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locked Re: showing list of groups in the profile (redux)

 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:51 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Sorry j started a new one,

That was a typo, not me talking about myself in the third person. ;) 
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locked Re: showing list of groups in the profile (redux)

 

Of course it should under user control. The issue is that even the option went away. The threads are now mixed up. A lot of this has already been said. Sorry j started a new one, hopefully Mark will merge them.
J


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On Oct 9, 2016, at 10:03 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:14 am, J_Catlady wrote:
showing the groups someone belongs to is a way for people in any given group to find out about related others.

My thoughts:  a) this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others and b) Should be up to the group owner if they want their group cross promoted  -  in the same way that you can control that on FB by controlling if your page is shown as a suggested page in similar pages. Not exactly the same - but like J, I've also never liked the way certain platforms market other groups to group members of similar groups.

I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.

Maria


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locked Re: "new world order" names clarification

Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:15 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Maria, do your comments apply to the new implementation? I'm looking for info on what Mark has called "the new world order." I was fairly clear about what was happening before that. Just checking. Thanks .  
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I think so... It's what i am seeing now. 

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locked Re: showing list of groups in the profile (redux)

Sue
 

Completely agree, Maria.

 

Sue

 

>My thoughts:  a) this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others and b) Should be up to the group owner if they want their group cross promoted  -  in the same way that you can control that on FB by controlling if your page is shown as a suggested page in similar pages.

>I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.


locked Re: showing list of groups in the profile (redux)

Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:14 am, J_Catlady wrote:
showing the groups someone belongs to is a way for people in any given group to find out about related others.

My thoughts:  a) this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others and b) Should be up to the group owner if they want their group cross promoted  -  in the same way that you can control that on FB by controlling if your page is shown as a suggested page in similar pages. Not exactly the same - but like J, I've also never liked the way certain platforms market other groups to group members of similar groups.

I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.

Maria


locked Re: "new world order" names clarification

 

Oh this is probably still messy... more later when I have time to look in detail. Things don't seem to match...

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On Oct 9, 2016, at 9:56 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:10 am, J_Catlady wrote:
They could be changed before, but they are called "names," not "display names" (EXCEPT in the dropdown search - perhaps this needs tweaking). I'm trying to get the names of the names clarified, as well as the correspondence (1-1 or otherwise) between profiles, groups, etc.

Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing ;)

In the profile area, it says "Display Name" and underneath "The name listed with your posts."

Where do you see display names called just "names"?

Maria


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locked Re: "new world order" names clarification

Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:10 am, J_Catlady wrote:
They could be changed before, but they are called "names," not "display names" (EXCEPT in the dropdown search - perhaps this needs tweaking). I'm trying to get the names of the names clarified, as well as the correspondence (1-1 or otherwise) between profiles, groups, etc.

Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing ;)

In the profile area, it says "Display Name" and underneath "The name listed with your posts."

Where do you see display names called just "names"?

Maria


locked Re: "new world order" names clarification

 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:01 am, HR Tech wrote:
As far as I can tell:

Maria, do your comments apply to the new implementation? I'm looking for info on what Mark has called "the new world order." I was fairly clear about what was happening before that. Just checking. Thanks .  
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locked showing list of groups in the profile (redux)

 

The previous thread took another turn so I'm making this a separate topic.

Another advantage to having been able to see a member's list of groups in their profile was that people could find out about other groups this way and join them. I myself have done that several times. Yahoo has that feature "other members of this group have joined bla bla groups" and they list the groups. Groups.io doesn't have this (and I never liked the feature anyway), but showing the groups someone belongs to is a way for people in any given group to find out about related others.
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locked Re: "new world order" names clarification

 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:01 am, HR Tech wrote:
would be great if a change to one's profile name or display name were stated as a change to their profile name or display name so we mods have clarity.

Changes to profile names are very clear in the log, and rare. What's weird is the very frequent log-entry called "changed name from x to x via email" (where literally, x and x are the same - no change - and there is no apparent change in the member or their name from looking at the page). It's always "by email," and it's almost always the first action by a new group member. Perhaps it means that they changed their name from [blank] to x? But how would they do that by email, anyway? I've never seen it say "changed name from x to x via the web." Something is fishy here, I think. :-) 

Display names can be changed per group.

They could be changed before, but they are called "names," not "display names" (EXCEPT in the dropdown search - perhaps this needs tweaking). I'm trying to get the names of the names clarified, as well as the correspondence (1-1 or otherwise) between profiles, groups, etc.

would be great if they were forced to be unique within a group ( the overall group at large) and for them to not be allowed to be blank. 

If they're forced to be unique, they could not (generally) be blank if anyone else's is blank.

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locked Re: "new world order" names clarification

Maria
 

As far as I can tell:

- Profile names cannot be changed

- Display names can be changed per group. It defaults to what you have in your main profile, but you can override it in the profile setting within a group. I am feeling iffy about this.. I wonder if within a group (and it's sub-groups) the display name can be checked by mods to be the same through out? I fear it might get confusing and tricky if we allow our members to have a different display name per group/sub-group. It may drive us nuts. Any way the group can be configured to not allow the display name to be different.For us the advantage of customizing profiles per group is to be able to select a different picture per group and to be able to have more info about your self in some groups rather than others. We don't want a member to be "Jack" in one group and "Steve" in a subgroup :)

- And yes, would be great if they were forced to be unique within a group ( the overall group at large) and for them to not be allowed to be blank. Perhaps the first thing that someone should be prompted to do when they first log in to a parent group and a subgroup is to customize their profile. That would be amazing so that they don't hav eto wonder how to do it, but rather are guided to do it. Like when you have a payment due on a platform, when you login, it notifies you of that.

Regarding J's point #3. I'm not following as have limited examples within my test group but would be great if a change to one's profile name or display name were stated as a change to their profile name or display name so we mods have clarity.

Maria




locked "new world order" names clarification

 

I have some questions about names in the new scheme, especially with respect to the correspondence between names, profiles, and groups. I would love to hear from Mark about all this, but thanks to anyone who can decipher these things or has checked them out.

1. Is it correct that currently (as previously) there is still only one "profile name" per account (even though there are now "multiple profiles)? 

2. Is it correct that currently (as previously) creating a "profile name" is optional? Or is a profile name now required, since privacy controls are in place?

3. Is the term "name" still used (instead of "full name" or "display name") for the name that is displayed for the account's posts in any particular group, regardless of the profile name? The phrase "changed name via email" is used in log entries (I still don't understand what this means - see next question), and the term "name" is used in the member's page within the member list; however, the term "changed display name" is used in the activity log dropdown. Which is the correct term now - "name" or "display name"?

4. What does the log entry "changed name via email" mean? I see for most new members, even though they seem not to have done anything and the name seems not to have changed.

5. Regarding Maria's comment in the other thread about making display names (or "names," which is what I think they're supposed to be called now, although some occurrences may have been missed) - making these names unique: I agree that they should be forced to be unique within a group. In particular, they should not allowed to be left blank (a bunch of blank names are not unique). This is a #suggestion or #wishlist item. I still find the names issue confusing and think that forcing a unique-per-group name (aka display name) would help matters.

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locked Re: No way to see own profile as others see it any more? Re: New profiles and member directory

Maria
 

Maybe there should see a toggle button to verify what your profile looks like to others/those defined by you who have permission to see it. So you can confirm/verify it's the way you want it or the changes?

Maria


locked No way to see own profile as others see it any more? Re: New profiles and member directory

 

It used to be that clicking on my profile would show me my profile as it appears to others. Now it takes me to the "edit profile" page. Is this a bug, or is this intentional? 
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locked Re: tweak wording for confirmation of deleting a hashtag #suggestion

 

In thinking about this some more, perhaps there could be two separate, distinct choices with respect to hashtags and aliases and their respective deletions:

(1) delete an alias *relation* - this would take two tags and delete only the alias relation between them, but not delete either one of the tags; and

(2) delete a tag, with sub-options

(a) also delete all alias tags, OR
(b) also delete all alias relations involving the tag.

I can think of times when I'd want to use (1), and I can think of times when I'd want to use (2)(b). Currently, all that's available is (2)(a).

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locked Site Updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Profiles per subscription instead of per account.
  • INTERNAL: More work on enterprise version.
  • NEW: Groups must be either announce/moderated/restricted/NuM.
  • NEW: New groups default to NuM unmoderate after 1 approved message.
  • CHANGE: Changed all existing groups that were not announce/moderated/restricted/NuM to NuM unmoderate after 1 approved message.
  • BUGFIX: Fix the DMARC checking code to deal with subdomains correctly.
  • BUGFIX: Formatting for polls with plain text descriptions was screwed up in the archives.
  • CHANGE: Alphabetize hashtags in group post/other views.

Have a good weekend everybody!

Mark


locked Re: New profiles and member directory

 

An accelerator would be a great idea for the members list in large groups, as well.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:07 PM, JohnF via Groups.io <johnf1686@...> wrote:
To see what the Directory would look like on a huge group, I went over to the updates group, which currently has 105847 members.  That is very hard to page through if I'm looking for someone specific.  I can change the URL, but not in a way that's obvious to someone non-technical.  When there are a lot of members on the list, you probably need some sort of accelerator, like the letters used when finding a group by name.

JohnF





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locked Re: New profiles and member directory

Maria
 

Another suggestion: when you click on a member in the directory ( on both mobile and desktop) would be nice to have a way to go back to the directory page you were on. Right now, you either go back in your browser, or you have to find the "directory" menu item again.

Maria


locked Re: New profiles and member directory

 

To see what the Directory would look like on a huge group, I went over to the updates group, which currently has 105847 members. That is very hard to page through if I'm looking for someone specific. I can change the URL, but not in a way that's obvious to someone non-technical. When there are a lot of members on the list, you probably need some sort of accelerator, like the letters used when finding a group by name.

JohnF


locked Re: New profiles and member directory

 

Possibly (probably) the toggle for the global (main profile) "show group in profile" would, if checked, only include groups for which the person had said "yes" to "include in directory." 
J

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark,

I'm not sure how the new world order works *now* so these are just off the top of my head. I don't know where the "main profile" is vs. the per-group profiles. I don't know which names correspond with what. I don't know what you mean by "even the ones with private profiles" - what is a private profile?

But answering anyway, and in complete darkness about these things and about the state of names at this point (and hoping you will clarify at some point soon):

First, unlisted groups do not not show up NOW in someone's list of groups in their profile, so that's not an issue.

I would have a toggle in the per-group profile for "show in the group directory" (perhaps that already exists, I have no idea at this point).

I would have a toggle in the "main profile" (wherever and whatever that is) for "show my groups in this profile."

Something like that.

J

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