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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Steph Mathews
 

No hashtags please?  Thanks!

 

Have a blessed day!  Steph

 

From: Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:20 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] New notifications proposal #misc

 

Hi All,

I've started working on notifications again. I had not been very happy with my last proposal, from before the Yahoo Groups apocalypse. I think I've come up with a better solution. Please let me know what you think of this:

  • Every notification gets a hashtag. This is already the case with #cal-invite and a few others, but, for example, the moderator notifications don't currently have associated hashtags.
  • Users have been able to mute hashtags since the beginning, which means no email. Now, also make it so that users can check a box to turn a hashtag into a web/app notification.

So, walking through a few examples:

  • Pending subscriber notification. It's currently an email sent to individual moderators, controlled by an option on your subscription. It gets a hashtag, say #pendingsub. Now, moderators can mute that and/or turn it into a web/app notification (and the option on your subscription goes away).
  • Calendar invites. They have the hashtag #cal-invite, and the emails are sent to the group. People can mute those, and now they can also turn them into a notification. The invites still get sent to the group and still appear in the archives and people can still reply to them.
  • Chat messages. These don't currently have any notifications. So, a new hashtag would (perhaps) be #chatmsgs. It would be an email sent to people who are subscribed to a chat and who are not currently logged into the chat when the message was sent. People could instead/in addition to turn it into a notification.

This has an advantage that people could now get notifications on any group hashtag as well.

I would modify the existing Hashtags group sidebar to add the ability to turn on/off notifications.

Some notes:

  • As I add additional group notifications (like some database/file/photo changes that people have been asking for), that means more notifications will appear in the group archives.
  • I haven't thought about whether we'd need some sort of aggregation option.
  • I haven't thought about how to decide what appears in the new Notifications feed.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark

 


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Robert Oshel
 

I agree with Dave.  Let us avoid hashtags if we don't want them.

  Bob


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 4:28 PM Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:
Can we optionally turn these off? For many of us hashtags are just
superfluous fluff at the end of message subjects. I can filter things
with my email filters, I don't need hashtags as well.

Dave

On 18 May 2020 at 13:20, Mark Fletcher wrote:

> - Every notification gets a hashtag.


http://davesergeant.com





moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:
Can we optionally turn these off? For many of us hashtags are just
superfluous fluff at the end of message subjects. I can filter things
with my email filters, I don't need hashtags as well.

There are currently no plans to add the ability to turn off hashtags.

Mark 


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Dave Sergeant
 

Can we optionally turn these off? For many of us hashtags are just
superfluous fluff at the end of message subjects. I can filter things
with my email filters, I don't need hashtags as well.

Dave

On 18 May 2020 at 13:20, Mark Fletcher wrote:

- Every notification gets a hashtag.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated New notifications proposal #misc

 

Hi All,

I've started working on notifications again. I had not been very happy with my last proposal, from before the Yahoo Groups apocalypse. I think I've come up with a better solution. Please let me know what you think of this:

  • Every notification gets a hashtag. This is already the case with #cal-invite and a few others, but, for example, the moderator notifications don't currently have associated hashtags.
  • Users have been able to mute hashtags since the beginning, which means no email. Now, also make it so that users can check a box to turn a hashtag into a web/app notification.

So, walking through a few examples:

  • Pending subscriber notification. It's currently an email sent to individual moderators, controlled by an option on your subscription. It gets a hashtag, say #pendingsub. Now, moderators can mute that and/or turn it into a web/app notification (and the option on your subscription goes away).
  • Calendar invites. They have the hashtag #cal-invite, and the emails are sent to the group. People can mute those, and now they can also turn them into a notification. The invites still get sent to the group and still appear in the archives and people can still reply to them.
  • Chat messages. These don't currently have any notifications. So, a new hashtag would (perhaps) be #chatmsgs. It would be an email sent to people who are subscribed to a chat and who are not currently logged into the chat when the message was sent. People could instead/in addition to turn it into a notification.

This has an advantage that people could now get notifications on any group hashtag as well.

I would modify the existing Hashtags group sidebar to add the ability to turn on/off notifications.

Some notes:

  • As I add additional group notifications (like some database/file/photo changes that people have been asking for), that means more notifications will appear in the group archives.
  • I haven't thought about whether we'd need some sort of aggregation option.
  • I haven't thought about how to decide what appears in the new Notifications feed.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Database Row Ownership

jay@...
 

+1 very similar to the reasons I listed on #24698  


moderated Re: Formatting doesn't show headings in emails #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 03:41 PM, David Weintraub wrote:
This should be a heading
So the only thing that you have tried that doesn't work is headings if I follow your message correctly.  I've done some testing on my own test group and these markdown commands work fine for me

# Heading 1 
## Heading 2

Regards,
Andy


moderated Formatting doesn't show headings in emails #bug

David Weintraub
 

Maybe this is something I have set wrong in my group, but certain formatting doesn't show up in the resulting emails. Headings don't show up as headings, but plain text. I notice this in the Markdown editor.

This should be a heading

But it shows up as plain text in emails

Bold and italics works, but code doesn't.

I haven't tried this line as code, but we'll see if this shows up as code.

Lists do work, and so do sublists. I haven't tried tables.

I have a webpage, and several articles are mailed out per week using RSS integration. Plus, I put together a weekly bulletin. These really need the ability to see headings, quoted text, etc.


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Jim,

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:21 PM, Jim Avera wrote:
(That being said, always putting "via Groups.io" in the From username sounds like a good idea.)

"via Groups.io" is added when the headers have to be rewritten due to DMARC requirements so it signifies that something specific has happened not just as an eye-catcher.

Referring back to your first message:

we can avoid spam from people who wrongly "reply to all" (as many are wont to do by habit),

If your members are doing something 'wrong' out of habit, isn't a bit of education required?

Andy

 


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Jim Avera
 

For us, the problem is so severe that we would rather loose iron-clad traceability in order to completely disable "reply to list".

The [grouptag] prefix on the Subject: line is enough for humans to know a message originated from the list, and in the unlikely event of malicious messages we could see what is happening by looking at the raw headers.

(That being said, always putting "via Groups.io" in the From username sounds like a good idea.)


moderated Re: Database Row Ownership

Mike S <mikethebiguy@...>
 

+1 to this. We have a membership database and the information is initially entered by our moderators before the new member is added. This means our moderators will also have to make any updates to the database.

Being able to transfer ownership to the member would remove an obstacle for our members and make the database more reliable.


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Jeremy H
 

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:47 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 05:10 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Now, to what I think you're asking: is there a way to disable Reply All in email clients. I think the answer is yes, if I re-write the To line in messages so that, instead of being the group email address, the To line is the recipient of the email message. Then the group email address would not appear anywhere in the message headers and Reply All would not send the message to the group. But, I think this would make it very difficult for someone to determine if a message they received was sent to them via the group or just by someone replying to a message the person originally sent to the group. I think this would be confusing. Thoughts?
Being able to determine that a message came from the group rather than direct from another person can give a level of confidence in the authenticity of the message and I would not want to lose that.

Andy
and the 'via Groups.io' that (currently) sometimes appears in the 'From' field achieves that: I would suggest that it always should.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Suggestion

Jeremy H
 

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 02:09 AM, Margo Seegrist wrote:
Hi there,

Is there any way to not only have the pages at the bottom of the Photos but also at the top?  That way if we know we need to go to page 4, we don't have to scroll all the way down.
 
I don't want them removed from the bottom - just shown in both places for those who prefer the bottom and if we are specifically looking for something but don't have a page number for it.
 
Sincerely,
 
Rli@...

 And also, I would suggest, in many other places, e,g. when looking at a topic. I do find it rather annoying to have to scroll all the down to the bottom of a page just to be able to get to the link to the next, and other, pages.

Jeremy


moderated Suggestion

Margo Seegrist
 

Hi there,

Is there any way to not only have the pages at the bottom of the Photos but also at the top?  That way if we know we need to go to page 4, we don't have to scroll all the way down.

I don't want them removed from the bottom - just shown in both places for those who prefer the bottom and if we are specifically looking for something but don't have a page number for it.

Sincerely,

Rli@...


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 05:10 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Now, to what I think you're asking: is there a way to disable Reply All in email clients. I think the answer is yes, if I re-write the To line in messages so that, instead of being the group email address, the To line is the recipient of the email message. Then the group email address would not appear anywhere in the message headers and Reply All would not send the message to the group. But, I think this would make it very difficult for someone to determine if a message they received was sent to them via the group or just by someone replying to a message the person originally sent to the group. I think this would be confusing. Thoughts?
Being able to determine that a message came from the group rather than direct from another person can give a level of confidence in the authenticity of the message and I would not want to lose that.

Andy


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Jim Avera
 

Hi Mark,

I hate to bug you but is a fix for this coming soon?

We've had to stop allowing direct (un-moderated) by anyone because many mail readers present "reply to list" as the default action, and the resulting junk messages have caused a few members to un-subscribe in disgust. 

At this point it's known that it is not a Cc: header but one of the others (probably List-Post: or List-Id:) which is causing the problem.

-Jim


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: We were linking to incorrect messages in the activity log when someone was removed for marking a non-message as spam.
  • CHANGE: Updates to the Members Manual.
  • CHANGE: Unbolded all labels on the website and unbolded all panel titles.
  • CHANGE: Various wording tweaks on the website to make things more consistent.
  • BUGFIX: Fix Zoom meeting integration behavior when the Oauth token expires.
  • BUGFIX: Generate a longer password when setting up a Zoom meeting.
  • BUGFIX: Fix redirect when asked to log in to a group that has a subdomain.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Reinstate previous version of groups home page on mobile devices #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 05:00 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Sorry about that. That was unintentional. The old mobile Groups page is back up. 
Perfect!  Thanks for the quick response.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Reinstate previous version of groups home page on mobile devices #suggestion

 

Hi All,

Sorry about that. That was unintentional. The old mobile Groups page is back up. 

I'm working on a new design for that page, but it's not done yet and was not supposed to be rolled out yet.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reinstate previous version of groups home page on mobile devices #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Duane

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:47 PM, Duane wrote:
Have you tried landscape mode?  It looks to me like those items only disappear when the screen is less than 750 pixels wide.
Landscape mode has no effect and I checked my default browser and another before posting about this.  It was perfectly fine in portrait mode on my Galaxy S7 Edge until recently.

Andy