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locked Re: Fix link box?

 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:16 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

What about the bug I'm specifically talking about here (not the wiki page situation), where an autolinked URL does not stay autolinked in the archived message? 

Same bug.

Mark 


locked Re: Fix link box?

 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 03:13 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If the last line of a document was a URL that got auto linked, we wouldn't see that linked version. Now we do.

Finally! Yay!

What about the bug I'm specifically talking about here (not the wiki page situation), where an autolinked URL does not stay autolinked in the archived message? 
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locked Re: Fix link box?

 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Here's the problem. I remembered this right after typing my last message but tested it out when I got home. The string does linkify when you hit "enter." But the link is lost in the archives.

I don't think this is the same thing that LeeAnne was referring to. BUT.... I was finally able to reproduce and fix this. If the last line of a document was a URL that got auto linked, we wouldn't see that linked version. Now we do.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Fix link box?

 

Mark,

Here's the problem. I remembered this right after typing my last message but tested it out when I got home. The string does linkify when you hit "enter." But the link is lost in the archives. It doesn't show up as a link. Many, many times (before I realized this was a consistent "feature";) I used to go in and edit the message to make it a link again. And I was perplexed, because the link did show up in emails. But apparently that was just the email client turning it into a link. In the archives, the links don't stay linkified unless you specifically use the link button. 

(I think this is related to the bug - which I still experience but which "behaved itself" when you tried it - of links disappearing if they are the last text in a wiki page. I now always specifically use the link button, even if the string linkifies on "enter." Because it does not stay linkified.)


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:26 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, They do not linkify for me either, from either safari or Firefox. The link appears in emails but not on the web unless I specifically use the link button.


I just tried this on Safari. Go to New Topic, start typing in a message, type in something that looks like a URL, like http://groups.io, then keep typing my message and the URL is automatically linkified. It doesn't do that for you?

Thanks,
Mark



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locked Re: Fix link box?

LeeAnne
 

Sorry all, in the previous message I replied within the quoted message so you have to click on the dots to see it. 
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locked Re: Fix link box?

LeeAnne
 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:17 am, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:46 AM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...> wrote:

Our group uses lots of links and we are having much trouble with membership not being able to figure out how to add an active link.  Many posted links look like this:


You're referring to posting on the website, where typing in something that looks like a URL automatically linkifies it? I tried to get it to not linkify something and couldn't reproduce the problem. What browser are you using? What's the best way to reproduce this?
Sadly 'twas not I who had this problem.  I will try to get you the answers on this.  
 

However, that is a slow process and even when they have a blue active link in their messages, it sometimes it still doesn't post as active.  Mark in a recent support email you said it might be because members are cutting and pasting from a document or email on a Windows machine. Moderators often do that often as there is such a large amount of often repeated information when new members start posting.  We actually have about three mods whose sole job is to "greet" new members and give them guidance to get started helping their horses.  Is there a better way around doing posting long "form" type messages?  Would copying from a wiki page be better or would that be just as bad because it is still being copied on a PC? 

A problem that I believe some people see is that they copy and paste from a word doc or an Outlook message. What they're copying includes a link. But what is pasted does not contain a link, instead it contains a blue, underlined piece of text. I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is yet.
That sounds like the issue - again it wasn't me, I'm just asking about what some of the mods have reported.  It is most likely they were using a copy and paste "form letter". 

1. Is there a way to stop a message from being posted when someone hits "enter" when adding a hyper text link to a message?  If we tell the membership how to make hypertext links, we will likely be overwhelmed with incomplete messages. 

Definitely bad behavior and it's fixed now. 
Thank you!  


2. Also, Is it possible to not have the text to be linked to auto displayed(?) in the To what URL should this link go field?

I've changed it so that the URL field is blank now.
Thank you again, Mark you are the best!

 
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locked Re: Beta end projection?

 

Yep, easy group transfer will always be available, and at some point will include photos and files.

Thanks,
Mark


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Will you also retain the Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo even when you're out of beta?

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locked Re: Beta end projection?

 

Mark,

Will you also retain the Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo even when you're out of beta?


locked Re: Beta end projection?

 

This was just asked in a support message, but I figured it'd be better answered here. There will always be the free version of Groups.io, even when we're out of beta.

Thanks,
Mark


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Mark,

Thanks for the reply. September seems reasonable to me. I'll alert a few Yahoo groups to be ready for the move.

Mark Fletcher wrote: "I don't have a hard date yet, but my guess is it'll be in September. That'll mark 2 years of being in beta, which I think is long enough. :-) "



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Hi,

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:50 AM, choicer27yrs via Groups.io <choicer27yrs@...> wrote:

I have been following this group for quite a while but just joined so I could ask a question. Is there a projection for when the beta period for groups.io will end? I believe there are quite a few Yahoo users who are planning to move their activity here but who are waiting for the time when groups.io is out of beta test.


I don't have a hard date yet, but my guess is it'll be in September. That'll mark 2 years of being in beta, which I think is long enough. :-) 

The biggest remaining item is the Enterprise version, which I hope to finish soon. When we leave beta, I'll probably change the name of this group. And I will turn on recurring payments (right now, if you sign up for a premium plan, you're only charged the initial $10, even if the plan has a recurring monthly charge). But really, not much will change in terms of how I or the service work.

Cheers,
Mark


locked Re: Fix link box?

 

Obviously, Safari says to itself, 'Wait, that's Mark Fletcher! I better behave myself!' 

No, it doesn't work for me and hasn't in a long time. I've reported this before. When I get home I'll do a bunch of examples and try to figure out more details.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:26 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, They do not linkify for me either, from either safari or Firefox. The link appears in emails but not on the web unless I specifically use the link button.


I just tried this on Safari. Go to New Topic, start typing in a message, type in something that looks like a URL, like http://groups.io, then keep typing my message and the URL is automatically linkified. It doesn't do that for you?

Thanks,
Mark

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locked Re: Fix link box?

 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:26 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, They do not linkify for me either, from either safari or Firefox. The link appears in emails but not on the web unless I specifically use the link button.


I just tried this on Safari. Go to New Topic, start typing in a message, type in something that looks like a URL, like http://groups.io, then keep typing my message and the URL is automatically linkified. It doesn't do that for you?

Thanks,
Mark


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Mark, They do not linkify for me either, from either safari or Firefox. The link appears in emails but not on the web unless I specifically use the link button.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

LeeAnne,


On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:46 AM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...> wrote:

Our group uses lots of links and we are having much trouble with membership not being able to figure out how to add an active link.  Many posted links look like this:



You're referring to posting on the website, where typing in something that looks like a URL automatically linkifies it? I tried to get it to not linkify something and couldn't reproduce the problem. What browser are you using? What's the best way to reproduce this?
 

However, that is a slow process and even when they have a blue active link in their messages, it sometimes it still doesn't post as active.  Mark in a recent support email you said it might be because members are cutting and pasting from a document or email on a Windows machine. Moderators often do that often as there is such a large amount of often repeated information when new members start posting.  We actually have about three mods whose sole job is to "greet" new members and give them guidance to get started helping their horses.  Is there a better way around doing posting long "form" type messages?  Would copying from a wiki page be better or would that be just as bad because it is still being copied on a PC? 

A problem that I believe some people see is that they copy and paste from a word doc or an Outlook message. What they're copying includes a link. But what is pasted does not contain a link, instead it contains a blue, underlined piece of text. I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is yet.

1. Is there a way to stop a message from being posted when someone hits "enter" when adding a hyper text link to a message?  If we tell the membership how to make hypertext links, we will likely be overwhelmed with incomplete messages. 

Definitely bad behavior and it's fixed now. 


2. Also, Is it possible to not have the text to be linked to auto displayed(?) in the To what URL should this link go field?

I've changed it so that the URL field is blank now.

Thanks,
Mark 

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locked Re: Fix link box?

 

LeeAnne,


On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:46 AM, LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...> wrote:

Our group uses lots of links and we are having much trouble with membership not being able to figure out how to add an active link.  Many posted links look like this:


You're referring to posting on the website, where typing in something that looks like a URL automatically linkifies it? I tried to get it to not linkify something and couldn't reproduce the problem. What browser are you using? What's the best way to reproduce this?
 

However, that is a slow process and even when they have a blue active link in their messages, it sometimes it still doesn't post as active.  Mark in a recent support email you said it might be because members are cutting and pasting from a document or email on a Windows machine. Moderators often do that often as there is such a large amount of often repeated information when new members start posting.  We actually have about three mods whose sole job is to "greet" new members and give them guidance to get started helping their horses.  Is there a better way around doing posting long "form" type messages?  Would copying from a wiki page be better or would that be just as bad because it is still being copied on a PC? 

A problem that I believe some people see is that they copy and paste from a word doc or an Outlook message. What they're copying includes a link. But what is pasted does not contain a link, instead it contains a blue, underlined piece of text. I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is yet.

1. Is there a way to stop a message from being posted when someone hits "enter" when adding a hyper text link to a message?  If we tell the membership how to make hypertext links, we will likely be overwhelmed with incomplete messages. 

Definitely bad behavior and it's fixed now. 


2. Also, Is it possible to not have the text to be linked to auto displayed(?) in the To what URL should this link go field?

I've changed it so that the URL field is blank now.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Maria,

             What you say makes perfect sense if you have that many subgroups.  It would be interesting, though far more coding work [which I'm not proposing, by the way], to do something like if there are 5 or fewer subgroups just present them sans the need for a button or link and if more present the link that would reveal them.

              The button, link, alone would be enough to greatly increase general user recognition of the presence/existence of subgroups.  That would be fine as far as I'm concerned.

               Fifty subgroups of a single group suggests to me that you really have more than one group that you're bundling under one very general umbrella group.
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locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Maria
 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:25 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
To each his or her own on the final design, and that could be fleshed out.  I'd rather see the top list, with each subgroup having a single line that clearly indicates its current "new message" status if you're logged in.

Just by way of explanation, the reason I don't feel the top list will work for groups like ours is that we have over 50 subgroups. So putting the link and recent activity on top of the main group topics would essentially bury the main group's topics view/ messages view page. It would create a subgroups list plastered on top of the main topics list when you have groups with many subgroups. 

Thats the reason I think a separate subgroups menu item would work better and be cleaner design-wise.

Maria 



locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Unless I'm somehow the exception, when using the topics view, which is all I use, it is as though subgroups do not exist.  There is no way when you land on the topics page to know that there are subgroups.  Even if it were a single button at the top that read Subgroups and somehow gave an indication as to whether or not there were new messages "hiding" there would be a major improvement.

To each his or her own on the final design, and that could be fleshed out.  I'd rather see the top list, with each subgroup having a single line that clearly indicates its current "new message" status if you're logged in.  I'm perfectly OK with alternatives that require a "click to check" with some sort of clear, fixed indicator on the main messages/topics page.  If you don't have that then we're back to square one, particularly since the far more logical "land on messages/topics page" default has been implemented.   I am subscribed to a number of subgroups, most of which I have e-mail notification on for because they get little traffic, but if twenty more were created for a given group I'd be really unlikely at this point to ever know that they were there if they were not announced.

I consider subgroups to be part and parcel of a group, but just a way to guide message creation in a more structured way.  As a general rule, though few have them here, I like any group to have a "chat" group that allows members to post whatever they please (within the realm of common decency).  I have yet to be a member of any group where, at one point or another, members don't post something that's off-topic because they want to solicit answers from people they think might have them who they interact with regularly on the actual central topic of a group.
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locked Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Maria
 

(Making this in to a separate suggestion from the sub-group and member directory threads)

Would it be possible to separate the menu options which are visible to both members and owners/mods from those only viewable to owners/mods?

So that all the owner setting and admin options are under the group menu options(home/messages/new topic/calendar/photos/files/databases/wiki/hangout/subscription etc) and not intermixed?

Perhaps the admin pages can be submenu items of a main "Admin" menu item to further differentiate?

This may also make it easier to think about potential menu options that resemble some admin options: like a potential member directory or a subgroups directory.

Thank you!

Maria


locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

Maria
 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 05:36 am, HR Tech wrote:
Perhaps it's worth thinking about separating what are admin menu options and what are the group options

At minimum I think it's worth revisiting the order of the menu items in the owner/mods view. 

We currently have options that are not visible to members intermixed with options that are.

I'd put all the member viewable options on top and the admin only on the bottom. Preferably in an Admin top menu with sub-menu choices.

(sorry for fragmented thoughts!)

Maria

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