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locked Re: Thread view?

Maria
 

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 04:35 pm, Jeff Powell wrote:
It's much easier to note if some new reply to a thread has been sent since you last looked. (Right now, if you don't remember the message count in that thread, you're out of luck and have to go look.)

I've also felt that it would be nice to have indicators of "new" activity and I'm fine with "new" being considered what's "new" since your last login or the last time your browser tab was clicked on. I feel there are options that are dynamic and not bothersome to help achieve this. Many ideas were shared in the various notification threads. Even something as simple as the counter on topics changing color if there is "new" activity since you last logged in. A text based statement at the top of the browser window, that may disappear after 3 mins to tell you how many new topics have been added, how many new replies... etc.  And there are many other ideas should a thread on this subject come up again.

Maria


locked Re: Thread view?

Maria
 

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 04:35 pm, Jeff Powell wrote:
What is missing is a thread view, that shows the first message and below that - indented - the replies to it. There might be multiple levels as well, of course, with replies to replies.

I can't say I "miss" that that particular way of viewing things is missing :)

I find the indented view of replies really rough on the eye and impossible on mobile.

I much prefer the flat thread view you get when you click on a topic subject - the way groups.io and discourse do it.

There is a whole movement to modernize message boards and I think getting rid of the indented view that you get with a traditional thread view is part of that.

Even Y! doesn't really offer that. They show threads as a flat reading experience - no indentations - and even collapse the in between replies so you have to expand then either one by one (or maybe there is an expand all option?)

I guess I'm not understanding the need or the benefit as I shy away from that view on platforms that offer it.

Maria


locked make format of search-results message-list match overall message-list #suggestion

 

I noticed today that search in general (including "all posts by this member") returns a message list that matches the old format, where (in particular) the word "Edited" appears alone below the message date, etc., taking up a whole line (as it used to before the format of the message list was changed). This seems odd and I wonder whether it's intentional or whether these lists got accidentally left out of the formatting change. It seems preferable, if possible, for the format to be constant even for subsets of the message list.
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locked Re: No indentation of quoted material in plain text #suggestion

 

 Just a clarification. Here I'm talking about replies from the web site with both 'Force HTML Emails' and 'Plain Text Only' unchecked. The message goes out with two alternatives: a plain text and an HTML version of the mail. When the reply has reply text interleaved with the original text quoted, the HTML alternative goes out as expected (with the original material indented and the new material not indented). However the plain text alternative has no indentation. The plain text alternative should be a plain text approximation of the HTML version and, therefore, should have similar indentation. Most people don't see the plain text version in ordinary emails unless their email client is set to show only the plain text alternative. I guess that the plain text digest has similar indentation problems.

David.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 04:20 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Slight amendment: I just discovered that on my iPhone, the text in the email does appear indented; it's only in email in safari on my laptop that the symbols appear instead (no indentation). Second, even in a group for which HTML has been disabled, you can indent text - any text, not just text selected before hitting "reply" - by using the '>' symbols. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



locked Re: Thread view?

 

jeffp,

Right now I can choose only 2 message views in the UI:
  • Messages View - which shows all the messages in time order
  • Topics View - which shows the first message and gives an indication of how many replies there are
There is also the other variations of Messages View: Expanded View, Polls View (a filter for messages with a Poll in them).

 What is missing is a thread view, that shows the first message and below
 that - indented - the replies to it. There might be multiple levels as
 well, of course, with replies to replies.

Apart from the lack of hierarchy, that's what you get when you click on a topic from Topics view.

I too would have preferred that Topic View were arranged to show the actual reply-to hierarchy of the messages.
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/366

 What a thread view allows is for user to have a better handle on what
 they have and haven't read. It's much easier to note if some new reply
 to a thread has been sent since you last looked. (Right now, if you
 don't remember the message count in that thread, you're out of luck and
 have to go look.)

I don't get that. I would expect the criticism would be the opposite: that hierarchy view makes it harder to find the new posts (because they may be hanging off the various branches of the conversation, not gathered at the bottom or top).

So maybe I don't have the right picture of what you're asking for.

 Actual BB systems track what you've read and haven't, so they can
 indicate things you've not yet seen. That might be interesting too, but
 may not be where groups.io is headed.

On the wishlist, but not coming soon.
https://trello.com/c/m1HaX8DC/18-keep-track-of-read-unread-messages-on-the-website

Shal


locked Re: Thread view?

 

I think this would be really useful.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...> wrote:

Looking at messages in any given group (in the UI... not in email) there is an issue of a sort. (And yes, this is UI only, not email related. If you're not interested in the UI you can ignore this thread.)

Right now I can choose only 2 message views in the UI:

  • Messages View - which shows all the messages in time order
  • Topics View - which shows the first message and gives an indication of how many replies there are

What is missing is a thread view, that shows the first message and below that - indented - the replies to it. There might be multiple levels as well, of course, with replies to replies.

What a thread view allows is for user to have a better handle on what they have and haven't read. It's much easier to note if some new reply to a thread has been sent since you last looked. (Right now, if you don't remember the message count in that thread, you're out of luck and have to go look.)

Actual BB systems track what you've read and haven't, so they can indicate things you've not yet seen. That might be interesting too, but may not be where groups.io is headed. But a thread view would be helpful, and since the system already show both topics and all the messages, it's effectively just a different sort order plus indentation in the display.

And yes, I fully understand that sort might be a nightmare. It might not be possible (or at least not practical). But speaking as someone that uses the digest version of beta and GMF, but reads the groups online to keep up when I can, such a display would be much appreciated. At least by me.

Thoughts?

--jeffp



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Thread view?

Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...>
 

Looking at messages in any given group (in the UI... not in email) there is an issue of a sort. (And yes, this is UI only, not email related. If you're not interested in the UI you can ignore this thread.)

Right now I can choose only 2 message views in the UI:

  • Messages View - which shows all the messages in time order
  • Topics View - which shows the first message and gives an indication of how many replies there are

What is missing is a thread view, that shows the first message and below that - indented - the replies to it. There might be multiple levels as well, of course, with replies to replies.

What a thread view allows is for user to have a better handle on what they have and haven't read. It's much easier to note if some new reply to a thread has been sent since you last looked. (Right now, if you don't remember the message count in that thread, you're out of luck and have to go look.)

Actual BB systems track what you've read and haven't, so they can indicate things you've not yet seen. That might be interesting too, but may not be where groups.io is headed. But a thread view would be helpful, and since the system already show both topics and all the messages, it's effectively just a different sort order plus indentation in the display.

And yes, I fully understand that sort might be a nightmare. It might not be possible (or at least not practical). But speaking as someone that uses the digest version of beta and GMF, but reads the groups online to keep up when I can, such a display would be much appreciated. At least by me.

Thoughts?

--jeffp



locked Re: Database problems

Linda Standart
 

Thanks, Duane.


locked Re: viewing digest on a phone #changelog

Susan Gabbay <susan.gabbay@...>
 

I am using an Android note 4 until the 7 stops combusting. I believe they are both using the plain digest.


On Sun, Sep 18, 2016, 10:32 AM Frances <travel@...> wrote:

One more thing - which digest format are you using? What does your subscription to this site show? Full featured or plain digest (no formatting)?

I am trying both in my test site. I use an iPhone 6S, newest updated operating system (iOS 10.01).

Frances


locked Re: viewing digest on a phone #changelog

Frances
 

One more thing - which digest format are you using? What does your subscription to this site show? Full featured or plain digest (no formatting)?

I am trying both in my test site. I use an iPhone 6S, newest updated operating system (iOS 10.01).

Frances


locked Re: viewing digest on a phone #changelog

Frances
 

Susan, what phone are you using? What operating system?

If it matches mine, I can test it. Or someone else in the group can.

Thanks.

Frances


locked viewing digest on a phone #changelog

Susan Gabbay <susan.gabbay@...>
 

I usually read my emails on the #phone and I find that one the digest opens it is quite small hand not easy to resize. 


locked Re: Database problems

 

We have the same problem in our group. I sometimes create the  initial row and then urge the members to fill in their details. I don't think anybody would be tempted to mess with another member's row, so I don't worry about it.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
If you created the database (or changed it) so that Members can edit rows, then nothing should change.  Keep in mind that they will be able to edit any row, not just their own.  The only way I know of to limit them to their own row is to set the database parameter to that and have them enter their information.

Duane





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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Database problems

Duane
 

If you created the database (or changed it) so that Members can edit rows, then nothing should change. Keep in mind that they will be able to edit any row, not just their own. The only way I know of to limit them to their own row is to set the database parameter to that and have them enter their information.

Duane


locked Database problems

Linda Standart
 

I have a group of people who are into the arts (not the same group as Jean Bennet's) many of whom are not very computer literate. The new restrictions on who may alter specific lines in a database are going to create problems'
I originated the databases with the member names and set up the information columns. The members were told to go to the database, find their name, click on the check box and then the View Row button which would then display windows where they could put in the required information and then click the update button

As I understand the new rules, just because their name is on the row does not mean they can open and edit the row that I created.  Is there any work around for this?  Is it possible for owners/moderators to specify that members may alter entry lines with their names on them,  even if they didn't create them in the first place?

Linda Standart


locked Re: No indentation of quoted material in plain text #suggestion

 

Slight amendment: I just discovered that on my iPhone, the text in the email does appear indented; it's only in email in safari on my laptop that the symbols appear instead (no indentation). Second, even in a group for which HTML has been disabled, you can indent text - any text, not just text selected before hitting "reply" - by using the '>' symbols. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: No indentation of quoted material in plain text #suggestion

 

p.s by "HTML has been disabled" I mean the "Plain Text Only" setting has been checked. 

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 2:04 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
This is perhaps a related issue (or not): In replying via the web to a post in a group for which HTML has been disabled, you can still select text before hitting "reply" to make the text indent. On the reply screen and in the resulting email, each line of the text you select is proceeded by the '>' sign. But the message on the web appears with the standard indentation.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: No indentation of quoted material in plain text #suggestion

 

This is perhaps a related issue (or not): In replying via the web to a post in a group for which HTML has been disabled, you can still select text before hitting "reply" to make the text indent. On the reply screen and in the resulting email, each line of the text you select is proceeded by the '>' sign. But the message on the web appears with the standard indentation.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked No indentation of quoted material in plain text #suggestion

 

Hello,

My group has been successfully transferred. Thank you so much! I figured out how add in-line responses to points in the original posts. I noticed that indentation was done using 'blockquote' in HTML alternatives. A minor point is that the indentation is shown with horizontal bars in some clients (e.g., Thunderbird). That's OK. However, the plain text alternative has no indentation at all, nor does it have the traditional '>' symbol in lieu of indentation. That makes replies hard to read for people reading messages in plain text.

My suggestion is to add indentation in the plain text alternative that is at least similar to that of the HTML alternative. Using '>' might not work, since it would be hard to distinguish levels of replies from the deliberate use of 'blockquote' for indentation.

I don't know yet how this works in digests, but the suggestion may apply there as well.


Thanks,

David.


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Maria
 

Happy Birthday!


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