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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 04:21 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
I hear "multiple profiles" and I'm really thinking "multiple identities"

I'm still not sure I'd even call them multiple "profiles" at all. To me, "profile" reads as "identity," complete with a unique Profile Name. But these are simply a subset of the display attributes that can be changed on a per-group basis. The display name, for example (now called simply "Name" on the member's page within a group) can already be changed on a per-group basis. So-called "multiple profiles" are just an expansion of that. 

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 04:16 pm, HR Tech wrote:
re: the changes to the main profile not cascading if you have specifically changed something ( like a photo) in your subscription profile - what about a check box to hav eth option to make those changes apply to your subscription profiles too?

Yes, agree, I think it needs that or, at minimum, an explanation of what will or won't happen (cascade or not). 
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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 04:16 pm, HR Tech wrote:
I think we need to think about making the fact that there is a MAIN profile and there are SUBSCRIPTION based profiles clearer...

 That's almost my entire point. I hear "multiple profiles" and I'm really thinking "multiple identities" - with multiple profile names and the whole thing. It is really, really unclear now that that is not what's meant.
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Exactly. "Profile for This Group," "Photo for This Group," "Display Name for This Group," etc. Alternately, "for this subscription."

And "for This Group" or "Group Profile" or "Subscription Profile" not only at the top of the subscription-profile page, but also on the buttons used to get there.

And use "Subscription Profile" or "Profile for This Group" everywhere the object is discussed, and "Main Profile" everywhere THAT is discussed. "Profile Name" might also be renamed "Main Profile Name."
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Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 03:47 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
I really like the terms "main profile" and "subscription profiles"

I like those too.

And re: the changes to the main profile not cascading if you have specifically changed something ( like a photo) in your subscription profile - what about a check box to hav eth option to make those changes apply to your subscription profiles too?

And in fact - I think we need to think about making the fact that there is a MAIN profile and there are SUBSCRIPTION based profiles clearer... Perhaps on that MAIN profile area when you go to it, you should also see links to your subscription profiles? Or something that consolidates it all on one page so you can manage it all? A better version of the Y! manage my groups page...but instead a "Manage my profiles" in the main profile area. ?

Maria


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Maria
 

I'd like to see the "Name" in the member list be called "Display Name" as it seems that's what it is.

I'd also like to see the words "for this group" or "group profile" added instead of just "profile" when you go to the group specific profile via the subscription page.

I'd also like to see the "for this group" or "group display name" to be the words you see when you get to your display name via the subscription page for the group you are in. 

Maria


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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 03:41 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
If you change your 'main' profile, as you used to do, it'll cascade to all of your subscription profiles (except for the parts you've changed).

Another issue: If I make any change to my main profile, I would expect it TO cascade down to all of my subscription profiles, even ones I've changed. If I do make such a change, it's only because I would want it to apply to all my subscription profiles (otherwise why would I do it)? If it doesn't cascade down, that forces me to go into each subscription profile that I've changed and make the change(s) there. 

Also: I really like the terms "main profile" and "subscription profiles" used here and would be sure to USE those terms in the main profile page and subscription profile pages, respectively, and in the corresponding buttons to them. I think this will eliminate the confusion that I mentioned in the beginning of the previous post. (I still think the term "multiple profiles" is more confusing than useful, and perhaps could be changed to "multiple subscription profiles.")
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Ok. I see, as before, that Profile Name is a field in the profile. I also see Display Name in the profile, but I no longer remember whether that was there before "multiple profiles." I'm fairly sure that it was. However, I know that "Display Name" used to exist in a member's page within a group, but a later decision was made to change the term to "Name," which is what appears now on the member's page within a group.

I'm repeating here what Mark said originally in this thread about multiple profiles, for ease of reference:

Now you can have individual profiles for each subscription. And there's a new privacy setting for each profile. If you change your 'main' profile, as you used to do, it'll cascade to all of your subscription profiles (except for the parts you've changed). To change a profile on one of your subscriptions, go to your Subscription page on the group and click the Profile button.

My questions/issues/suggestions are regarding overall terminology. I think it's currently as clear as muddy water. I'll try to separate out some issues:

1.  Starting at the top, with the name of this feature: If there really are "multiple profiles," one would assume that means multiple, separate profiles, with separate Profile Names.  But there are not. I think there needs to be a name for these that makes it clear that they are not completely separate profiles, and that really all that's changeable are a subset of the profile elements, and that they correspond to groups. I can't think of a name offhand. But "multiple profiles" ain't it for me.

2. If one goes into Edit Profile from a subscription page, does Display Name refer to the name that's displayed for the member's posts that group? If so, then it's the same as Name in the member's page for the group (and I would expect the Name to change there in tandem) . I would change BOTH to Display Name for This Group. Otherwise, people have no idea what "Name" means on the member page and how it relates to "Display Name" in the profile (main or otherwise) and "Profile Name." I see this confusion already in these discussions here, and I personally am drowning in it.

3. In general, to expand on (2): When I go into Edit Profile from a Subscription page, the terminology there leaves me completely unaware that I am changing elements of my profile *only for that group*. I think this really needs to be clarified. Currently, it looks like just a convenience: "Hey, I can edit my profile from within any group!" And that is not the case. You could make the counter-argument that, well, members will see that not all the fields are there. But I think it's unlikely they'll make the connection between that and the fact that they're changing that subset of elements only for that group. (Even if they notice it, they may simply conclude that only those elements are changeable from a group, and still believe that the changes are made to their global profile.) I think they will tend to make changes to "their profile," and later go their profile from elsewhere, and go, "Hey, I changed this. Why is it still the same?"

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:11 am, Sue wrote:
this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others

It was up to members before the switch to multiple profiles, and would have remained so. Now members can't even choose to do it. 

I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.

But sometimes you're not looking for groups. You happen see that a friend or acquaintance is in one, and it occurs to you to join. This is not advertising or any kind of marketing scheme. No money is involved. It was just something of a convenience, and I hope it can be brought back, if it's not too complicated.

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:51 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Sorry j started a new one,

That was a typo, not me talking about myself in the third person. ;) 
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Of course it should under user control. The issue is that even the option went away. The threads are now mixed up. A lot of this has already been said. Sorry j started a new one, hopefully Mark will merge them.
J


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On Oct 9, 2016, at 10:03 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:14 am, J_Catlady wrote:
showing the groups someone belongs to is a way for people in any given group to find out about related others.

My thoughts:  a) this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others and b) Should be up to the group owner if they want their group cross promoted  -  in the same way that you can control that on FB by controlling if your page is shown as a suggested page in similar pages. Not exactly the same - but like J, I've also never liked the way certain platforms market other groups to group members of similar groups.

I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.

Maria


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Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:15 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Maria, do your comments apply to the new implementation? I'm looking for info on what Mark has called "the new world order." I was fairly clear about what was happening before that. Just checking. Thanks .  
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I think so... It's what i am seeing now. 

Maria


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Sue
 

Completely agree, Maria.

 

Sue

 

>My thoughts:  a) this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others and b) Should be up to the group owner if they want their group cross promoted  -  in the same way that you can control that on FB by controlling if your page is shown as a suggested page in similar pages.

>I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.


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Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:14 am, J_Catlady wrote:
showing the groups someone belongs to is a way for people in any given group to find out about related others.

My thoughts:  a) this should be up to a member whether to share what groups they are in with others and b) Should be up to the group owner if they want their group cross promoted  -  in the same way that you can control that on FB by controlling if your page is shown as a suggested page in similar pages. Not exactly the same - but like J, I've also never liked the way certain platforms market other groups to group members of similar groups.

I think if one wants to find groups to join that's what the directory is for.

Maria


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Oh this is probably still messy... more later when I have time to look in detail. Things don't seem to match...

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On Oct 9, 2016, at 9:56 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:10 am, J_Catlady wrote:
They could be changed before, but they are called "names," not "display names" (EXCEPT in the dropdown search - perhaps this needs tweaking). I'm trying to get the names of the names clarified, as well as the correspondence (1-1 or otherwise) between profiles, groups, etc.

Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing ;)

In the profile area, it says "Display Name" and underneath "The name listed with your posts."

Where do you see display names called just "names"?

Maria


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Maria
 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:10 am, J_Catlady wrote:
They could be changed before, but they are called "names," not "display names" (EXCEPT in the dropdown search - perhaps this needs tweaking). I'm trying to get the names of the names clarified, as well as the correspondence (1-1 or otherwise) between profiles, groups, etc.

Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing ;)

In the profile area, it says "Display Name" and underneath "The name listed with your posts."

Where do you see display names called just "names"?

Maria


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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:01 am, HR Tech wrote:
As far as I can tell:

Maria, do your comments apply to the new implementation? I'm looking for info on what Mark has called "the new world order." I was fairly clear about what was happening before that. Just checking. Thanks .  
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The previous thread took another turn so I'm making this a separate topic.

Another advantage to having been able to see a member's list of groups in their profile was that people could find out about other groups this way and join them. I myself have done that several times. Yahoo has that feature "other members of this group have joined bla bla groups" and they list the groups. Groups.io doesn't have this (and I never liked the feature anyway), but showing the groups someone belongs to is a way for people in any given group to find out about related others.
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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 09:01 am, HR Tech wrote:
would be great if a change to one's profile name or display name were stated as a change to their profile name or display name so we mods have clarity.

Changes to profile names are very clear in the log, and rare. What's weird is the very frequent log-entry called "changed name from x to x via email" (where literally, x and x are the same - no change - and there is no apparent change in the member or their name from looking at the page). It's always "by email," and it's almost always the first action by a new group member. Perhaps it means that they changed their name from [blank] to x? But how would they do that by email, anyway? I've never seen it say "changed name from x to x via the web." Something is fishy here, I think. :-) 

Display names can be changed per group.

They could be changed before, but they are called "names," not "display names" (EXCEPT in the dropdown search - perhaps this needs tweaking). I'm trying to get the names of the names clarified, as well as the correspondence (1-1 or otherwise) between profiles, groups, etc.

would be great if they were forced to be unique within a group ( the overall group at large) and for them to not be allowed to be blank. 

If they're forced to be unique, they could not (generally) be blank if anyone else's is blank.

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Maria
 

As far as I can tell:

- Profile names cannot be changed

- Display names can be changed per group. It defaults to what you have in your main profile, but you can override it in the profile setting within a group. I am feeling iffy about this.. I wonder if within a group (and it's sub-groups) the display name can be checked by mods to be the same through out? I fear it might get confusing and tricky if we allow our members to have a different display name per group/sub-group. It may drive us nuts. Any way the group can be configured to not allow the display name to be different.For us the advantage of customizing profiles per group is to be able to select a different picture per group and to be able to have more info about your self in some groups rather than others. We don't want a member to be "Jack" in one group and "Steve" in a subgroup :)

- And yes, would be great if they were forced to be unique within a group ( the overall group at large) and for them to not be allowed to be blank. Perhaps the first thing that someone should be prompted to do when they first log in to a parent group and a subgroup is to customize their profile. That would be amazing so that they don't hav eto wonder how to do it, but rather are guided to do it. Like when you have a payment due on a platform, when you login, it notifies you of that.

Regarding J's point #3. I'm not following as have limited examples within my test group but would be great if a change to one's profile name or display name were stated as a change to their profile name or display name so we mods have clarity.

Maria



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