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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Hi All,

I've just changed it so that you cannot change your display name in subgroups.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:57 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Second, in answer to the question: I do like the fact that it's now always easy to see the Display Name for the group you're in. However, I dislike more the inability to see what account you're logged in under. I think it's crucial include either the username or the email address, and I think normally(?) that would be at the top right, where the Group Display Name is now. So I'd either move the Group Display Name to the left, or put both of them at the top right, with the Account Name (email address or username) on the top.

The header's only one line, so I can't stack things. I'm worried that if I put the email address next to the display name it'd be too long. One question, how many people regularly log into Groups.io using different accounts, and those accounts have identical display names? In other words, is this a big issue? 

I still need to think about whether display names should be unique per group. Are there any other examples of services forcing display names to be unique? I couldn't think of any.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: navigation issue ("return to directory")

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:24 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

If I'm reading a message, and I click on the username (or whatever you want to call it), it takes me to the profile, as expected. But now, underneath the photo in the profile, there's a button with a left-pointing arrow labeled "return to directory."


I've removed that button.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked .msn emails going into spam?

 

Is anyone having a problem with Groups.io emails going into spam with .msn? I have another NC member who has not received several iterations of the confirmation email. Wondering if it could be .msn email.
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locked navigation issue ("return to directory")

 

If I'm reading a message, and I click on the username (or whatever you want to call it), it takes me to the profile, as expected. But now, underneath the photo in the profile, there's a button with a left-pointing arrow labeled "return to directory."

(1) That's a misnomer if you haven't come FROM the directory.

(2) Even if you relabel the button, I'm wondering why there should be an explicit link to the directory if you haven't come to the profile via the directory in the first place.

(3) This whole thing seems a bit strange and out of keeping with the rest of the navigation on the site. There are no other explicit "go back to" buttons. Normally you can just use the back button on your browser to go back to where you came from. So I'm not sure why this button exists.
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locked Re: Proposal: All groups must be moderated or new user moderated

Ro
 

As long as new users can be UNMODERATED instantly at owners  descretion i am ok with it.  Otherwise,  i would not be.  Currently  i use the auto owner response to new applicants  which is a small questionaire.  If they don't answer it,  they don't get approved,  so moderation  in my groups is totally unnecessary

Ro



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Nightowl >8#" <featheredleader@...>
Date: 10/13/16 20:20 (GMT-08:00)
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Proposal: All groups must be moderated or new user moderated

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>So I propose to make it so that all groups must be either moderated or have new users be moderated.  I have not yet thought through whether this should apply to sub-groups as well. But I wanted to get everyone's take on this proposal first. Is there a good reason to allow open groups at all?<<

It depends what you mean by open groups. Sanctuary is a group where anyone can join, and it can be read publicly. But no one can post without being unmoderated and approved. As long as a group's archives can still be open to the public,I'd be fine with what you are proposing to do.

Brenda





locked Re: Proposal: All groups must be moderated or new user moderated

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>So I propose to make it so that all groups must be either moderated or have new users be moderated.  I have not yet thought through whether this should apply to sub-groups as well. But I wanted to get everyone's take on this proposal first. Is there a good reason to allow open groups at all?<<

It depends what you mean by open groups. Sanctuary is a group where anyone can join, and it can be read publicly. But no one can post without being unmoderated and approved. As long as a group's archives can still be open to the public,I'd be fine with what you are proposing to do.

Brenda


locked Re: Spam filter

Nightowl >8#
 

Steph Mathews wrote:>>I suggest that we use IP addresses.<<

I second that. Maybe set a limit on how many groups can be made by one IP address, and if the person needs more, they have to notify Mark directly and ask.

Brenda


locked Re: Spam filter

Nightowl >8#
 

Carol Good wrote:>> I've had my yahoomail for 17-odd years - Yahoo can go whistle for my phone number no matter how often they ask... :)<<

I've had mine since at least 2001, and they ain't getting any phone numbers. Not landline OR cell.

Carol Good wrote:>>Which is just one reason why I wouldn't go near FB with a 60' bargepole...<<

I won't go near them for a host of reasons, but that's a good one too. I think anything that identifies the person in real life is a bad idea for a verification process online. It doesn't matter how much I trust Mark, it's that I don't trust the Internet to not be vulnerable.

Now if I could write something verifying I'm me on a piece of paper and mail it to Mark snail-mail,, to get a group creation confirmed, that I would do.

Brenda


locked Re: Spam filter

Nightowl >8#
 

HR Tech wrote:>>I think that a legit group owner wouldn't have an issue putting their credit card down for a $1 verification transaction and if anything would appreciate (if this is explained to them) how in turn, participation in this process gives them ultimately a better product by virtue of how it protects the service's reputation.<<

I'm a legit group owner, and I think requiring a credit card is a really bad idea. First, I wouldn't want my credit card info online anywhere on groups.io to be vulnerable to hacking.

Second, my husband doesn't ever want to charge less than $10.00 to a credit card.

And third, not every person has a credit card.

There has to be a better way than something that makes users credit card numbers vulnerable, and I'm sure Mark will find it.

Brenda


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 04:52 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If we have display names be unique, would that be per group, per subgroup, or overall?

I vote "per group". I don't use subgroups but it doesn't make much sense to me to allow display names to be different within a subgroup, and nor to force it to be unique overall because we want to be able to let people call themselves by their first names or some other similarly non-unique thing. 

With the top right corner, as you've noticed, I have it show the Display Name for the group you're viewing at the moment, as a reminder of how you've set it up. Should I change that back to the Account Profile Display Name?

First: I think I know what you mean by "Account Profile Display Name" but I would not use that term, here or anywhere. It's too many nouns in a row. I don't think you want Account Name because that's (presumably?) the email address, but perhaps Account Display Name. Something like that.

Second, in answer to the question: I do like the fact that it's now always easy to see the Display Name for the group you're in. However, I dislike more the inability to see what account you're logged in under. I think it's crucial include either the username or the email address, and I think normally(?) that would be at the top right, where the Group Display Name is now. So I'd either move the Group Display Name to the left, or put both of them at the top right, with the Account Name (email address or username) on the top.
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locked Re: What "From" is generated for the e-mail interface

 

Hi Brian,

I'm baffled. I can't think of anything that's changed lately that would affect this. He's not a victim of DMARC, so that has nothing to do with it. 

Mark

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Mark,

       The latest set are definitely replies to active threads on the group, and I'd presume to a specific message I posted.  I am not receiving these at random from threads in which I've had absolutely no participation (that is, not a bystander).  I have no idea with regard to DMARC.  I do know that the exchanges I've had privately, and via e-mail directly, with the latest perpetrator/victim have been coming from a btinternet.com address, where he said in the last message:

Brian could this not be how the group is setup?

I just reply which I thought went straight to the group email

No cc or bcc -  the fields are empty


I use gmail, and when I look at the "header" (I'm not expanding thing to source level) I am shown as the first recipient listed in the To field and the appropriate groups.io group address follows mine.  I have no reason whatsoever to doubt what the correspondent is telling me.

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locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

My thoughts:

- Display names being unique: I'd like that per group (parent group+subgroups). I don't think it's doable overall (?).

- If someone tried to join by email and had same display name as an existing member, could it assign a number to that second person? So like if there is already a john smith, could the second john smith to join be : john smith 2?

- that's cool about usernames and what they will help us do

- I like that the top right corner reminds me of my display name for the group i am in, and so my reply to this depends on what happens with ability to change display name within a group/subgroups, but if it displays my general account profile I'd love a way to be reminded of my group profile for the group i am in with a quick glance... I'm leaning towards it staying as the display name for that group, even though i get the logic of it being the account profile.

- For our group, i'd like the display names to stay consistent from parent group to subgroups. Just all around easier for our members and our mods. But as mentioned, i can see the use in having the ability to change that for other groups. Just not ours as i think it will add way too much complexity for us to handle. I mean, i think there are issues that will arise that i haven't even managed to think of if having custom display names per group/subgroup is allowed. Mainly because on the web interface if someone is Jill in one group and then she's Gillian in a subgroup, the web only readers would never know it's the same person. That wouldn't work for us, it would be weird. But of course i think that if it's different groups all together you should be able to customize your display name as you see fit - just not within the same group.

Yes, it's very complex! 

"Simplicity is complexity resolved" - Brancusi :)

Thank you for all your hard work on this.

Maria


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Mark,

Oh, in that case, J takes it all back! She was not paying proper attention. :-)

J

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
J,

I said removing the ability to have different display names per subgroup, not per group. 

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:12 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark,

More about your other questions later, but meanwhile, wait, what? No good answers to changing Display Names in a group? What about my group's five Karen's, three Suzanne's, theee Susan's, etc etc etc? We need to be able to change this. We also need to bd able to change it for privacy reasons related to the whole multiple profile idea. I'm 'J' here but I'll use my first name in most restricted groups, and my first and last name in a subset of those. I might use my published pen name in others. J thinks the ability to change this is absolutely crucial. J will say more later tonite after she has fed all her cats and taken care of other business.

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

If we have display names be unique, would that be per group, per subgroup, or overall? While Mark likes to think of himself as a unique and special flower, especially when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, he knows he's not the only Mark Fletcher in the world.... If a display name is unique per group, what happens when someone joins a new group via email and that group already has someone with their name?

As for usernames, they're not at all important right now, especially since I changed the profile privacy stuff. But they will be important for referring to people in chats and DMs and other fun social media things in the not too distant future.

With the top right corner, as you've noticed, I have it show the Display Name for the group you're viewing at the moment, as a reminder of how you've set it up. Should I change that back to the Account Profile Display Name?

I didn't get any responses when I asked if there are good reasons to keep the ability to change your display name in each subgroup. So I'm guessing everyone's ok with me removing that ability?

Man this stuff is complicated. I keep wanting to figure out what we can do to simplify things.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:52 PM, testtest <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 07:40 pm, HR Tech wrote:
maybe the language in the profile area where one sets ones user name up needs some more details/explanation.

That it does. But I wouldn't bother with that until the functionality is decided on. I, too, started wondering this afternoon what a username is good for. I think what it was good for before might end up being totally different from what it's good for now or will be in the very near future (i.e., tomorrow;) Seriously: I wouldn't write any explanations with further details while the thing is still jumping around like this. 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

J,

I said removing the ability to have different display names per subgroup, not per group. 

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:12 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark,

More about your other questions later, but meanwhile, wait, what? No good answers to changing Display Names in a group? What about my group's five Karen's, three Suzanne's, theee Susan's, etc etc etc? We need to be able to change this. We also need to bd able to change it for privacy reasons related to the whole multiple profile idea. I'm 'J' here but I'll use my first name in most restricted groups, and my first and last name in a subset of those. I might use my published pen name in others. J thinks the ability to change this is absolutely crucial. J will say more later tonite after she has fed all her cats and taken care of other business.

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

If we have display names be unique, would that be per group, per subgroup, or overall? While Mark likes to think of himself as a unique and special flower, especially when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, he knows he's not the only Mark Fletcher in the world.... If a display name is unique per group, what happens when someone joins a new group via email and that group already has someone with their name?

As for usernames, they're not at all important right now, especially since I changed the profile privacy stuff. But they will be important for referring to people in chats and DMs and other fun social media things in the not too distant future.

With the top right corner, as you've noticed, I have it show the Display Name for the group you're viewing at the moment, as a reminder of how you've set it up. Should I change that back to the Account Profile Display Name?

I didn't get any responses when I asked if there are good reasons to keep the ability to change your display name in each subgroup. So I'm guessing everyone's ok with me removing that ability?

Man this stuff is complicated. I keep wanting to figure out what we can do to simplify things.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:52 PM, testtest <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 07:40 pm, HR Tech wrote:
maybe the language in the profile area where one sets ones user name up needs some more details/explanation.

That it does. But I wouldn't bother with that until the functionality is decided on. I, too, started wondering this afternoon what a username is good for. I think what it was good for before might end up being totally different from what it's good for now or will be in the very near future (i.e., tomorrow;) Seriously: I wouldn't write any explanations with further details while the thing is still jumping around like this. 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Mark,

More about your other questions later, but meanwhile, wait, what? No good answers to changing Display Names in a group? What about my group's five Karen's, three Suzanne's, theee Susan's, etc etc etc? We need to be able to change this. We also need to bd able to change it for privacy reasons related to the whole multiple profile idea. I'm 'J' here but I'll use my first name in most restricted groups, and my first and last name in a subset of those. I might use my published pen name in others. J thinks the ability to change this is absolutely crucial. J will say more later tonite after she has fed all her cats and taken care of other business.

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

If we have display names be unique, would that be per group, per subgroup, or overall? While Mark likes to think of himself as a unique and special flower, especially when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, he knows he's not the only Mark Fletcher in the world.... If a display name is unique per group, what happens when someone joins a new group via email and that group already has someone with their name?

As for usernames, they're not at all important right now, especially since I changed the profile privacy stuff. But they will be important for referring to people in chats and DMs and other fun social media things in the not too distant future.

With the top right corner, as you've noticed, I have it show the Display Name for the group you're viewing at the moment, as a reminder of how you've set it up. Should I change that back to the Account Profile Display Name?

I didn't get any responses when I asked if there are good reasons to keep the ability to change your display name in each subgroup. So I'm guessing everyone's ok with me removing that ability?

Man this stuff is complicated. I keep wanting to figure out what we can do to simplify things.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:52 PM, testtest <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 07:40 pm, HR Tech wrote:
maybe the language in the profile area where one sets ones user name up needs some more details/explanation.

That it does. But I wouldn't bother with that until the functionality is decided on. I, too, started wondering this afternoon what a username is good for. I think what it was good for before might end up being totally different from what it's good for now or will be in the very near future (i.e., tomorrow;) Seriously: I wouldn't write any explanations with further details while the thing is still jumping around like this. 
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

Hi All,

If we have display names be unique, would that be per group, per subgroup, or overall? While Mark likes to think of himself as a unique and special flower, especially when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, he knows he's not the only Mark Fletcher in the world.... If a display name is unique per group, what happens when someone joins a new group via email and that group already has someone with their name?

As for usernames, they're not at all important right now, especially since I changed the profile privacy stuff. But they will be important for referring to people in chats and DMs and other fun social media things in the not too distant future.

With the top right corner, as you've noticed, I have it show the Display Name for the group you're viewing at the moment, as a reminder of how you've set it up. Should I change that back to the Account Profile Display Name?

I didn't get any responses when I asked if there are good reasons to keep the ability to change your display name in each subgroup. So I'm guessing everyone's ok with me removing that ability?

Man this stuff is complicated. I keep wanting to figure out what we can do to simplify things.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:52 PM, testtest <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 07:40 pm, HR Tech wrote:
maybe the language in the profile area where one sets ones user name up needs some more details/explanation.

That it does. But I wouldn't bother with that until the functionality is decided on. I, too, started wondering this afternoon what a username is good for. I think what it was good for before might end up being totally different from what it's good for now or will be in the very near future (i.e., tomorrow;) Seriously: I wouldn't write any explanations with further details while the thing is still jumping around like this. 
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locked Re: AOL email

 

p.s. Also, as usual when I quote things, I changed the font and indented the text. It still got treated as a top post.
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locked Re: AOL email

 

Mark,

Thanks for the heads up. I tried to quote your message to my group (by copying and pasting it), but unfortunately, the entire quote got swept into ellipses by the top-posting algorithm. I hope this algorithm gets de-fanged very soon. It continues to think things are top posts when they're not. Thanks!
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locked AOL email

 

Hi all,

Just FYI, but it appears AOL is having problems today. They're deferring email delivery with a couple of different error messages, including 'Internal error'. So, I don't think it's limited to just us. When they fix their problems, the deferred emails should be delivered.

Mark


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 07:40 pm, HR Tech wrote:
maybe the language in the profile area where one sets ones user name up needs some more details/explanation.

That it does. But I wouldn't bother with that until the functionality is decided on. I, too, started wondering this afternoon what a username is good for. I think what it was good for before might end up being totally different from what it's good for now or will be in the very near future (i.e., tomorrow;) Seriously: I wouldn't write any explanations with further details while the thing is still jumping around like this. 
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