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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

And i just re-read the thread from July when i asked the same question. A lot has changed now since then (privacy settings etc) but now i recall that the username is also the way your display name's link is created: ..beta/profile/@

So maybe the language in the profile area where one sets ones user name up needs some more details/explanation.

Maria


locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

Since we are speaking about display names and user names. I am not clear as to why we have user names AND display names.I'm sure i am missing something or too tired or both :)

I think the idea is that the @username is a way for people to eventually "tag/call you out" in a post? 

You can have a profile without a username but with just a display name, right? Before the @username meant that you had a publicly viewable profile - now we have privacy settings.

I guess I think I've forgotten why we have a username. The name on my account is my display name...

And other than viewing my profile, how can anyone see what my username is when/if the ability to tag me in a post comes up?

Maria


locked Links in the wiki -- not quite doing what we expect

Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...>
 

(Hey! It isn't about the new profile stuff!  :)

So... when one of my fellow moderators was hacking a page in the wiki, he entered some text and clicked on the link icon to make it a link. When it asked where he wanted the link to point to he entered "lpcf.com" and didn't think about it.

Guess where that wound up pointing to for people viewing the page?

https://groups.io/g/95033test/wiki/lpcf.com

Not what you might expect, and not a page that exists.

When he figured it out he went and played with it. He found that if he entered http://lpcf.com everything worked as expected.

So... the question is, what is the right behavior here? I could file this as a bug report and ask Mark to make the wiki code note things that are (or could be) domain names and link directly to them instead of assuming they are local pages within the wiki.  And I think that is probably the right thing to do.

But there is an argument to be made that what it currently does is right. If you don't specify that you're linking to something via http (or https, or mailto, or some other protocol) then it has to assume you're linking to a local page.

Oh, and I tested it in markdown as well.   [link](foo.com) links to a local page in groups.io where as [link](http://foo.com) links to foo.com as expected. Also note quite what I would expect as a novice, but correct at a deeper level.

Thoughts?

--jeffp


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

As long as we're piling on: I find it very weird that usernames are not required. I think they should be. I understand that previously, creating a username went hand in hand with making all your info available to everybody in every group, so it was optional. But with privacy controls in place (current and/or forthcoming), privacy doesn't seem related to creating a username and I see no need to give users the option of not having one. 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

Actually, jokes aside, I think JohnF's example is yet another reason why i think display names need to be unique ( and i'd rather not variable within a parent group with subgroups). Most people pick something unique on Y! for their alias, but now, I don't know if it's because the system forces you to, or if we've just been lucky in that people in our groups have always assigned a unique alias for themselves ( they are called aliases on Y!).

Is it too hard to make the display name be unique? Because if it isn't, I think it's something that would be a good idea.

Maria


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Should there be any protection from some user setting their display name to "Mark Fletcher", changing their profile photo to match, and then posting something controversial? It won't fool anyone reading the group in mail, but it would appear the same to someone reading on the web (unless they started looking to verify).

Other than practical jokes, the biggest risk of that would be someone in an enterprise group changing themselves to look like the CEO, then posting a message, "Hey, CFO, a supplier is preparing to file a lawsuit - I need you to wire $114 million to this offshore account right away!"

JohnF


locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 03:49 pm, testtest wrote:
in the top right corner you no longer see your username (aka profile name - I don't know which it is now) but rather, you see your display name for the particular group you're looking at.

True. Yes, that should probably be the account profile name used there... Which then makes the "group profile" tab in the subscription area more important as it's another way you can confirm your display name and other details for any given group you are in?

I do feel it's important to have an easy reminder of what your display name is for any given group ( unless of course the display name stays the same and the option to change it is removed...).

Maria 


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Mark,

There is still the bug(?) I mentioned before, where in the top right corner you no longer see your username (aka profile name - I don't know which it is now) but rather, you see your display name for the particular group you're looking at. It shifts back and forth as you move from group to group. I don't feel like this is right. I feel like your unique username should always appear at the top right. It's something not seen by anyone else, so why should it vary per group?
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J

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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

But I would also capitalize any terms in text that are capitalized elsewhere.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:55 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Agreed.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:53 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Maybe for accuracy it should be:

"You can customize your identity information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your account profile will automatically apply to each group profile, with the exception of those specific fields in each group profile that you've previously customized. "

So, perhaps worth adding the word "profile" after those 2 references to "each group" in the second sentence.

Maria



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Agreed.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:53 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

Maybe for accuracy it should be:

"You can customize your identity information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your account profile will automatically apply to each group profile, with the exception of those specific fields in each group profile that you've previously customized. "

So, perhaps worth adding the word "profile" after those 2 references to "each group" in the second sentence.

Maria



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J

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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

Maybe for accuracy it should be:

"You can customize your identity information for each group you are subscribed to. Changes made to your account profile will automatically apply to each group profile, with the exception of those specific fields in each group profile that you've previously customized. "

So, perhaps worth adding the word "profile" after those 2 references to "each group" in the second sentence.

Maria


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:22 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I have made no such decision. I'm just trying to work through the 'easier' things right now. 

Ok, great. I'll try to come with some scenarios (but later tonite) where not having the option would be a PITA.
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:18 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
with the exception of those specific fields in each group that you've previously customized.

 It seems you've made a decision about this but I feel strongly that you should at least allow the option of allowing changes to the Account Profile to filter down even to previously changed elements.


I have made no such decision. I'm just trying to work through the 'easier' things right now. I don't know what the right answer wrt filtering down changes is. But adding checkboxes to control what happens doesn't feel like the right answer, because it adds complexity. But maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark,

There is still this problematic text:

Changes made to your general profile will automatically apply to each group, with the exception of those specific fields in each group that you've previously customized.

What is the "general profile"? I think you should stick to clearly defined terms and not rely on the sloppiness of standard English (or the possibility of everyone having different interpretations) when you refer to elements/objects like this. You now officially call it the "Account Profile," that's the term that appears right below this text to label the actual thing, and I think you should stick to that in all references to it.

Fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:18 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
with the exception of those specific fields in each group that you've previously customized.

 It seems you've made a decision about this but I feel strongly that you should at least allow the option of allowing changes to the Account Profile to filter down even to previously changed elements.
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Mark,

There is still this problematic text:

Changes made to your general profile will automatically apply to each group, with the exception of those specific fields in each group that you've previously customized.

What is the "general profile"? I think you should stick to clearly defined terms and not rely on the sloppiness of standard English (or the possibility of everyone having different interpretations) when you refer to elements/objects like this. You now officially call it the "Account Profile," that's the term that appears right below this text to label the actual thing, and I think you should stick to that in all references to it.

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J

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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Also with our FIVE Karens, etc. It's strange to have this many duplicate names in such a small (150+-member) group...

J

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:07 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 01:47 pm, HR Tech wrote:
can a moderator edit a member's display name? I'd imagine not

Yes, and I've done that with our three Suzanne's, three Susan's, and one Sue to include their last initial. I hope this doesn't go away. 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 01:37 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I completely get why you'd want the same display name for all subgroups. Is there a compelling reason why we should keep the functionality of allowing different display names for subgroups at all?

I don't care what happens with subgroups because I don't use them (and don't intend to). But I think if you are stumbling towards the ecstasy of anything remotely resembling "multiple profiles" (or whatever the operative term would be now), I can't imagine not allowing different display names in different groups themselves. 

I'll look at this in more detail later (edit screens, consistency of names, etc.), probably tonight.
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 01:47 pm, HR Tech wrote:
can a moderator edit a member's display name? I'd imagine not

Yes, and I've done that with our three Suzanne's, three Susan's, and one Sue to include their last initial. I hope this doesn't go away. 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 01:37 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
And if you can't have different display names in subgroups, how would that work with the website in such a way that it'd be clearly understood? The places where display names can be edited right now are under the Identities tab on the Account page, when a moderator is viewing a subscription, and when a member edits their own profile from the Subscription page (which I'm wondering if we should remove).

What if it behaved as the username does and it's just a non-editable field? whether because you enable an option to disable edits to this field or whether you do away with it overall...  

Sorry - silly question - but can a moderator edit a member's display name? I'd imagine not... or I guess I am not clear on why a moderator would/should do that. I know I can't do that to someone now on Y! ... I can't edit their group "alias".

Re: editing your profile via the subscription page from within a group, I think it's OK to have it there too as i think it's not a bad idea... but get why you'd want to have only one way to get to that place. Maybe if it's removed as a tab - you could have a link back to the account/identity area from within the group subscription area?

Maria

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