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I go into the members list and click on their email address. A page comes up with the word 'Profile' which, when clicked on, takes me to what looks similar to a profile page. I will send it to Mark at the support address a little later today. But I'm pretty sure this is now the behavior for members without a profile name.
J

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On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:52 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 09:22 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
If I now go to a member's page in my group,

Do you mean when you click on their display name from the message archive? I'm not following what you mean by "go to a member's page". 

Maria


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Maria
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 09:22 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
If I now go to a member's page in my group,

Do you mean when you click on their display name from the message archive? I'm not following what you mean by "go to a member's page". 

Maria


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If I now go to a member's page in my group, I see the word "Profile" below the name if the person does NOT have a profile(?) (I see the "at" sign followed by their profile name if they do). Clicking on the word "Profile", though, takes me to what appears to be their profile. Clicking on the "at" sign and profile name for someone who does have  a profile also takes me to some profile page, labelled with some name plus a profile name (with "at" sign). I have NO IDEA what's going on any more....
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When Mark said "Main Profile" was back to "Profile," I assumed he meant not only in one particular place. I assumed he meant everywhere, and that therefore, "Group Profiles" were gone (or called something else, thus obviating the need for the adjective "Main"). But instead of the terms being simplified, it now seems they are just proliferating. I'm going to close my eyes until it's over. ;)
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I think using one term or the other would be better. An identity tab should point to identities. Or a profile tab should point to profiles. I think this is going to be confusing.
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Maria
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 04:07 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
Surely there won't be *both* "group identities" AND "group profiles" now? Please god....the terminology is proliferating....it's like a nightmare...

No, there is an "IDENTITY" tab and within that you have your "base"/"general"/default profile and then the various "group profiles".

So, no, there are not both identities and profiles.

Maria


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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 01:15 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
added a header for Group Profiles

I wouldn't care what adjective is used for the main one, as long as there are still things called "group profiles" so that an adjective is necessary rather than simply confusing. However, I still don't like calling the sets of group-specific variables "group profiles" and preferred the "identity" idea. Wondering why that went by the wayside. Surely there won't be *both* "group identities" AND "group profiles" now? Please god....the terminology is proliferating....it's like a nightmare...

If I had my way there would be one Profile and below that, various Identities for the various groups. These would not use the term "profile"  at all.

I think I'll give up and wait for the final result, and just pick it apart later. ;) 
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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

       The latest set are definitely replies to active threads on the group, and I'd presume to a specific message I posted.  I am not receiving these at random from threads in which I've had absolutely no participation (that is, not a bystander).  I have no idea with regard to DMARC.  I do know that the exchanges I've had privately, and via e-mail directly, with the latest perpetrator/victim have been coming from a btinternet.com address, where he said in the last message:

Brian could this not be how the group is setup?

I just reply which I thought went straight to the group email

No cc or bcc -  the fields are empty


I use gmail, and when I look at the "header" (I'm not expanding thing to source level) I am shown as the first recipient listed in the To field and the appropriate groups.io group address follows mine.  I have no reason whatsoever to doubt what the correspondent is telling me.

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Maria
 

What if the menu on the top right hand where you have a person icon and your display name said: 

Account (instead of profile)

Logout

and what if the "general profile" were also displayed as a header with same font size as "group profiles" rather than in the grey area?

and maybe instead of "general profile" "account profile"?

Otherwise i feel like it flows very smooth and is clear.

Maria


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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:12 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I think we need a term for the 'base profile'

I have no problem with that as long as (1) there are OTHER objects referred to as "profiles" besides that one and (b) the terminology used is consistent throughout. As for (1), was under the impression you were dropping the idea of calling the per-group identity items "profiles." In that case, every user has only one profile. Using an adjective in front of it in some places, and not using the adjective in others, can do nothing but create confusion. Calling it the "main profile" or the "base profile" is going to make users like me go, "What? What other profile is there?" and be seriously confused.
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ro-esp
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:12 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I think we need a term for the 'base profile', which is what I'm currently
referring to as the Main Profile, i.e. the first profile you see listed in
the Identity section, and the one whose fields originally define the fields
in all other identities/profiles. If not Main Profile, something else?
I may have missed some crucial info, but aren't we talking about "default identity/profile" versus "group-specific identity/profile"?
"default" being what you get when you don't bother with different nicknames for different groups...

groetjes, Ronaldo


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Maria
 

Mark


When you go to edit your "general profile" i think the lingo should be edited from:

"Changes made to this profile will also be made to each group profile, except for the fields you've already changed in each group profile. "

to

"Changes made to this profile will also be made to each group profile, with the exception of  those fields that you have previously customized in each group profile. To edit those customized fields please go to the specific group profile and click "edit".


Maybe?

Maria


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On 11 Oct 2016 at 10:13, Brian Vogel wrote:

> I could have sworn that messages that went out to e-mail subscribers
> only have the group e-mail address on them for reply.

> ...  If he is using Reply All rather than a straight Reply I'm still
> mystified as to why my personal e-mail address would be a part of the
> "From" in something that was posted to the group via the web interface.

I don't know the answer to the subject question, but I do know that email clients vary in their response to From, Reply-To, and Sender.  It's a common problem when certain clients are used with discussion lists.

The applicable RFC does not mandate a specific way to do it:

    "... When the 'Reply-To:' field is present, it indicates the
    mailbox(es) to which the author of the message suggests that replies
    be sent.  In the absence of the 'Reply-To:' field, replies SHOULD by
    default be sent to the mailbox(es) specified in the 'From:' field
    unless otherwise specified by the person composing the reply. ..."

The beta@ group has beta@ as the Reply-To and the Sender, but the sender's address is in the From (unless it's an AOL or Yahoo address, I think).


As to why you're in the From, technically it came from you.  The group is only the conduit (I guess you could say the Sender) to get the message to the group members.

My email client (Pegasus) defaults to the Reply-to address, but I can select the From, To, CC, Sender, or Reply-To.  Since the problem seems to be isolated to a few of your members, I think the best solution is that they pay attention to what their mail client puts in the To: field and edit accordingly.

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Brian,

Are these replies to messages that you've sent to the group, or are you just a bystander? Are these replies to messages sent from people whom we have had to munge their email addresses because of DMARC (i.e. do the From: lines come from @groups.io)?

It could be a misbehaving emailer. Or some interaction with what we do because of DMARC. At least those are my initial guesses.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Hello All,

          I use the web interface exclusively and have occasionally turned on e-mail just to check a few things out.

          Very recently, and so far from only one or two users on technology for the blind and vision-impaired groups I participate in, their e-mail responses to the group are also being sent to me at my e-mail address since I'm also showing up in the To field.   This is clearly not an instance of a Private message, as neither the subject has the Private prefix nor is the content something that one would be having a sidebar about.

           I could have sworn that messages that went out to e-mail subscribers only have the group e-mail address on them for reply.  I have privately corresponded with the user from whom the latest one of these "copied to me, but not meant to be copied to me via e-mail" messages has landed in my inbox as well as in the web interface.  I know he is not manually entering my e-mail address.  If he is using Reply All rather than a straight Reply I'm still mystified as to why my personal e-mail address would be a part of the "From" in something that was posted to the group via the web interface.

           Any ideas as to what's happening here?

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I've changed it from 'main profile' to 'general profile' and added a header for Group Profiles.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:32 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:12 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I think we need a term for the 'base profile', which is what I'm currently referring to as the Main Profile, i.e. the first profile you see listed in the Identity section, and the one whose fields originally define the fields in all other identities/profiles. If not Main Profile, something else?

What about if it's called "general profile" and then under that you have a header for "group profiles" and then the list of group profiles follows?

Since in the subscription area of the groups you still can edit your "group" profile, it would clarify this distinction further.

I do think it should be called "profile".

Maria



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Maria
 

Another reason why  i think "general" is better than "main" is because in groups with subgroups you see: main profile, main, subgroup1, subgroup2 etc... so you see a repetition of the word "main"


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Maria
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:12 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I think we need a term for the 'base profile', which is what I'm currently referring to as the Main Profile, i.e. the first profile you see listed in the Identity section, and the one whose fields originally define the fields in all other identities/profiles. If not Main Profile, something else?

What about if it's called "general profile" and then under that you have a header for "group profiles" and then the list of group profiles follows?

Since in the subscription area of the groups you still can edit your "group" profile, it would clarify this distinction further.

I do think it should be called "profile".

Maria


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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:41 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:40 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Mark said he was calling it the Profile and removing the term Main Profile, I thought.

I think that just refers to the menu item on the top right hand side which brings you to the login/preferences/identity etc section 


I think we need a term for the 'base profile', which is what I'm currently referring to as the Main Profile, i.e. the first profile you see listed in the Identity section, and the one whose fields originally define the fields in all other identities/profiles. If not Main Profile, something else?

Thanks,
Mark


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I would be consistent. He's using the term "Main profile" in the sense of the English language, on both the profile page and in the verbiage in the identity section. I think it's best to stick to one, well-defined meaning and use simply "Profile" throughout. Failure to do that can lead to confusion of the kind we've seen time and time again by using the term "name" sometimes in the sense of ordinary language, and other times in the strict sense according to the context. I would now wipe out all occurrences of the term "main profile."

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:41 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:40 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Mark said he was calling it the Profile and removing the term Main Profile, I thought.

I think that just refers to the menu item on the top right hand side which brings you to the login/preferences/identity etc section



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Maria
 

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:40 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Mark said he was calling it the Profile and removing the term Main Profile, I thought.

I think that just refers to the menu item on the top right hand side which brings you to the login/preferences/identity etc section

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