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locked Re: Change presentation for Subgroups #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I just pushed a first pass at a Subgroups page. It's a new sidebar menu item. Subgroups are sorted by name and the ones you're not subscribed to are shown first. The page doesn't infinite scroll yet, but will like the others when I'm done with it. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Maria,

             What you say makes perfect sense if you have that many subgroups.  It would be interesting, though far more coding work [which I'm not proposing, by the way], to do something like if there are 5 or fewer subgroups just present them sans the need for a button or link and if more present the link that would reveal them.

              The button, link, alone would be enough to greatly increase general user recognition of the presence/existence of subgroups.  That would be fine as far as I'm concerned.

               Fifty subgroups of a single group suggests to me that you really have more than one group that you're bundling under one very general umbrella group.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray



locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:26 am, HR Tech wrote:

Even before the re-organization of the admin menu items, I was feeling that we need a quicker way to get to:

1- pending messages

2- pending members

Absolutely. It was borderline before, but four clicks I'd call unacceptable. I like the idea of pulling "pending" stuff out, even more than just out of "Admin." It already took THREE clicks to get to pending members. 
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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Maria
 

Even before the re-organization of the admin menu items, I was feeling that we need a quicker way to get to:

1- pending messages

2- pending members

On mobile it's fantastically quick in that the list that shows all your groups has a direct link to pending messages ( one click ).

On Y! you see links for pending members and messages at the top of the browser and I always use those to access needed moderator actions.

I think here - on desktop - we need a one click access to access "pending" and in pending you can tab through to messages/photos/members.

Which is why I think making the distinction between "pending" stuff and the other admin/setting items would be useful on two counts.

I'd go so far as to suggest that owners/mods see active links to the right on the group name/messages breadcrumb trail - on that grey bar - 2 links: one to pending messages direct and one to pending members direct.

In addition to pulling "pending" out of admin and having it be it's own easily accessible area where you can get to pending stuff with one or 2 clicks. Messages with one, members with 2, etc because once you click "pending" you'd get to an area where there are tabs for all the pending items.

The other admin stuff, I actually really like that it's separate and that it takes extra steps to get to. It makes me feel secure that i won't go in to a settings page by accident. I like that extra layer of having to intentionally make a step to go there and for them being grouped together. There are also some menu items that I will hardly ever use, so why see them every day.

Maria


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Mike Fay <mikefay8888@...>
 

Very nice !!
 
Mike Fay


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

To get to pending members now takes 4 clicks: Admin, Members, Members dropdown, Pending.
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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

1. is already done, not good enough. If stuff is pulled out, it needs to include at least pending messages and members. Don't like the idea.

2. Is good. I'd want everything viewable at all times.

Yes, it looks nice. Loved it until I actually started using it. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Maria
 

So, I definitely think "pending" should be pulled out of the "admin" menu. I've been playing around with it and that would be my #1 suggestion.

Then, if it can just stay expanded and remember that until you close it yourself, as long as you are in groups.io, even if you bounce between groups, subgroups etc,  that would resolve the issue of having to make 2 clicks instead of 1.

But I really like that all the admin stuff is now clearly defined.

Maria


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Maria
 

These would be my suggestions:

1- Have an indicator next to "admin" to indicate pending activity - or pull out of there pending messages/members as that is stuff we tend to every day/ every hour...

2- Have the system remember if the admin expands the menu so that he/she doesn't have to repeat the expand each time. So, if you like the options always viewable you can have them that way because it remembers that you do..?

Otherwise, I do like that it's cleaner and that those items are separate from the user /member items. Less confusing.

I just think that if the system could keep it open for you when you expand it, that would be better - or at minimum to treat "pending" stuff differently as that's stuff we go to multiple times x day or hour.

Maria


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

Mark,

I'm now going to reverse myself on this. Everything that used to take one click before now takes two. I hate it! 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

Second. Looks great.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks good to me! I haven't had a chance to use all the choices yet, but not expecting any glitches. ;>)

Duane


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

Duane
 

Looks good to me! I haven't had a chance to use all the choices yet, but not expecting any glitches. ;>)

Duane


locked Re: Separate Admin Menu options from member menu options #suggestion

 

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:40 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

(Making this in to a separate suggestion from the sub-group and member directory threads)

Would it be possible to separate the menu options which are visible to both members and owners/mods from those only viewable to owners/mods?


I had thought about doing this before but had not gotten around to it. I just pushed this change. Now there's an Admin menu option under Home, that's a drop down with all the admin menu items within it. Big change. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

I don't care what happens in single or expanded view. I would like to be able to see the overall sequence and relative times in the big list.
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J

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locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Maria
 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:24 pm, J_catlady wrote:
Yes. 

Ohhhh! I was talking about the date/time in the single view or expanded thread view ( and my suggestion about the message # being embedded in the message # link icon was limited to that) and as mentioned I think there just moving the date / time over to under the author could work if that item became longer.

So, on the message / topics list if more detailed info is needed and is added about the time/date there is probably plenty of space on the existing line - if not, maybe that font can be made smaller and grey there too?

Again - just ideas.

Maria


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:17 pm, HR Tech wrote:
Are you guys talking about adding date+time to the topics/message list

Yes. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Maria
 

Just to clarify - I am talking about in single message view or when you view all messages in a thread. I am not talking about the topics or messages list.

Are you guys talking about adding date+time to the topics/message list? If so I would not be in favor of that really... but don't mind the way Y! does it now where you see the date/time in the single message or the expanded thread view.

As to where I would move the date+time stamp if it were expanded to include all that info in single message view or expanded thread view, my suggestion was visualizing it in small grey font under the author's name so that it aligns with the bottom of the profile pic. Just like on facebook's web version and notification emails. Again, in single message view and when you see the whole thread only.

Just an idea if the date gets longer.

Maria



locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

 

That sounds great, but would it add another whole (unnecessary) line to the display? If not, sounds great. If it adds a line (resulting in fewer messages per page), I'd vote against it.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Maria
 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:44 am, J_catlady wrote:
I have nothing against numbers, even lots of them, if they are helpful.

I don't either, and I don't have anything against the message #, but I do think that the design should be clean and beautiful and that's easy to do by moving things around, selecting type size and color etc... My suggestions were based on my feeling that having full date+time +message # all on one line would not look good.

I think having date+ time under the author's name in small grey would look nice - which in turn would give the message # some breathing space.

Maria


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

So, now all voices have spoken.

There does not seem to be any objection and, in fact, there appears to be support for a full date-time stamp of some sort.

Message number is it's own thing and I have no objection if it stays or goes, as I ignore it.  It's just fine if it stays, as people very quickly adjust to whatever standard display format is used on a given venue and put in place the mental filters that allow them to focus on the information presented that is relevant to them.  I haven't, and am not, asking for it to be removed.  That was someone else's suggestion and it was exactly that:  a suggestion.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Make Date (or Time, when newer) on Messages consistently Date-Time #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

JohnF via Groups.io wrote:>>I use message numbers all the time and would prefer they not be hidden.<<

Same here. I believe I've already stressed the importance of navigating using the Message Numbers and would not want them hidden. I feel as strongly about this now as I did before. It's a way to navigate that many people use, they just aren't in here to point it out.

One of the main reasons that Yahoo failed so badly in their redesign, was that they started hiding all the controls, the information, forcing everyone to hover or mouse over things just to find them. I do not understand the desperate need to "unclutter" the desktop interface, because the whole point of finding a new home was to avoid that problem, get our controls and information back where we could see them, especially for those for whom hovering and flashing controls cause people with disabilities to have bad reactions.

I would hate to see us go down that same road on this platform when we have worked so hard for two years to tweak it to the point where it met the majority of needs of the Yahoo refugees.

If the problem is on Mobile, then maybe it needs a separate redesign. That's where Yahoo failed, in trying to create one platform that fits all.

Brenda

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