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locked Re: Consolidated bad search thread

 

To keep things in the same thread, I'm adding a new #3: improve the relevance sort or get rid of it. It should make 'exact match' trump all approximate matches but it doesn't.  That's probably just for starters, but I didnt check it out further once I saw that. I have no confidence in the function as it stands now.

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On Jul 18, 2016, at 12:01 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark, I just tried "all posts by this member" to check on Maria's complaint, and I see that relevance sort and collapsing are both now gone. So delete #3.:-)
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locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

It defaults to relevance if relevance was the last search. If it gets put back and there is no search term this would have to be 'forgotten.'

I don't like it, but I've never liked the relevance function. Whatever it is, it seems not to reflect true 'relevance,' including even whether or not the term matches exactly - which would (naively) seem to merit the most weight for relevance but does not seem to weighted or even recognized by the function, at least according to the few times I've used it.

In fact, I would add to the list of 'bad search experiences' a faulty or weak relevance function. If it's improved, then I'd agree with restoring it in this situation.

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On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

Mark,

All posts by this member is implemented as a search filter. Which means
you can then include a search term with it and search within all posts
by the member.

I've removed the Relevance sort and Collapse Threads option for now. But
you can definitely make the argument that they should be there when
adding a search term.
I'd put both back, for that reason.

Arguably you could disable ("grey out") Relevance if the user hasn't added a search term to the filter.

A reasonable expectation for Collapse Threads is that it would list all threads which contain at least one message by that member. In some cases that will be both more useful (because it is more concise) than the list of messages.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum



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locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

Mark,

All posts by this member is implemented as a search filter. Which means
you can then include a search term with it and search within all posts
by the member.

I've removed the Relevance sort and Collapse Threads option for now. But
you can definitely make the argument that they should be there when
adding a search term.
I'd put both back, for that reason.

Arguably you could disable ("grey out") Relevance if the user hasn't added a search term to the filter.

A reasonable expectation for Collapse Threads is that it would list all threads which contain at least one message by that member. In some cases that will be both more useful (because it is more concise) than the list of messages.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Consolidated bad search thread

 

I also realized my hypothesis about it possibly being meant as "search within results" is wrong. It doesn't budge the second time. Just sits there.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 8:16 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

Second this.

I just tried this. Worked ok the first time. Didn't let me search a new term 2nd and third time - unless i go back to messages and click search all over again.

Maria



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locked Re: Consolidated bad search thread

Maria
 

Second this.

I just tried this. Worked ok the first time. Didn't let me search a new term 2nd and third time - unless i go back to messages and click search all over again.

Maria


locked Re: Consolidated bad search thread

 
Edited

I think I found a big, squishy bug: I click on the icon, which brings up the search box. I type in my search term and hit search and the results come up. So far so good. However, if I type a different search term in the box and hit search again, nothing happens. The results stay the same as for the first term. Instead, I have to go back into the messages list, hit the icon to bring up the box again, and start over. I tried this several times, in several different groups.

EDIT p.s.: If this is because it's meant to be a search within results, then I think that should be an option and not the default. It's nonintuitive this way IMO.

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locked Re: Message Header colour no longer changes after reading

John P
 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:16 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This should be restored now.

Thanks,
Mark 

 And a huge thank you from me Mark,

John P


locked Re: Edit title and body

Duane
 

Moderators already have that ability. Before it's approved or after.

Duane


locked Re: Transfer Partial List of Messages from Another Groups #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote in post #9840>>Quoting David Neither do I see a way to perform a bulk deletion from a groups.io group. Shal replied: Nope. Here's another person with the same request:
https://groups.io/g/beta/thread/494463<<

There is one idea I have that might bypass that issue. If you had the entire message archive transferred over here to groups.io and put into a subgroup, read only, then they could save their own messages that they want from it, and you could have a deadline to get them all, and once everyone has what they wanted, you can have the subgroup deleted.

Hope this helps,

Brenda


locked Re: Embed/Insert a groups.io into a webpage

Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

@Mark what do you think about this?


locked Re: Bulk operations for merge #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 


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Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

Country flag like some forum like this one
http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=20


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Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 05:28 am, HR Tech wrote:


Maybe this goes hand in hand with this item on my wishlist:

https://groups.io/g/beta/message/9122?p=Created,,drop+down+hasthtags,20,2,0,5328989

Would be great to have a dropdown list of available hashtags in:

edit subject

pending messages

new topic

So we can encourage users to hashtag with available moderator defined hashtags
or we can add them to a post in pending of after the fact easily without
having to recall what the available hashtags are in a our group.
News?


locked Re: Edit title and body

Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 08:06 am, Duane wrote:

Only a moderator should be able to edit the title, but everyone should be able
to edit their own posts.
But when a moderator edit post, he must have the possibility to change to the the title.


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Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 12:18 pm, Benoît Dumeaux wrote:


Infinite scroll please.
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locked Re: Consolidated bad search thread

 

Brenda,

I'm sorry you're having to live through all that. You don't sound uptight or strung out at all.  

Bearing the mind the understanding that this thread (I think) is meant for us to lead Mark to problems, rather than to suggest another redesign (which he has already done, to at least my satisfaction), I don't think there's anything wrong with your idea of a "thread title search." But we've been through this. A thread search that only searches for thread titles is not sufficient (and, I personally feel, not very useful). And the current search already returns those threads, included with the messages.

I think the "collapse" function is great, because it gives users a handle on the threads if that's what they need (to merge, close, or whatever), or the individual messages themselves if that's what they're most interested in. You still get the title matches in either view. So while I see nothing particularly wrong with your idea, I don't see a problem that would justify implementing a "thread title search."

My two cents. See signature line.

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Nightowl >8#
 

POSTING DISCLAIMER: I live near Ferguson and have been really really anxious and stressed about the recent police shootings & protests (yes, they're back at it even here), so if anything I post or reply to today sounds uptight or strung out, it's only about the current events going on and not whatever I'm posting about. Thanks in advance for understanding. - - Brenda

Mark,

Okay, my ideas for search.

My initial thought is to make Threads and Messages two completely different kinds of searches. Here's how:

If for example, I'm searching for the word Ferguson in my group, what if the general search ONLY applied to the word in any individual post in that group, regardless of what thread it was in?

So for example, a search on the word Ferguson in any view, would produce every single instance in any post at all, thread title or message body, in whatever order I wanted it to. By date ascending, date descending, or even like Catlady mentioned, by date specified.

I honestly don't know what use relevance has, because relevance wouldn't be attached to a single word without a qualifier, I would think. But whatever works.

Then, instead of trying to create a search in Threads that would return the same exact results as the general search, maybe it would be better to create a Thread Title Search for when you want to find any specific thread.

As for search returning parts of words, there is a qualifier I've seen (maybe on our local newspaper search), that has the function "match word & case exactly" and that leaves out the 'ings and 'esses and etc.

And of course, if you put something in quotes, that should always qualify an exact match as well.

My biggest question is, would, for example, a search on Ferguson work if in fact it also had a hashtag symbol in front, #Ferguson like it appears on Twitter. I'm curious how that would be done.

In a little while, I'll try some searches on my group and see what I get as well. Just haven't had any time lately to do much, we were having car issues, which was why I got so behind, but hopefully that crisis is over now, as we have a new 2016 Dodge Challenger.

Will do my best to stay caught up better in here from this point on.
Thank you in advance for your understanding

Brenda


locked Re: Message Header colour no longer changes after reading

 

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM, John P <vantravel50@...> wrote:

The members of our group really liked the feature that Mark implemented some time ago which had the message header colour change after that message had been read.


This should be restored now.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

Mark,

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:02 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've removed the Relevance sort and Collapse Threads option for now. But you can definitely make the argument that they should be there when adding a search term. 

I just saw that. Posts are crossing. :-)

I do like the idea of the combined search term with posterid. The problem was that the results were all screwy without a search term.

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locked Re: "all posts by this member" ordered by "relevance" #bug

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:47 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I didn't check that out. In general, I'm not sure what the "collapse threads" feature was meant to be applied to. I thought it was a brilliant idea on Mark's part but I understood it only to apply to search results. "All posts by this member" is inherently different from a list of search results (for one thing, you would never order it by relevance).


All posts by this member is implemented as a search filter. Which means you can then include a search term with it and search within all posts by the member.

I've removed the Relevance sort and Collapse Threads option for now. But you can definitely make the argument that they should be there when adding a search term.

Thanks,
Mark
 

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