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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

Actually, upon further thought I agree with Brenda (shocker!) that you shouldn't have to hover to get the message #. Although contrary to what Brenda says I don't think that many people use them for navigation or search (according to the query by Mark a few months ago), I do think the sequential ordering of messages as a whole should be visible without having to hover. For example, the message #'s all appearing on the same page (without hovering) lets moderators easily see that a message has been deleted, without having to pore through logs and/or use guesswork.

Bottom line, I don't think you should have to hover over either thing, message # OR date. Unlike Trump (according to Borowitz, see below), I have nothing against numbers, even lots of them, if they are helpful.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report

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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>I think this would be better. <<

I am completely against hiding the Message Numbers. I have explained in depth that I and others use them to navigate, and for reference. I cannot do that if they are hidden.

Brenda


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

On 8/16/2016 10:03 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io wrote:>> - either the message # be something you find by hovering over the link icon<<
That would never work for me. I use the message number to navigate, as I have explained before, and it cannot be used in that manner if it is not showing. I am completely against having to hover for the Message #.

Brenda


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

I use message numbers all the time and would prefer they not be hidden.

I'd also be happier with a full date/time time stamp shown without hovering, though it would also be OK to say "Today" or "Yesterday" in place of the dates on recent messages. Full time stamps would make it easier to figure out where I left off reading from a previous day.

JohnF


locked Re: keep history available for members who left #suggestion

 

I tried that for the particular member who left this morning. They didn't show up under either "changed email" or "changed name." I did a search in the log using the member's name and the only thing that came up was "left via web." Nothing even for "applied for membership." It's possible the member joined before we moved from Yahoo.

Bug report while I'm at it (will also email support): After entering a search term (in this case, the member name) into the search box in the member activity log, and doing the first search, the search term won't go away. Even after deleting it, it comes back again and again with all those symbols. (This used to be a general search bug but got fixed. Evidently it remains in the activity log search.)

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locked Re: keep history available for members who left #suggestion

Maria
 

Second.

J - can you test if you search the logs for the new email address if it will tell you what the old one was? Like a xx@email . com changed their address from zzz @ email.com ?

This way at least we can determine who the person leaving "was" and you can match it to your join records?

Curious because I am sure this is something we will also have a need for.

Thanks!

Maria


locked keep history available for members who left #suggestion

 

Often I'll get a notice that such-and-such @ whatever email address "has left." Sometimes I don't even remember who that was. Sometimes they've changed their name and/or email address since joining so I can't even find them in my emails or their initial join request. The notice provides a link to the former member, but that leads to a dead end if they have no Groups.io profile, and even if they do have a profile, it leads only to their profile and no information about their activity in the group. 

When a member leaves the group, I'd like to be able to recall something about who they are and what they were doing in the group. Is it possible, when a group member leaves, to retain a "unsubscribed/left member" page and to offer the option, when the member leaves, of deleting it or keeping it?
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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 08:28 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
The message number is and always will be the cyber equivalent of an appendix to me.

I use it once in a blue moon. I find it (irrationally?) reassuring that it's there, but that's about it. :-) 
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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

           You'll know I concur with the message number by hover, since I never use message numbers and always give the full click-through link if I am trying to direct someone to a specific message since the numbers are a completely arbitrary thing with no inherent meaning.

            The message number is and always will be the cyber equivalent of an appendix to me.
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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Maria
 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 08:02 am, Shal Farley wrote:
if the shorter format is really helpful on mobile.

On mobile you don't see the message # - and that's totally fine.

If you added date+time instead of only time or only date, you'd just need to make the font a touch smaller but it would totally work (in single message view).

Maria


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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 08:03 am, HR Tech wrote:
the message # be something you find by hovering over the link icon

I think this would be better.  
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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Maria
 

In Y! groups you see the date and time ( not year) when you click in to a message ( so not in the message list view).

So it would read: Aug 14 7:23 PM

Here we have the message # which adds another visual of numbers and I suspect that adding the whole date+time plus that message # on same line won't look nice at all.

I'd suggest if the date/time is made viewable without the hover that:

- either the message # be something you find by hovering over the link icon

or

- that the time date be in small grey type under the author

Or some other way to not make that right hand corner look like an enormous amount of #'s between the message # on the nav arrows, the blue message # and then the date/time. Too much :)

Maria


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

Duane,

I use Absolute time as my site preference, so not sure if this is the
same for Relative.
Mark said he is moving (has moved?) away from using that preference.
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/10000

Perhaps what is needed is another distinction between the desktop and mobile interface, if the shorter format is really helpful on mobile.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Duane & J,

              I hadn't known about the hover.  Speaking for myself, that's absolutely not preferable and really not usable for all practical intents and purposes.  I really want to be able to glance down the page of open messages in a thread and see the full date-time stamp as part of each message so that I am able to reconstruct the timing in a series of messages.

              This is the only site that I use that doesn't use a full date-time stamp for all date-time related information by default.   I really have no problem with time only for messages from today, as it's clear that when you're seeing time only it's only for messages from today.  Any older messages should have not only the date, but the time displayed as well.
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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

Brian,

I recently posed a question on GMF about this because I wasn't seeing absolute dates any more, and got the same answer from Duane about hovering. I answered that I always forget to hover. Now that you, too, are bringing this up (unless I misunderstand your post), I'll second it. I do find having to hover inconvenient and would expect that since I have date setting set to absolute, I would see that in general without having to hover. It would be much more convenient. Plus, most people will absolutely not know that they can hover and see the absolute time. They'll just assume (as I did) that the only thing available is the date. I agree that in a quick-moving conversation especially, you want to know exactly when messages were posted. Even if you can hover on one at a time, you still can't see the sequence of all the times at once.
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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Duane
 

Hovering on the Date of a post will show the time when it's from the previous day (or earlier.) I use Absolute time as my site preference, so not sure if this is the same for Relative.

Duane


locked Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The title pretty much sums it up.

There are many times when I find it very handy to know exactly how many minutes, hours, etc., transpired between two posts in a single thread/topic.  Unless there's a setting somewhere at the user level I've forgotten or can't find, posts from the current day show only the time (which is fine, so long as it remains the current day) but as soon as midnight passes what is displayed reverts to date only.

On other sites such as this one I have seen either constant standard date-time, e.g., "On Tue., 8/16/2006 at 10:20 AM," or "Today, 9:08 AM."   Sometimes the use of today/yesterday for those two dates, e.g., "Posted Yesterday at 5:50 PM," is used.   

I know that the actual date-time stamp for posting exists behind the scenes and the time only is being used for posts from today and the date only is being used for older posts.  I'd really prefer a true date-time stamp be shown.

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locked Re: Earthlink block update

 

Hi All,

As of this afternoon, it appears that Earthlink is no longer blocking us.

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Bob,

> I have several earthlink hosted domains with emails used in groups.io
> and I'm not seeing any blocking.

I was wondering about that. My company recently moved from Earthlink to DreamHost for hosted domain service, and I was thinking perhaps I'd dodged a bullet.

But I think the hosted domain email service is fairly independent of their standard email service, so I'm not too surprised to learn that yours get through where ordinary users don't.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum






locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Linda
 

Hi,
If anything I would like the admin-only list at the top so it's not necessary to scroll down through the members' links every time.
Linda

Maria wrote:
I'd put all the member viewable options on top and the admin only on the bottom. Preferably in an Admin top menu with sub-menu choices.


locked Re: Fix link box?

 

Great. I had a feeling those were related. 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:16 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

What about the bug I'm specifically talking about here (not the wiki page situation), where an autolinked URL does not stay autolinked in the archived message? 

Same bug.

Mark 



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