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locked Re: option to disable email aliases #suggestion

Maria
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:26 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Is this necessary now that we're re-writing emails to be From the user's email address?

Maybe not in our case then. 

Maria


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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:22 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

There are always going to be people who either don't read or don't understand this "feature" (euphemis;). Mark decided months ago to make it a setting, and announced that. I'm wondering what happened to it.

Still on the list, haven't gotten to it.

Can someone refresh my memory with a simple yes/no answer: was just changing it so that addresses aren't fig leafed when subscribers view the archives rejected?

Thanks,
Mark


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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:22 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 08:11 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Could aliases be listed in the members list, next to the "primary" email address? 

Yes please, so they are searchable in the event that's needed. 


Because of the way the database is currently structured, displaying this information in the members list will require a decent amount of work (also aliases are not currently included in the member search, for the same underlying technical reason). Is this necessary now that we're re-writing emails to be From the user's email address?

Not saying I can't do it, but it's not a 5 minute change.

Thanks,
Mark


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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Having seen it live I like it a lot better than what had been there. I'm ok with it being hidden in an expander to discourage casual use.

That said, I have some tweaks I think might improve it further:



Good idea, I've made the text changes. I kept it as one block of text however.

Thanks!
Mark 


locked Re: ordering "your groups" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:19 am, J_Catlady wrote:


it seems that (possibly?) the first heading lists first the groups that you
own
Minor clarification - It also includes the groups where you're a moderator only.

Duane


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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:18 am, Duane wrote:
If more would read what is sent to them, there'd be less problems for moderators.

There are always going to be people who either don't read or don't understand this "feature" (euphemis;). Mark decided months ago to make it a setting, and announced that. I'm wondering what happened to it.

Almost the worst part IMHO is that it's embarrassing that this still exists, because it is so archaic. As Brian points out (and pointed out then), this is just hardly ever done any more. 
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Looking into this further, it seems that (possibly?) the first heading lists first the groups that you own, in alphabetical order; and then all the groups you don't own, also in alpha order? I personally would find a simple alphabetical order (irrespective of ownership) more convenient to navigate.
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locked Re: Wishlist: Being able to "escape" e-mail addresses in posts so they show

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 07:47 am, J_Catlady wrote:


Most people don't even realize it gets truncated
I explain all this in the Group Guidelines for all my groups (sent at joining AND monthly), along with how to avoid it, and there are still folks that do it wrong. If more would read what is sent to them, there'd be less problems for moderators.

I do agree that a moderator switch could be useful on some groups though. An identifier/escape would also be welcome, but not sure how it could be implemented in text only groups.

Duane


locked ordering "your groups" #suggestion

 

I can't figure out any rhyme or reason to the ordering of the "your groups" list. Even clicking on any of the column headings doesn't seem to do anything discernible (with the exception of "approvals needed," which does seem to order numerically). Could this be alphabetical as a default? And could only the headings that affect the ordering be clickable?
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locked Re: option to disable email aliases #suggestion

Maria
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 08:11 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Could aliases be listed in the members list, next to the "primary" email address? 

Yes please, so they are searchable in the event that's needed. 

Maria


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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 04:41 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
A GMF member suggests breaking that sentence into a new paragraph

I like it in one graf. A paragraph break would be superfluous.

Also: I'm now going through my members list to see which ones have aliases (of the non-required kind) set up, and am finding this tedious. Could aliases be listed in the members list, next to the "primary" email address? 
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"most don't do it because it's not necessary virtually anywhere else"
Right, that's another thing. Most people don't even realize it gets truncated, so their efforts to post the address go for naught without their even knowing it. They probably assume it got through. I say this only half-facetiously, but if addresses are going to be fig-leafed in a post, it makes more sense to me to notify/warn the person posting that their content did not go through, as in other cases where content is (essentially) rejected.

J

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:33 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark decided a long time ago, following a very very heated battle (as I recall), that fig-leafing was going to be made a group option so that it can be turned off. I assume that's still on the todo list. 

I, too, see frequent posts where people write things like "Here's who to contact" or "contact me offlist" followed by, "Sometimes the email address doesn't come through" (then follow a bunch of question marks), "so if you can't see it, do it this way" (and then they post the thing with the words "at" and "dot").

I, too, find this is annoying and incredibly archaic and agree it serves no useful purpose (since the email addresses are not fig-leafed in the email version).. But I said all of that before. 

I hope that the setting gets implemented soon so that it can be turned off by the groups that don't want it.

J

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I am bringing this up, again, because it's so freakin' irritating and it really has never, ever made sense to me.

I participate on several groups here where people post addresses for other non-Groups.io groups or other e-mail addresses thinking that everyone will be able to see and use them.  Those of us who use the web interface simply cannot.  What happens if I click-through on a fig-leafed e-mail address is that the "To:" field consistently gets populated with everything up to and including the at sign then ". . ." afterward.

This is entirely non-functional and I have grown incredibly tired of having to ask people to post again, cutting off the first part of the e-mail address up through the at sign, so that I can actually have an e-mail address that can be used.

Can there not be some way, please, please, please, to allow a user to designate that a given e-mail address they're posting should be visible on the web interface?  I'm at wits' end with this!  Asking them to break it up is ridiculous and most don't do it because it's not necessary virtually anywhere else.
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A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Wishlist: Being able to "escape" e-mail addresses in posts so they show

 

Mark decided a long time ago, following a very very heated battle (as I recall), that fig-leafing was going to be made a group option so that it can be turned off. I assume that's still on the todo list. 

I, too, see frequent posts where people write things like "Here's who to contact" or "contact me offlist" followed by, "Sometimes the email address doesn't come through" (then follow a bunch of question marks), "so if you can't see it, do it this way" (and then they post the thing with the words "at" and "dot").

I, too, find this is annoying and incredibly archaic and agree it serves no useful purpose (since the email addresses are not fig-leafed in the email version).. But I said all of that before. 

I hope that the setting gets implemented soon so that it can be turned off by the groups that don't want it.

J

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I am bringing this up, again, because it's so freakin' irritating and it really has never, ever made sense to me.

I participate on several groups here where people post addresses for other non-Groups.io groups or other e-mail addresses thinking that everyone will be able to see and use them.  Those of us who use the web interface simply cannot.  What happens if I click-through on a fig-leafed e-mail address is that the "To:" field consistently gets populated with everything up to and including the at sign then ". . ." afterward.

This is entirely non-functional and I have grown incredibly tired of having to ask people to post again, cutting off the first part of the e-mail address up through the at sign, so that I can actually have an e-mail address that can be used.

Can there not be some way, please, please, please, to allow a user to designate that a given e-mail address they're posting should be visible on the web interface?  I'm at wits' end with this!  Asking them to break it up is ridiculous and most don't do it because it's not necessary virtually anywhere else.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray



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locked Wishlist: Being able to "escape" e-mail addresses in posts so they show

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I am bringing this up, again, because it's so freakin' irritating and it really has never, ever made sense to me.

I participate on several groups here where people post addresses for other non-Groups.io groups or other e-mail addresses thinking that everyone will be able to see and use them.  Those of us who use the web interface simply cannot.  What happens if I click-through on a fig-leafed e-mail address is that the "To:" field consistently gets populated with everything up to and including the at sign then ". . ." afterward.

This is entirely non-functional and I have grown incredibly tired of having to ask people to post again, cutting off the first part of the e-mail address up through the at sign, so that I can actually have an e-mail address that can be used.

Can there not be some way, please, please, please, to allow a user to designate that a given e-mail address they're posting should be visible on the web interface?  I'm at wits' end with this!  Asking them to break it up is ridiculous and most don't do it because it's not necessary virtually anywhere else.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


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Agreed on all counts. There's no such thing as a "primary subscription." 
J

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Mark,

> "If the email service you use for this subscription sends your
>  outgoing messages from a different address than your subscription
>  address, please enter your sending address here. Please note: No
>  group email messages or notifications are sent to this address.
>  Please be sure to check the inbox of your primary subscription
>  address for group emails and notices from group owners & moderators."
>
> I've just pushed this to the live site. I changed the word
> subscription to account in the above paragraph.

Having seen it live I like it a lot better than what had been there. I'm ok with it being hidden in an expander to discourage casual use.

That said, I have some tweaks I think might improve it further:

I'd remove the word "primary". It might cause someone to think that there are somewhere some other kinds of account addresses.

A GMF member suggests breaking that sentence into a new paragraph because people's eyes tend to glaze over at long blocks of text.

As a matter of "voice" I'd also make it descriptive rather than calling upon the user to do something. For example:

"Please note: No group email messages or notifications will be
 sent to this address; group emails and notices from group owners
 & moderators are sent only to your account address."

I switched the initial tense to "will be", reflecting the fact that this is an option which may not have been set yet by the user. I think "are" is correct in the second clause because it is true whether or not this option has been or will be set by the user.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum





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Mark,

"If the email service you use for this subscription sends your
outgoing messages from a different address than your subscription
address, please enter your sending address here. Please note: No
group email messages or notifications are sent to this address.
Please be sure to check the inbox of your primary subscription
address for group emails and notices from group owners & moderators."

I've just pushed this to the live site. I changed the word
subscription to account in the above paragraph.
Having seen it live I like it a lot better than what had been there. I'm ok with it being hidden in an expander to discourage casual use.

That said, I have some tweaks I think might improve it further:

I'd remove the word "primary". It might cause someone to think that there are somewhere some other kinds of account addresses.

A GMF member suggests breaking that sentence into a new paragraph because people's eyes tend to glaze over at long blocks of text.

As a matter of "voice" I'd also make it descriptive rather than calling upon the user to do something. For example:

"Please note: No group email messages or notifications will be
sent to this address; group emails and notices from group owners
& moderators are sent only to your account address."

I switched the initial tense to "will be", reflecting the fact that this is an option which may not have been set yet by the user. I think "are" is correct in the second clause because it is true whether or not this option has been or will be set by the user.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: option to disable email aliases #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:17 am, Shal Farley wrote:
In the primary use case that's not under Groups.io's control

Here we go again. I'm not talking about the "primary use case." I'm talking about when a group member decides willy nilly to set up some random alias. If we could limit use of aliases to the so-called primary use case, there would not even be an issue.

All moot now. 
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J

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J,

Well, obviously, I was suggesting that it be made not to bounce.
In the primary use case that's not under Groups.io's control, nor the member's. The only way for for it not to bounce would be for the member to choose a different email service.

The case you've been speaking of is a different use case (I've called it (2) or "off-label"). In that case a message to the address would not necessarily bounce.

But I still disagree with changing the function of this feature merely to handle a possible confusion that's better addressed through the name and descriptive text on the account page.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:09 am, Duane wrote:
Only the members ISP could change that. There's no control from this end.

I don't think that's correct. If it were, Groups.io could not confirm/approve/send emails to addresses it decides to. I think the bouncing is on the Groups.io side.

But it's all moot now. 
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Great, Mark. Give Maria a raise. :-)
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