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moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

 

The fact that browser trick sighted people did, above, means the contrast on the website needs to be fixed.

From WCAG...

Use a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and providing additional visual cues on focus for links or controls where color alone is used to identify them.

It always confuses me why sighted people don't want to make changes that would benefit them, too. I mean, what if your monitor is malfunctioning and the poor contrast keeps you from using a site because of your monitor?

At some point, the whole contrast should be looked at. Create a ticket by emailing support@groups.io about the wiki links, for now.


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Jason Diceman wrote:
Any news on this simple little CSS fix?
As far as I can see, no one has determined that it's simple.  One little change can lead to other problems, as Chris noted when he tried the FF trick, so I'd want to be absolutely sure everything else still 'works' properly before making a change.

Duane


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Jason Diceman
 

Any news on this simple little CSS fix? 


moderated Duplicate digest numbers #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I have one of my accounts on my main group set to receive a full digest. The digests for 6-May and 7-May were both numbered 375 but contained different messages. All other digest numbers have been incremented by 1 in the past.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Calendar Reminder #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
My calendar entries for meetings seem to be generating Reminders when I have none set.
There was a recent discussion on GMF about ghost reminders and I reported an incident like this last year.

Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: Allow background and mso-highlight CSS styles in messages.
  • CHANGE: Various icon changes for more consistency.
  • CHANGE: Updated the Members Manual with changes on Wiki page URLs.
  • NEW: When a person is banned from Groups.io, we now log that in all groups they were a member of, and we remove all subscription data instead of just hiding it, which should keep sub counts correct.
  • BUGFIX: The sending of a new confirmation email by a moderator using the 'Send Confirmation Email' button was not logged properly in the email delivery section.
  • NEW: Logging to the activity log when we send the group guidelines out and when we send monthly reminder messages out.
  • INTERNAL: Optimized a database call when generating digests.
  • BUGFIX: Don't include links to profiles of banned members when viewing messages.
  • CHANGE: When visiting a manual in the help center, display the table of contents.
  • CHANGE: Wiki pages now use the wiki page ID instead of the title (with exceptions for _Sidebar/_Footer) to prevent link breakage when titles change.
  • INTERNAL: A lot of work to enable distributed tracing of the internal systems.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Calendar Reminder #bug

 

Hi Bob,

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
My calendar entries for meetings seem to be generating Reminders when I have none set.
I have 3 repeating calendar events for meetings each of which occur once every odd month on the first, second and third Saturdays respectively.
The Calendar entry has a very clear No Reminders Set but we are still getting reminders one day to one week in advance of the meeting.
The original entry had reminders set up but with covid-19, we eliminated the meetings and simply added "Cancelled" to the title and removed all reminders.
For Mark's use, they are messages 166765 and 166766 in the Restricted, premium group FuchsFriends

I'm not sure what happened, but I don't think you should get any more reminders for those events. Please contact me off-list if you do.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Calendar Reminder #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

My calendar entries for meetings seem to be generating Reminders when I have none set.
I have 3 repeating calendar events for meetings each of which occur once every odd month on the first, second and third Saturdays respectively.
The Calendar entry has a very clear No Reminders Set but we are still getting reminders one day to one week in advance of the meeting.
The original entry had reminders set up but with covid-19, we eliminated the meetings and simply added "Cancelled" to the title and removed all reminders.
For Mark's use, they are messages 166765 and 166766 in the Restricted, premium group FuchsFriends
  • Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

 

The plot thickens. There's yet another anomaly: In my basic group, I have an option available to "resend confirmation message" to an NC member. But in my premium group, which has acquired an NC member as of this morning, the only option available with respect to confirmation is "confirm" the member. The NC member has not yet responded to the pending email so he has not been approved (if and when he's approved, he would be confirmed automatically). Although I have the option to confirm him right now, I don't want to do that yet because I don't know yet whether he's real. I simply want the confirmation email to be resent at this point.

But I have no option to resend the confirmation email. Why not? Could this action be added for premium groups, since it's available even in basic groups? Of course he would be confirmed automatically if and when he is approved, but I don't want to wait for that and would like it to be sent now.

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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: disabled account #suggestion

 

Hi All,

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:00 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
maybe "Banned by system" would be a better process.
This could also be a category in the member dropdown.
 
There is a new 'Banned by system' activity log entry (under moderators), that will be used to log any disabling in the future. Also, when someone is banned from the service, their subscriptions will be removed, instead of hidden, which should keep subscriber counts normal. Also, I've gone through and fixed all subscriber counts affected by previous bannings.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Michael Pavan
 

On May 5, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?
Yes, I would use it.

It should only be available to Owner and/or Moderators,
perhaps only those Moderators with "Approve Pending Messages", "Approve Pending Members", and/or "Ban Members", and perhaps "Remove Members" privileges.

It would filter up to something system wide.
A register of how recently reported, how many reports or groups reporting and over what time span.

Also number of groups it is a member of and for how long - this might help evaluate how seriously to regard these reports of applicants who would be spammers.


Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).


moderated Re: Split topic action doesn't update number of Topics on group's home page #bug

 

Here's another one. I split it twice!

  • 1 Member
  • -2 Topics
  • Started on 06/24/18
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Split topic action doesn't update number of Topics on group's home page #bug

 

Pretty funny! :-)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Split topic action doesn't update number of Topics on group's home page #bug

Gilbert Coville
 



-1 Topics. Pretty cool, eh?

To reproduce:

Start with empty group or subgroup: 0 messages, 0 topics
New topic-> Make subject “Subject1" and body “body1", send
Home page shows 1 topic
View the message, then hit reply, Leave subject as “Re: Subject1”, set body to “body2”, hit reply-to-group
Home page still shows 1 topic
Go to topics view, select the only topic “Subject1”, sort ascending so that the first message is “body1” and the second message is “body2”.
For the body2 message, choose More->split, enter “Subject2" in the Split Topic box, hit “Split Topic” button
Home page still shows 1 topic!
Go to topics view, delete one of the topics.
Home page shows 0 topics.
Go to topics view, delete the other topic.
Home page shows -1 topics.

Gilbert




moderated Re: Filter activity-log display according to moderator permissions #suggestion

 

A companion to this would be to display only the moderator notification options that correspond to a moderator's permissions. Currently (as previously discussed and rehashed here), all moderators can pick and choose which notifications they receive, regardless of their permissions. Going along with filtering the activity log according to permissions would be filtering the options displayed for each moderator's notifications. "notify when there's a pending message requiring approval" would be a notification option only if the moderator has message-approval permission, "notify when a member joins or leaves the group" would be an option only if the moderator has member-directory and/or membership approval permission, etc.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Filter activity-log display according to moderator permissions #suggestion

 

The suggestion is that only moderators with the corresponding permissions should see activity log entries. For example, if a moderator does not have invite permission, I don't want them seeing a log entry that another moderator invited someone; if a moderator does not have edit-archive or approve pending messages permission, I don't want them seeing the approval, rejection, or deletion of a pending message by another moderator; the same with approval or rejection of a pending member if they don't have that permission; etc.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

 

A mental typo: I meant “overloading,” not “overlaying.”


On May 6, 2020, at 3:47 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I'm glad that part has been fixed! There is, of course, still the (major) issue with the confusion caused by the overlaying of the term "confirm," the welcome message going out to NC members, and making it so that all restricted groups (not just premium restricted groups) confirm their members upon approval.

Thanks!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?
Yes I would, but it might be of limited utility. Only very rarely do we get "suspect" applications, and they never respond to the Pending Subscription mesage. The last time that I am aware of was back in January when there was a small rash of applications from common IP addresses that was flagged up on GMF here. (The topic ran on for 202 messages!) As things stand few applications come from email addresses that just don't look right.

. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
One idea that springs to mind is to add a function to the on - line moderation UI for Report as Spam. How easily the equivalent function could be provided for email moderation I won't pretend to know. Obviously that would be of no help for groups that run unmoderated. A further option could be to add Report as Spam to the "More" hamburger so that obvious spam could be reported by just one or two clicks; that might help those unmoderated groups. 

If I really wanted to go on a spammer hunt I would use the Activity log; on the group I moderate (which does not allow non - members to post) the spam is abundantly clear both from the sender's garbage email address and the supposed subject line, but of course there is no way of reporting it as spam from there, even assuming we go to look. I suspect that as this spam happens in sudden bursts and then stops for a while that it is being stopped by spam - killers running in the background. 

One thing that might help is for the applicants' IP addresses to appear on the web UI; I know it is sent in the email version but cross - referencing web UI and emails is a bit tedious. The downside to trying to add it to the web UI is that that page is already cramped when using a 4:3 display unit and adding IP addresses would only make that much worse. (See here for previous post about this!!)

Chris


moderated Re: disabled account #suggestion

 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 06:19 AM, Duane wrote:
maybe "Banned by system" would be a better process.
This could also be a category in the member dropdown.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

John Pearce
 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 03:30 PM, John Pearce wrote:
But waiting a week would defeat the purpose of reporting to groups.io
Chris Jones wrote:
Not necessarily, IMHO. Flagging up too soon might well result in so many false positives that it risks swamping Groups.io with potentially innocent applicants.

Chris, agreed.  I was thinking that a tool might help to identify someone as a spammer more than I could do myself.  I don't know what information a tool Mark is suggesting  might provide.  I found for example one person who applied on the web whose email address tracked to a cloud provider in Florida that is known for allowing spammers and hackers to use their service.  The application aged out.  At this time the only people I would report are people that make it onto the group and then spam.  This has only happened once.  Some guidance as to when to report someone along with the tool would be helpful.

John Pearce