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moderated Re: Getting rid of full page refresh after choosing "Start Merge" #suggestion

 

p.s. It comes up for me under the same exact circumstances: trying to merge threads.
J

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:59 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes, this would be a HUGE improvement. The current behavior is very hard to deal with. I agree.

J

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I have no idea whether what I'm about to request is even possible, hence the wishlist hashtag.

I'm now an actual moderator on one group, and a moderator in name only (I volunteered to help in merging and/or splitting threads) on another, where a lot of thread merging is required.  Most of these threads that are split are in close proximity to each other in the Topics View because, as most often happens, they split when they were originally a new(er) topic.

If you've discovered a cluster of these *way* down the Topics View page, and do a "Start Merge", the page does a full  refresh after you've chosen that control and you're back to viewing the page as though you've just entered it.  This often means you are now very far removed from the very topic into which you wish to do the "Merge into" step and have to search for it again.  This is tedious even for a single thread merge on "old threads" but it escalates to insanity making when you're trying to do lots and lots of thread merges in succession.

If there is a way to stop the full page refresh after the "Start Merge" control is chosen, and to make sure that focus remains on or very close to the "merged into" thread after the "Merge into" step is taken it would make archive tidying a much easier process.

If there's not, then definitely let me know as I'll slowly transition myself into my Zen "that's the way it works; it's part of the charm" state and learn to deal.

(New topic, signature present - all web interface)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Getting rid of full page refresh after choosing "Start Merge" #suggestion

 

Yes, yes, yes, this would be a HUGE improvement. The current behavior is very hard to deal with. I agree.

J

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I have no idea whether what I'm about to request is even possible, hence the wishlist hashtag.

I'm now an actual moderator on one group, and a moderator in name only (I volunteered to help in merging and/or splitting threads) on another, where a lot of thread merging is required.  Most of these threads that are split are in close proximity to each other in the Topics View because, as most often happens, they split when they were originally a new(er) topic.

If you've discovered a cluster of these *way* down the Topics View page, and do a "Start Merge", the page does a full  refresh after you've chosen that control and you're back to viewing the page as though you've just entered it.  This often means you are now very far removed from the very topic into which you wish to do the "Merge into" step and have to search for it again.  This is tedious even for a single thread merge on "old threads" but it escalates to insanity making when you're trying to do lots and lots of thread merges in succession.

If there is a way to stop the full page refresh after the "Start Merge" control is chosen, and to make sure that focus remains on or very close to the "merged into" thread after the "Merge into" step is taken it would make archive tidying a much easier process.

If there's not, then definitely let me know as I'll slowly transition myself into my Zen "that's the way it works; it's part of the charm" state and learn to deal.

(New topic, signature present - all web interface)
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Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Getting rid of full page refresh after choosing "Start Merge" #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I have no idea whether what I'm about to request is even possible, hence the wishlist hashtag.

I'm now an actual moderator on one group, and a moderator in name only (I volunteered to help in merging and/or splitting threads) on another, where a lot of thread merging is required.  Most of these threads that are split are in close proximity to each other in the Topics View because, as most often happens, they split when they were originally a new(er) topic.

If you've discovered a cluster of these *way* down the Topics View page, and do a "Start Merge", the page does a full  refresh after you've chosen that control and you're back to viewing the page as though you've just entered it.  This often means you are now very far removed from the very topic into which you wish to do the "Merge into" step and have to search for it again.  This is tedious even for a single thread merge on "old threads" but it escalates to insanity making when you're trying to do lots and lots of thread merges in succession.

If there is a way to stop the full page refresh after the "Start Merge" control is chosen, and to make sure that focus remains on or very close to the "merged into" thread after the "Merge into" step is taken it would make archive tidying a much easier process.

If there's not, then definitely let me know as I'll slowly transition myself into my Zen "that's the way it works; it's part of the charm" state and learn to deal.

(New topic, signature present - all web interface)
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Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

 

Suddenly, today, the member's posts are threading correctly, even without "Re:"

The message activity log shows that he (and others) "Sent message Lysine" (instead of "Sent message Re: Lysine"). Yesterday, such posts were creating their own threads instead of threading under "Lysine." Today they are threading correctly.

I will try to get a better grip on this today and summarize it at the end of the day for Mark via support (and cc Shal). I'll also include whatever message headers seem relevant.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

 

Sorry Duane, I didn't mean "Wayne"!
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moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

 

Wayne,

That may be one case it happens, but I never go that route that so even if so, there are other cases. I'll try it anyway. I agree it might be a clue.
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moderated Re: Civil Discourse? #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 02:30 am, Nightowl >8# wrote:
I'm trying to drop it and move on

Ok, great idea! Moving on! :-) 
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moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

Anita L
 

Thanks so much. I found it and will add a signature.
 
Anita  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 1/8/2017 12:02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups
 
On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:00 am, atinalee@... wrote:
where you put your signature in?

On the bottom of the Subscriptions page for a given group in the online web interface.  You can then use the checkboxes just above it to determine whether it is appended automatically only to web posts, e-mail posts, or both.

There may be the equivalent at the user profile level but I manage all of my own signatures at the group level.

Brian, still sans automatic signature insertion on replies

 


moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:00 am, atinalee@... wrote:
where you put your signature in?

On the bottom of the Subscriptions page for a given group in the online web interface.  You can then use the checkboxes just above it to determine whether it is appended automatically only to web posts, e-mail posts, or both.

There may be the equivalent at the user profile level but I manage all of my own signatures at the group level.

Brian, still sans automatic signature insertion on replies


moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

Anita L
 

Thanks can you or someone tell me where you put your signature in? How to set that up?
I have no idea how to do that.
 
Anita 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: Duane
Date: 1/8/2017 10:25:43 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups
 
Another bit of information from this morning.  I was going to Reply to a post from within one of my groups - no sig.  However, I went to the overview page, https://groups.io/topics, clicked on the thread, clicked Reply on the post, and the sig showed up.  I checked this on a couple of groups and it seems consistent.  If others would try this, it might help point to the culprit.
 
Duane
 
 
 


moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

Duane
 

Another bit of information from this morning. I was going to Reply to a post from within one of my groups - no sig. However, I went to the overview page, https://groups.io/topics, clicked on the thread, clicked Reply on the post, and the sig showed up. I checked this on a couple of groups and it seems consistent. If others would try this, it might help point to the culprit.

Duane


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Linda
 

Brenda,
If you hover over the link in the footer, you'll see the message number.

Hope that helps,
Linda


moderated Re: Civil Discourse? #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

J_Catlady wrote:>>I don't know who the other person is you're talking about.<<

I'm not going to call her out by name in this thread, but if you check who I was replying to yesterday (before Brian), you'll see that I was responding only to her post about our mutual situation of trying to keep up in here, and stay informed of the changes.

So because of that mutual situation, and subsequent discussion, I found a better way to stay on top of the changes that are made or proposed, so it was a win win in the end.

Then I tried to answer a question Brian wrote after that, first by stating my opinion for both threading posts and locking topics would be for one month not 2 weeks, but then I stated I was thrilled that problem had been solved because locking has changed to moderating threads, and I don't use threading.

He seemed to not understand that I was not trying to get anything changed. I was just answering his question and also was it was great that locked has become moderated. I gave my opinion, that's all.

I hope this clears it up more, because I'm trying to drop it and move on.

Brenda


moderated Re: Civil Discourse? #suggestion

 

I think we (Brian and I) were responding to your past requests to change stuff that had been hashed and hashed over by the rest of us, after jumping in belatedly. In conjunction with your saying just now again that you are too busy to keep up, and that you want to keep threads open, etc, it sounded like the same thing all over again. I'm glad to hear it is not. I don't know who the other person is you're talking about. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Civil Discourse? #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Catlady wrote:>> I want to feel respected, too. We all do. You've really put your finger on it. I think I feel disrespected by the behavior Brian and I are describing. It feels actually insulting to me.<<

I'm sorry if you feel disrespected. But I didn't come in here this time and ask to reverse anything. I quietly got caught up, and then tried to understand the Footer issue, and figure out what if anything had changed. I didn't even know something had changed for me until today. So why is that disrespectful? Can you help me understand that?

Is it truly disrespectful to everyone in here that I can't sit here all day and try and keep up with the message traffic? And yes, I'm genuinely asking.

What bothers me most, is I was responding to someone else who has been busy for 2+ months and who was NOT attacked in the manner I was when saying it.

Catlady wrote:>> I was only hoping to make you understand that. Obviously I failed and you feel attacked. I apologize and sincerely wish you a nice evening.<<

I do understand that, and I did not say you attacked me. I just want it clear that I didn't behave like that this time. I did not come in here and try and undo anything. I just tried to find out what had changed, and expressed an opinion about locking and moderating. That's it.

You have a nice evening too.

Brenda


moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 02:54 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I wonder if there are fields in the header which would tell you which interface each had used. Cite those messages to Mark off-list and I'll bet he can spot it.

Ok, I'll do that and will cc you. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

 

Brian,
Our posts crossed. That's exactly it. The behavior is disrespectful. I was trying to explain that in a nice way: it is OUR feelings that get hurt when someone ignores the group while the rest of us put in time and effort and pay attention, then jumps in at the end and expects our efforts to be dumped in favor of their own desires. 
J

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Brenda,

         You have been called out for repeated egregious behavior.  It is far from disrespectful to do so.  It is you who is profoundly disrespectful of other participants here with your sense of entitlement and willingness to assert the primacy of your needs and wants over those of others, popping in when it's convenient for you to do so.

          Change your behavior and I'll immediately drop my tone.  Until then, consider picking up the clue phone!

Brian


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Civil Discourse? #suggestion

 

I want to feel respected, too. We all do. You've really put your finger on it. I think I feel disrespected by the behavior Brian and I are describing. It feels actually insulting to me.

I was only hoping to make you understand that. Obviously I failed and you feel attacked. I apologize and sincerely wish you a nice evening.

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Nightowl >8# <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Mark,

I am hoping that we will be revisiting the Code Of Conduct soon. I was happy when you stated that you wanted groups.io and specifically Beta, to be a place where people felt free to express their opinions without being attacked.

Instead, when I express mine, I always get told I'm wrong, outdated, annoying, etc. or worse, just because I have my own opinions that do not match others.

This was supposed to be a place of Civil Discourse. We are supposed to be respected in here and supposed to respect everyone else no matter what our different opinions are. That is not what this place is anymore.

I hope that is still your intention, as I don't appreciate being attacked and belittled.

Brenda



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Frances
 

Hi Brenda,

Ah! Things are complicated.

Cheers,

Frances

On Jan 7 17, at 5:42 PM, Nightowl >8# <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Frances wrote:>>Brenda, it looks like Mark fixed it already - or it was a momentary glitch. Your email arrived with this footer - including the View/Reply Online (#12399).<<

Your e-mail in my mail client doesn't have it, but John just figured out that it's only HTML footers that it's missing in, and I don't use HTML which is why you can see mine.

Thanks,

Brenda



moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Brenda,

         You have been called out for repeated egregious behavior.  It is far from disrespectful to do so.  It is you who is profoundly disrespectful of other participants here with your sense of entitlement and willingness to assert the primacy of your needs and wants over those of others, popping in when it's convenient for you to do so.

          Change your behavior and I'll immediately drop my tone.  Until then, consider picking up the clue phone!

Brian

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