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locked Re: Chat now live for beta groups

 

Good to know. Thanks, Duane.
J

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 04:03 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

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> "who can create chats" setting
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The default is currently Moderators and Owners.  The other options are Subscribers and "Chats is disabled".

Duane





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locked Re: Chat now live for beta groups

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 04:03 pm, J_Catlady wrote:


"who can create chats" setting
The default is currently Moderators and Owners. The other options are Subscribers and "Chats is disabled".

Duane


locked Re: Chat now live for beta groups

Maria
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:51 pm, David Andrews wrote:
Chats among owners and moderators (private to owners and moderators), and

To do this, you just need to set-up a subgroup for owner and moderators. Once you have that then you can create chats for this sub-set. 

Maria


locked Re: Chat now live for beta groups

 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:51 pm, David Andrews wrote:
My experience is that private discussions among ordinary groups members can be quite dangerous both for the groups members and the group itself.

This, and also the possibility of this happening in case #1, is the reason I will disable chat in my group if and when it is released outside of beta. I am assuming that the "who can create chats" setting will be something like "moderators only," "moderators and subscribers," or "nobody"?  
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locked Re: Chat now live for beta groups

 

I've done some initial experimentation with this. I foresee three different, good use cases for chats:

  1. Chats among all group members.
  2. Chats among owners and moderators (private to owners and moderators), and
  3. Chats initiated by an ordinary members to discuss issues privately with owners and moderators.

Unless I've missed something, you only support the first use case. For my group, the latter use cases would be more useful than the first. There is a fourth use case for private chats among groups of ordinary members. My experience is that private discussions among ordinary groups members can be quite dangerous both for the groups members and the group itself.

David.


locked Re: confirmation emails going into spam and worse

 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:28 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
more often than.

more often than not. Am (as usual) thinking faster than I'm typing.:-) 
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locked confirmation emails going into spam and worse

 

It appears that confirmation emails are going into spam more often than. With most of the new members in my group, they've stayed NC until I've resent the confirmation email (often multiple times), contacted them through a private (non-group) email to urge them to check their spam folder, etc. This sometimes takes days. The pending member notice usually does arrive in the regular inbox, but it seems the confirmation email is routed to spam in a large number of cases.

I'm just wondering if anything can be done about this. Every time a new member joins lately, it seems I have to go through this. There are usually at least five emails back and forth before they finally find the confirmation email. (In one case, the worst, Mark had to confirm the person individually because the confirmation email was never found, not even in spam.)
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 02:59 pm, HR Tech wrote:
I like that we see the email address if we click on the top right, but am feeling like I rather be reminded of my display name there.

Already the Display Name trumps the email address by showing up all the time, without having to click on anything. I think even that is going too far in the wrong direction. In every social media site I belong to, I can 100% of the time see some sort of account identifier at the top right, without having to click on a thing. I think using the Display Name there is already going against the grain. I would reverse these, or simply put one below the other. I don't there should ever be a time when the account ID (email address) is not visible. 
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locked Re: Wishlist: Being able to "escape" e-mail addresses in posts so they show

Maria
 

I'm pretty sure the last time we had this lengthy discussion, Mark said he would work on an option for a group owner to disable figleafing of email addresses posted within the body of an email. He just hasn't gotten to it.

Maria


locked Re: New profile stuff

Maria
 

I like that we see the email address if we click on the top right, but am feeling like I rather be reminded of my display name there.

I only use one email per display name, and in our group that will likely be the case for others. I think we need that reminder there.

Maria


locked Re: Wishlist: Being able to "escape" e-mail addresses in posts so they show

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:37 am, HR Tech wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:29 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
was just changing it so that addresses aren't fig leafed when subscribers view the archives rejected?

yes, I believe that was rejected.

Well, that doesn't mean that it couldn't be reconsidered.

As I said about something completely unrelated to Groups.io, one does not design for the rare exception [bad behavior, here] or niche market [needs of a tiny minority], but for the mass of people at the center of the user bell curve and what they expect.  You won't find many people who expect an e-mail address that they post in a message body to be made completely useless for those who interact via the web interface.  Web sniffers looking at e-mail traffic will already cull e-mail addresses at will and anti-spam filtering long ago became excellent from most major e-mail providers, so the "I could be flooded by spam if someone gets my e-mail address from an archive" (which would have to have been posted by someone to begin with, we're not talking about member e-mail addresses from a source of a post) just haven't held water for a long time now.

Were it not for the fact that the groups I refer to are here, and are not likely to leave Groups.io and I need to interact with them, I would have thrown up my hands and walked away long ago just for this reason.  It creates a completely unnecessary barrier to communication that any reasonable person would expect to be supported by default.

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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

"I'd want to be able to see that at all times."
Sorry, I meant I'd want to be able to see my email address (or other account identifier) at all times. 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I'm not crazy about the fact that the Display Name per group, which still appears at the top right even before you get into the dropdown, is taking precedence. I'd want to be able to see that at all times. It seems essential to know which account I'm logged in under.
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locked Re: New profile stuff

 

I'm not crazy about the fact that the Display Name per group, which still appears at the top right even before you get into the dropdown, is taking precedence. I'd want to be able to see that at all times. It seems essential to know which account I'm logged in under.
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locked Re: ordering "your groups" #suggestion

 

Mark,

I think if you're going to keep as essentially two separate alphabetical lists, there should be some sort of separation or demarcation between them. For the year-plus that I've been here, I've been confused by the ordering (and slightly annoyed at not being able to easily find my most commonly used groups).
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locked Re: ordering "your groups" #suggestion

 

Mark,

Right. The thinking being that you want the groups you manage listed
first so you don't have go through your entire list of groups looking
for groups that need moderation attention.
I prefer it this way, for that reason.

I can switch it to a simple alphabet sort.
No thank you.

Or I can put a drop down in so that you can toggle the view between
groups you own/manage and groups you're just subscribed to.
Um, no thank you again.

How about a checkbox for "Sort by role" that applies as a primary sort along with any of the column sorts. That is, same as current behavior if the box is checked; sorted without respect to role if unchecked. Its value should be remembered the same as the sort choice.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: New profile stuff

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:15 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I too am frequently signed in with two different email addresses in different browsers, similar to how I use other services. I think being able to see the email address (or other identifying account information) is common (perhaps even the standard?) and would be very important to me. Of course I don't mind if the Display Name per group is added to that, but I would consider the overall account info crucial.

I played around with a few different things, and the thing I liked best was adding the email address to the top of the dropdown, which I just pushed to the live site. What do you think?

Also, I'm not ignoring making display names unique per group. I just don't know how best to accomplish that yet; it's a bit tricky and there are plenty of edge cases.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: ordering "your groups" #suggestion

 

Also, there are one or two groups that I don't own, but that I go into almost as frequently as my main (owned) group, and definitely more frequently than some of the minor groups I own (my test group, etc.). So, simple minds aside, a simple alpha order also makes the most sense from the point of usage, in my case at least. In other words: frequency of usage of a group does not necessarily correspond to ownership (or being a moderator) there.
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locked Re: ordering "your groups" #suggestion

 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:36 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I can switch it to a simple alphabet sort

That would work best for simple minds like mine. I've actually been flummoxed ALL THIS TIME by the seeming non-alphabetical order. ;) 
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locked Re: Wishlist: Being able to "escape" e-mail addresses in posts so they show

Maria
 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 09:29 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
was just changing it so that addresses aren't fig leafed when subscribers view the archives rejected?

yes, I believe that was rejected. 

Maria


locked Re: ordering "your groups" #suggestion

 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:19 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Looking into this further, it seems that (possibly?) the first heading lists first the groups that you own, in alphabetical order; and then all the groups you don't own, also in alpha order? I personally would find a simple alphabetical order (irrespective of ownership) more convenient to navigate.

Right. The thinking being that you want the groups you manage listed first so you don't have go through your entire list of groups looking for groups that need moderation attention.

I can switch it to a simple alphabet sort. Or I can put a drop down in so that you can toggle the view between groups you own/manage and groups you're just subscribed to. Or I can leave it as is

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark

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