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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:22 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Main Profile is back to Profile

Here it is from the horse's mouth. :-) 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Seems like two instances were missed, in that case.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM, J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark said he was calling it the Profile and removing the term Main Profile, I thought.
J

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:32 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Looks ok except it still refers to "Main profile."

That's probably because in the list of your profiles the first one is called "main profile" within the identity panel. 

So it's still your main profile... right?

Maria




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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Mark said he was calling it the Profile and removing the term Main Profile, I thought.
J

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:32 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Looks ok except it still refers to "Main profile."

That's probably because in the list of your profiles the first one is called "main profile" within the identity panel. 

So it's still your main profile... right?

Maria



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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:32 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Looks ok except it still refers to "Main profile."

That's probably because in the list of your profiles the first one is called "main profile" within the identity panel. 

So it's still your main profile... right?

Maria


locked Re: What "From" is generated for the e-mail interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

          Probably not, or I would be getting flooded with stuff in my inbox in all likelihood.  I'm only getting this from a couple of users of that group and even then, not consistently.  I also now know that at least on the part of one of them it is absolutely unintentional and I have every reason to suspect this is true of all.
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:01 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've also tweaked the text as well.

Looks ok except it still refers to "Main profile." That's no longer the term you're using and although it may seem to clear to us here now (since we've been through this), it will not necessarily be clear to someone else. What's "Main profile? would be my first question upon reading this. "I thought there was only one. Is there more than one?" etc. 
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locked Re: What "From" is generated for the e-mail interface

 

Someone here (was it Jeff?) suggested that as a default reply option for groups (reply to group plus individual, or whatever it's called). My guess it that those groups have selected that option.
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Great job of explaining. I totally get that. But I'm thinking about later iterations of this. I think both options are needed.
J

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On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:55 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

I am not because the idea is: you join, you set up your main profile. You join a sub-group, you edit that profile to add a picture that's actually you and not a flower (for example) because you feel comfortable doing that in a small subgroup. When you edit that subgroup profile it's because you are trying to customize it only for that specific group. If you don't customize it, it will have whatever is in your main profile. But if you have gone out of the way to customize it for a specific group there is probably a sensitive reason why ( privacy / comfort with one group vs another) and especially given we have directories now, i think it's good you have to go back and edit it within the group if you want to change it again - or to have a check box to have the change in main apply to all or some other subgroups.

(and i know I am not doing a good job of explaining here so apologies for that)

Maria


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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

Cool! This feels really good to me and very clear. I like it all being in one place.

Not sure why my profile pics are showing as broken pictures in the list.. maybe if i upload them again that will fix itself...

Should be fixed now.

I've also tweaked the text as well.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

I am not because the idea is: you join, you set up your main profile. You join a sub-group, you edit that profile to add a picture that's actually you and not a flower (for example) because you feel comfortable doing that in a small subgroup. When you edit that subgroup profile it's because you are trying to customize it only for that specific group. If you don't customize it, it will have whatever is in your main profile. But if you have gone out of the way to customize it for a specific group there is probably a sensitive reason why ( privacy / comfort with one group vs another) and especially given we have directories now, i think it's good you have to go back and edit it within the group if you want to change it again - or to have a check box to have the change in main apply to all or some other subgroups.

(and i know I am not doing a good job of explaining here so apologies for that)

Maria


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Love Maria's term 'customize' but would avoid referring to profiles. Just use 'identity information.'

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On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:50 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I'm on the other side of this. I think the propagation would normally  be expected and should be the default.
J

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On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:46 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:37 am, J_Catlady wrote:
But you can have both if you implement Maria's suggestion of making this an option. 

I forgot about that... maybe that option/checkbox to apply the change in the main profile to all or to specific groups isn't a bad idea... it helps re-inforce the concept that just because you change it in main it won't override the customization you've previously done in your groups. It helps to educate that mechanism. 


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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

I'm on the other side of this. I think the propagation would normally  be expected and should be the default.
J

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:46 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:37 am, J_Catlady wrote:
But you can have both if you implement Maria's suggestion of making this an option. 

I forgot about that... maybe that option/checkbox to apply the change in the main profile to all or to specific groups isn't a bad idea... it helps re-inforce the concept that just because you change it in main it won't override the customization you've previously done in your groups. It helps to educate that mechanism. 


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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:37 am, J_Catlady wrote:
But you can have both if you implement Maria's suggestion of making this an option. 

I forgot about that... maybe that option/checkbox to apply the change in the main profile to all or to specific groups isn't a bad idea... it helps re-inforce the concept that just because you change it in main it won't override the customization you've previously done in your groups. It helps to educate that mechanism. 


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Maria
 

Cool! This feels really good to me and very clear. I like it all being in one place.

Not sure why my profile pics are showing as broken pictures in the list.. maybe if i upload them again that will fix itself...

For the lingo:

SAYS NOW:

"You can have different profile information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your Main profile will also be made to each group profile, except for fields you've changed in the group profiles. "

SUGGESTED EDIT:

"You can customize your profile information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your Main profile will automatically apply to each group profile, with the exception of those specific fields in group profiles that you've previously customized."


There's a first draft :) I'm sure it can be improved.

Re: indicating which fields have been changed when editing a profile... do you mean as a way to confirm the changes? or as a constant indicator of a field that doens't match the main profile?

Maria






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p.s. Love the term "identity" here. It also fits in nicely to support future PIGs (private identity groups;)

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:37 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Right off the top of my head, this could use a tweak or two:

You can have different profile information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your Main profile will also be made to each group profile, except for fields you've changed in the group profiles.

I would change to

You can have different identity information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your Profile will also be made to the identity information for all of your groups, except for fields you've changed in any particular group.

Also, again, I don't see the advantage of this exclusion:

except for fields you've changed in the group profiles

Why? Would would I change something in my Profile that I did NOT want to filter/cascade down? The current plan/implementation FORCES me to go into all the groups and change the field again, just because I once changed something. I can see situations where you'd want it this way, but I see MORE situations where it's the opposite. Changing something at the top should generally filter down, I think. That's the purpose of having the top level, in my way of thinking. But you can have both if you implement Maria's suggestion of making this an option. 

More later, just waking up here. ;)

p.s. links to all @profiles are now broken...sent message to support

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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Right off the top of my head, this could use a tweak or two:

You can have different profile information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your Main profile will also be made to each group profile, except for fields you've changed in the group profiles.

I would change to

You can have different identity information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your Profile will also be made to the identity information for all of your groups, except for fields you've changed in any particular group.

Also, again, I don't see the advantage of this exclusion:

except for fields you've changed in the group profiles

Why? Would would I change something in my Profile that I did NOT want to filter/cascade down? The current plan/implementation FORCES me to go into all the groups and change the field again, just because I once changed something. I can see situations where you'd want it this way, but I see MORE situations where it's the opposite. Changing something at the top should generally filter down, I think. That's the purpose of having the top level, in my way of thinking. But you can have both if you implement Maria's suggestion of making this an option. 

More later, just waking up here. ;)

p.s. links to all @profiles are now broken...sent message to support

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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Hi All,

Thanks for the feedback/suggestions, especially from J and Maria. I've just pushed a bunch of changes:

  • Name is back to Display Name
  • Profile Name is now User Name
  • Main Profile is back to Profile
  • Within Profile, I've separated out Preferences into its own tab.
  • Within Profile, the Profile tab has been renamed Identity.
  • The Identity tab now shows all your profiles, and you can edit each one directly from there.

I agree this is definitely better, but I consider it still a work in progress and I need your help. What do you think of the explanatory text in the Identity tab? It doesn't quite explain things correctly when it comes to subgroups, because if you change something in the parent group, that prevents changes from the Main profile from cascading down to subgroups. I'm not sure how to explain that succinctly.

Also, I'm not indicating which fields have been changed when editing a profile yet. Not sure how best to do that.

What else can I do to make this better?

Thanks! Mark


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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Hello All,

          I use the web interface exclusively and have occasionally turned on e-mail just to check a few things out.

          Very recently, and so far from only one or two users on technology for the blind and vision-impaired groups I participate in, their e-mail responses to the group are also being sent to me at my e-mail address since I'm also showing up in the To field.   This is clearly not an instance of a Private message, as neither the subject has the Private prefix nor is the content something that one would be having a sidebar about.

           I could have sworn that messages that went out to e-mail subscribers only have the group e-mail address on them for reply.  I have privately corresponded with the user from whom the latest one of these "copied to me, but not meant to be copied to me via e-mail" messages has landed in my inbox as well as in the web interface.  I know he is not manually entering my e-mail address.  If he is using Reply All rather than a straight Reply I'm still mystified as to why my personal e-mail address would be a part of the "From" in something that was posted to the group via the web interface.

           Any ideas as to what's happening here?

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Beta Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New card "The autolink function of Summernote is not activated when you paste text into the editor." was added to list "Bugs".


[Beta] The red label "Bug" was added to the card "The autolink function of Summernote is not activated when you paste text into the editor.".


[Beta] The description of card "The autolink function of Summernote is not activated when you paste text into the editor." was changed to:

Summernote's autolink function is only called when you type text directly into the editor, not when you paste text in.


locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

Sorry for fragmented thoughts! But as I review my suggestion I even think that it's worth looking at the "manage my subscriptions" page and thinking about whether you want a way to access your identity settings for each of your subscriptions there too. Maybe you could see your display name and photo thumbnail there too.

Maria

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