reason to make anyone believe that the conditions that were prevailing when they joined will necessarily be the same that prevail "in perpetuity."<<

I completely disagree here. If a group is labelled private, there is no reason whatsoever for a user to expect it would ever become public. That would be a huge unethical situation.

Yahoo had the same problems, and one was more serious than the other. First, a freecyle group went public by accident and everyone's personal information was posted. Let's just say, they scrambled to cover their u-know-what on that one.

But worse yet, another Yahoo group went public, this one was for abused women. It was a forum used to help women seeking to leave her abuser and get them help and resources. When it was accidentally made public by NEO, people's lives were in danger, and the group sued Yahoo, if I remember correctly. If I am not remembering correctly, I do know Yahoo was in big trouble for it.

Despite the fact that Yahoo was the fault, in that case, if some rogue moderator got the notion to get back at the group, they could conceivably reverse it and put people in danger. I say keep it irreversible, and if they need a public group at some point, make another one.'

But never, never give someone the opportunity to suddenly reverse a group setting to expose "private" information.

Never.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

 

But again. It's top posted and the email address in that situation is hidden within ellipses.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:28 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Shal wrote:>>But I tend not to use the web interface much and I hadn't really noticed until now that the "Insert Quoted Message" button in the web Reply feature inserts the usual quote heading, but with the email address spelled out in full.<<

Exactly. And since I post almost exclusively from the website, that's how the e-mail address I use in here on my main domain got into a Google search. That is the only place is appears, is being quoted on here.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda


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locked Re: Email Hide And Seek Final

Nightowl >8#
 

Here is what concerns me about profile name:

"Your short profile name. Must be unique, with no punctuation or spaces. If you set a profile name, your profile becomes public; people will be able to view your profile at groups.io/profile/profilename."

This is what appears in the Profile tab.

I have not, to my knowledge, set a profile name, but featheredleader is in the box for the profile name.

I'm fine with featheredleader being my shortened name to use, but I am not fine with my profile becoming public.

Please explain this to me, thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: Email Hide And Seek Final

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

Can we request that you use a handle or name but not have to have a profile set up?

I want to make sure my e-mail address is altered.

Brenda


locked Re: Email Hide And Seek Final

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>Did I miss anything? Speak now or, umm, speak later. :-)<<

Sorry I'm speaking so much later, but I think this is a good idea. It will protect e-mail addresses from being quoted in full, or sent out in full when the user doesn't want them to be.

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: "FROM" header in digest and "insert quote" displays full email address

Nightowl >8#
 

Maria wrote:>>2- The "insert quote" button via web carries over the entire email address of the OP. This relates to our prior thread but perhaps can have separate behavior and just insert the user's profile name?<<

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>Done.<<

Thank you Mark! This would have prevented my non-public main domain e-mail address used on here from getting out on Google. Hopefully I won't have any problems with it, but it''s nice to know that now it would be protected if I changed it.

Brenda


locked Re: Feature Request - Direct to Messages/Calendar/Photo Page for "Your Groups"

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>It would be nice to have the visual representation of the group you are in echoed in each page so you feel you are in a the specific environment you want to be. <<

I completely agree, even a thumbnail photo of the one from your Home page would be helpful in knowing exactly which group we are in. They all look alike at this point. I'm praying and hoping some day Mark might allow us to customize the interfaces with color and photos like Classic Groups did, so that each group is unique at first sight and there's no mix ups.

Brenda


locked Re: "FROM" header in digest and "insert quote" displays full email address

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>> The other side of that is that many of us have built successful, safe, and
effective communities by using products like Y! and other similar services.<<
Exactly. And once upon a time, Yahoo Classic Groups were the best thing around. Then they destroyed it. We don't want Groups.io to be anything like the new "improved" Yahoo, (Which was anything but), we want it to be like the old Yahoo, when it actually worked and was the best thing around.

Groups.io is definitely better, and more improved than even the old Yahoo. But I agree with Maria, people want an easy transition to a new platform, and familiarity always helps.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>But I tend not to use the web interface much and I hadn't really noticed until now that the "Insert Quoted Message" button in the web Reply feature inserts the usual quote heading, but with the email address spelled out in full.<<

Exactly. And since I post almost exclusively from the website, that's how the e-mail address I use in here on my main domain got into a Google search. That is the only place is appears, is being quoted on here.

Thanks Shal,

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

 

We're revisiting a discussion long since past, and for which Mark has said he's made a decision on, but why not. I'm game. So do fig leafing only in public-archive groups. The troublemakers from your past can't get your email address from a private group unless they're in it - even from the archives. Or fig leaf only email addresses that occur as part of a quoted message header. I doubt even that's necessary because of the ellipses currently employed in top posts. These troublemakers would have to go to a whole lot of trouble, going through all the ellipses in the archives.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:03 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

J wrote:>>Since I now understand the "quoting" issue, perhaps it's possible for the system to automatically mask only those email addresses that appear as part of a quoted message header. (But again: they still appear in emails, so what's really the point...)<<

The point is that an e-mail address that I didn't want out there in the public, got out there in the public because it was Quoted in it's entirety by posts in here in Beta.

The troublemakers in my past are not in my group, nor would they ever be allowed into it, so e-mail showing the full address isn't a problem. BUT, they could get the e-mail off of here and start harassing me again.

That is what is completely unacceptable for me.

Brenda


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locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

J wrote:>>Since I now understand the "quoting" issue, perhaps it's possible for the system to automatically mask only those email addresses that appear as part of a quoted message header. (But again: they still appear in emails, so what's really the point...)<<

The point is that an e-mail address that I didn't want out there in the public, got out there in the public because it was Quoted in it's entirety by posts in here in Beta.

The troublemakers in my past are not in my group, nor would they ever be allowed into it, so e-mail showing the full address isn't a problem. BUT, they could get the e-mail off of here and start harassing me again.

That is what is completely unacceptable for me.

Brenda


locked Re: Email address hide-n-seek

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian wrote:>>I still challenge anyone who's been using an given e-mail address for more than a couple of months to do a Google search on that address, not your name, but on that address and see what comes back. Anyone who believes that e-mail addresses don't virtually immediately "enter the wild" just by normal use is simply not paying attention.<<

Done.

The two secondary public e-mail addresses I use on Yahoo's domain show up where I expect them to.

My main e-mail address and most others on my main domain do NOT show up anywhere.

However, the one I use on here on that domain, has shown up in exactly the manner that Shal explained...being used as part of a quoted passage on groups.io. NO WHERE ELSE.

This is not something I am at all happy about, so I'm firmly with Shal. When you include a quoted message in your reply, it puts in the entire e-mail of the person quoted UNLESS you remove it, or as I did above, change how you present a quote.

I want my e-mail address hidden everywhere except e-mail, and I explicitly do not want it showing up on a public archive unmasked. I go to great lengths to protect my main domain e-mail addresses from being linked to my name because of problematic people in my past, and I've done that really well until it happened here. Not acceptable for me.

I hope I'm not to late to add my opinion, I'm still catching up in here, but this is something I feel very strongly about.

Thanks,

Brenda
Nightowl >8#


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

 

Brian,

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

someone has to be the cultural arbiter to get the culture established.

Which is impossible if the feature currently blasts the word "Optional" at the user, the box is at the very bottom, etc. Remember my group member who left in a huff, claiming that I "couldn't" make it required and the word "optional" proved it? 

I also disagree that the archives on many groups, not all, but many, are not a mess secondary to issues that could be solved by judicious editing and moderation 

Here we actually agree. I see no need to keep all posts in the archives forever. I remove many that are trivial and just take up space, or that could potentially cause problems or confusion later. However, having been forced to disable editing in my group (as many other groups have done for similar reasons - HINT, HINT), I now feel I must minimize editing as moderator to be more "fair" and not abuse the "extra" powers I have or I risk annoying the group members. If the feature is improved in the future to the point where I feel it's usable, I'll go back to more editing of the archives as well.

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It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Editing a post resulting in duplicate messages to e-mail subscribers

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 05:37 pm, J_catlady wrote:
A delay is extremely distasteful to me as well.

 Just as an aside, there's one built-in to e-mail posting whether you want it or not.  In doing my testing regarding the duplicate and triplicate posts for "that other thread" I found that there is a very distinct delay between when you send your message, when it appears on the web interface, and when you get that message back in your inbox as part of the thread.  

Even though we disagree, I just don't see what the big deal is about a brief hold that allows callback of a post when done on the web forum.  It goes on its own, with no further intervention, if you don't call it back.  Like I said, the hold could be very brief as far as I'm concerned, under a minute before it goes "into the wild."  

That's never going to happen, and I've accepted it.  I've also accepted that if one really feels the need to edit messages that the result is duplicate messages (in the most part) and that one should, particularly if editing fairly long after the original post went live, definitely note the reason.  I stand by my position that if I make an edit thirty seconds after the initial post one is not necessary.  Any e-mail user should recognize the latter of two "rapid succession" messages to be the "final version."

I also disagree that the archives on many groups, not all, but many, are not a mess secondary to issues that could be solved by judicious editing and moderation where certain ultra-cluttering quotation of material not referred to in any way in a follow-up message is strictly forbidden.  Of course, we're now back to my bit saying this should be a cultural expectation, and it should, but someone has to be the cultural arbiter to get the culture established.

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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

Yes, you can bookmark via browser and these features are available via browser - not debating that. But it doesn't feel the same as doing so within the space of the interface: it’s a drag on mobile, it takes several steps instead of one click, not everyone likes/wants to sign in to their browser, even if they do sign in, not every computer they may use has same browser, they may use different browsers in different places (work vs home), bookmarks in your browser will never look/feel like the interface you are bookmarking in design-wise, many people don’t have the time or patience to organize their browser bookmarks well in to folders, many web forums (old and new generation) also have a “bookmark” feature - it’s nothing new,  maybe one simply wants to bookmark something so you can read it later and then remove the bookmark easily with one click (like facebook's "saved" section), maybe you are on mobile and you are skimming threads quickly and you just want to click one button ( as you do the "like button) on the interface so you can find that post/thread later and read it in detail and then remove it from your “saved/bookmarked” list, and again, I think that a “bookmarked" section would go very well with a “favorites” and things you’ve “liked", as well as things you follow if you aren’t an “all messages” person.

Maria


locked Re: New problems with edit function in test version on web

 

I've had severe editing problems recently also, and not just in the test version. Font sizes in a wiki page reverted to humongous even after I edited them by hand and was shown the correct-sized font before the save. Messages going into the approval queue lose all formatting, as far as I can see. I'd given up and resorted to re-formatting them by hand, to the extent possible. I don't remember the details. From what I recall, font sizes go whacko, bullet points are lost, and spacing goes crazy.
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