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moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

ro-esp
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:24 am, Brian Vogel wrote:


         This brings up a related, interesting, and almost certain to be
controversial topic:  I have seen e-mail clients that thread when threading
information is available in the message header regardless of whether or not
someone has changed the subject when the message originates via use of "reply"
which causes the threading information to be included.  The only way one
escapes a conversation/thread to form a new thread via e-mail is by creating a
new message, using a new subject, and employing "cut and paste" if desired to
transfer any context from a thread that one may be launching a spin-off from.
  Has that ever been considered here, or could it be?
I've said that new subjectlines should be regarded as new threads on several occasion, but let me specify.

If the subjectline is " NEW SUBJECT (was: old subject) " it should start a new thread.

If the subjectline is: " RE: OLD SUBJECT (specifier) ", it should NOT start a new thread. Use of such specifiers (such as the name of the person whose post you're replying to) can be practical , especially in threads that are many dozens of posts in length.


People abusing the reply-button for things that are not replies is not something we can solve by technical means.

groetjes, Ronaldo



         Most of the thread splitting I'm observing and fixing is the
direct result of user ignorance of threading conventions and netiquette.
 They treat the subject as an extension of the message body, and will prepend
or append something to it that's meant as an embellishment, but with no idea
that this would trigger an entirely new thread.  I believe that some of this
also arises because some e-mail clients thread strictly on header information
when that's available and ignore the subject altogether, so they're accustomed
to seeing mixed subjects under one conversation thread.

          There could be an argument made that this would be the best way
for Groups.io to thread based on my limited experiences on the groups I
frequent.  Others, of course, may differ, but they also may strongly agree.
 I'm really curious about what other people are experiencing with regard to
users changing subjects willy-nilly with "cute bits" when the actual message
they're sending is clearly just the next in the line for an existing
conversation/topic/thread.

Brian


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Catlady wrote:>> Brenda, I have to say that reading that story was infinitely more enjoyable on my lunch break than the newspaper. :-) (I mean that in a good way, not a snarky one!!!)<<

Thanks, Catlady. I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)

Brenda


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Ro
 

I still have windows 8, maybe thats it.  Glitchy, and i hate the whole apps thing, and reduced programs that work.  many of my documents and files under the previous Windows.. (hmmm, before 7) wont now open..   


Too technical on the Wiki.  thats what scares people away from it.  I was deliberately keeping it simple for that reason. 


glad your sig is fixed!  


getting way off topic!


Ro

with Silk gazing over the fence, and Sally, Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.





From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 2:42 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Message Number Missing in E-mail footer
 

Actually, Ro, a wiki is not "just files" in any conventional sense.  Wikipedia is the best known wiki, and the biggest difference is that anyone can edit the content (though group wikis are restricted, usually, to group members).  File repositories, while allowing vetted contributions from virtually anyone, are under far tighter control.  Often, as a result, those who might know more about something or know about something the vetter does not end up being stonewalled.  Conversely, wikis can end up full of pure garbage if someone isn't paying attention who at least has a good nose for unfounded speculation or incorrect information.

As an observation from my side, I can't see how a smartphone lover could hate Windows 10, while the less said about Windows 8 the better.  Having gone through every iteration of Windows since its debut, my feeling is that Windows 10 has kept virtually everything good about any version of Windows through 7, and cherry picked the good from the Windows 8 era very skillfully.  I have a Windows 7 machine I've intentionally kept that way so I have a reference when the odd client question arises.  All the rest that were either Windows 7 or Windows 8 have been upgraded to Windows 10.

Hey, my signature is back, Mark's fix worked!!
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 02:20 pm, kr402 wrote:
regarding not having a smartphone.

Just FYI, it's easily possible to have a smartphone for which you have no phone service, and that's what I've been doing since the end of the Palm (and related) PDA era.  It doesn't matter whether it's an iPhone or some Android-powered device, new or used, if you don't activate phone service all of the other stuff works and virtually everything except true "on carrier network" phone calls can be made on the devices.  If you use a VOIP service or Google Hangouts you can make VOIP calls on a "no phone service" smartphone with ease.

Another of my personal contributions to thread drift that I think others might find interesting whether it's "on topic" or not.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Actually, Ro, a wiki is not "just files" in any conventional sense.  Wikipedia is the best known wiki, and the biggest difference is that anyone can edit the content (though group wikis are restricted, usually, to group members).  File repositories, while allowing vetted contributions from virtually anyone, are under far tighter control.  Often, as a result, those who might know more about something or know about something the vetter does not end up being stonewalled.  Conversely, wikis can end up full of pure garbage if someone isn't paying attention who at least has a good nose for unfounded speculation or incorrect information.

As an observation from my side, I can't see how a smartphone lover could hate Windows 10, while the less said about Windows 8 the better.  Having gone through every iteration of Windows since its debut, my feeling is that Windows 10 has kept virtually everything good about any version of Windows through 7, and cherry picked the good from the Windows 8 era very skillfully.  I have a Windows 7 machine I've intentionally kept that way so I have a reference when the odd client question arises.  All the rest that were either Windows 7 or Windows 8 have been upgraded to Windows 10.

Hey, my signature is back, Mark's fix worked!!
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Moving files into folders bug

Donald Hellen
 

Mark,

This appears to have resolved itself. Our other group owner is 1/2 way
around the world in Australia, so we have a timing issue on reports
about the file issue we had.

I haven't tried to move files in the last day but last I checked files
were neatly put into folders. I am waiting to hear from her on this
but it appears to be OK now.

Thanks!!!

Donald


On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 09:53:04 -0800, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@roadrunner.com> wrote:
We have a bug moving a file to a folder. Here's how we can duplicate
the bug.

Just a note to the group; this is caused by a bug that existed in the file import process when moving files from Yahoo. The bug's been fixed in the import process and I need to go and fix the issues with this group. The problem Don talked about should not exist in other groups.
Thanks,Mark _._,_._,_


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

kr402
 

I know this has become off topic, but I am going to reply
anyway to Brenda (as you may know we are about the
same age) regarding not having a smartphone.


On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:42 PM, "Nightowl >8#" <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

I have an ipod touch instead of a smartphone
I do also and ❤ it. I do not need or want a smartphone.
The iPod touch can do anything an iPhone can do accept
there is no phone and it is wifi only which works for me. It
and an iPad mini meet my computer needs. Although I am considering purchasing an iPad pro as a replacement iPad,
which is a bit bigger than a mini.

I am having a difficult time finding a needed replacement
flip phone and do not like being pushed into maybe having
to buy an iPhone that I really don't need or want. If I did get
a smartphone it would only be an iPhone, so it can sync with
other apple devices.

KR


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Ro wrote:>>Just clarifying that you do NOT owe us or anyone else this kind of detailed explanation.  No one should feel they owe anyone this kind of personal info. thank you for being willing to share it with us.<<

No problem. I feel if you try and understand why other people think the way they do, it improves communication and understanding in a group with different opinions. :)

You're welcome. :)

Brenda


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Ro wrote:>>I HATE Windows 8 and 10!   but I love my smartphone.<<

I don't HATE Windows 10, but I have intense dislike for some of the things it does. Like automatically update when I don't want it to yet, or eat my start menu (chomp gone), which it decided to do on the first day of 2017.

As for smartphones, I don't have one, I hate cell phones. I have a flip phone to reach Mom or dad or family in case of some emergency, but I have an ipod touch instead of a smartphone. That way I can store files, medical info, etc. and also play Angry Birds without being interrupted by a phone call! ;)

Brenda


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Ro
 

Just clarifying that you do NOT owe us or anyone else this kind of detailed explanation.  No one should feel they owe anyone this kind of personal info.   thank you for being willing to share it with us.


Ro

with Silk gazing over the fence, and Sally, Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.





From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of Nightowl >8# <featheredleader@...>
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 1:38 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Message Number Missing in E-mail footer
 
Nightowl >8# wrote:>>See, my car only has one side mirror.<<

Clarifying. My 1968 Plymouth only has 1 side mirror on the driver's side.

Clarifying: >>My dad stopped driving, and then Ferguson happened.<<
Mom lives between Ferguson and Dellwood and doesn't drive. So it makes me really anxious at times to drive there to get her or see her, especially at night.

So all that sort of happened at once, Dad was moved into a home, and John moved home to work, so it was a lot of changes to comprehend at the same time that Beta came to being.

Hope that explains some. Sorry I didn't clarify it in the first post.

Brenda




moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Ro
 

 I understand about new things.  What the hell is Wiki?   really, its just "files".  and you upload files and create folders.   Not too mysterious except for the name.   New names for stuff we are used to doing can really cause confusion!


I HATE Windows 8 and 10!   but I love my smartphone.  


Ro

with Silk gazing over the fence, and Sally, Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.





From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of Nightowl >8# <featheredleader@...>
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 1:32 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Message Number Missing in E-mail footer
 
Brian Vogel wrote:>>" When I started my group for fighting. . . " Perhaps we two are cosmically there [no, that context trimming doesn't matter, and leaving it ruins the joke].<<

Sorry, I don't get the joke. Never been good at that.

Brian wrote:>>We're the same age, within months of each other.  I got my BS in Computer Science in 1985, so I've been around as long as you and your husband have.<<

Wow, I had no idea we were the same age.

Brian wrote:>>[The following is snark free, which I feel the need to declare.]  It
fascinates me how some people absolutely cling to whatever they learned first,
like it's a huge security blanket, even when "something better" to the rest of
the world (or most of it, anyway) has come along while others are ready, at a
moment's notice, to jettison "last week's" stuff for this week's only because
this week's is newer, not necessarily better.<<

Well, I have tried and learned a lot of newer things. Went from Windows 3.0 to finally Windows 10...quite a learning curve. Went from dial -up to Internet, which was a huge difference, went from cassette tapes and CDs to digital music, although I still use all three genres...

But sometimes it's not worth it or you don't have the time to learn a new system right away. Or it can even be dangerous. For example, I drive a 1968 Plymouth 383, V8. That is my car. When I tried to drive a newer car, after I met John, I couldn't because the hoods slant downward and I'd learned by sight lines in Driver's Ed.

So we tracked down cars with enough hood for me to drive by. Currently, we now have a brand new 2016 Dodge Challenger. People have said to me, why don't you learn to drive by mirrors? Uh, I don't think so...not in a brand new car. I could just imagine the accident waiting to happen. See, my car only has one side mirror.

So in the case of reading online groups, bear in mind that Yahoo broke it rather quickly, and at the same time that happened, my dad stopped driving, and Ferguson happened. I had a lot on my plate, so I stuck with what I know. When I got to groups.io, I did the same thing.

Yes, I can learn new things. When I actually have time and brainpower to do it. Shal thinks I can learn the wiki, but it intimidates me no end. Why? Because I don't understand it and don't have the time to learn it. Same with my Yahoo Crusade Blog. I don't understand Wordpress very well, and can't handle it on my own. I have to have my helper when I need her.

So once upon a time, yes, I loved to learn new things. I loved new computer programs, new technology, etc. But I had the time to take with those things. Right now, I simply don't. So I'm trying to come up with better ways to do what I already do, such as keep up with changes in Beta when I can.

Maybe someday again, when Mom (87) and Dad (93) aren't such a pressing and stressful issue, I might venture into learning more new things again, like Wiki or Wordpress. But right now, I honestly have too much on my plate. Frankly, right now, Window's 10, digital music, and the new car computer controls are plenty!

Brian wrote:>> I never expected so comprehensive, nor entertaining, an answer and quite enjoyed it.<<

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Sometimes all it takes for people to communicate better about things is to try and understand why they do things the way they do. Then yes, after that, to each his own. :)

Been struggling with that about my Mom for my whole life, we don't think alike. But asking her why she does something a certain way and her knowing why I do, helps a lot. Communicating with her right now is a 24 hour job.

And if anyone ever thinks I'm doing something disrespectful in here, just state it like Catlady did. I don't ever mean to upset or disrespect anyone.

Brenda





moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Nightowl >8# wrote:>>See, my car only has one side mirror.<<

Clarifying. My 1968 Plymouth only has 1 side mirror on the driver's side.

Clarifying: >>My dad stopped driving, and then Ferguson happened.<<
Mom lives between Ferguson and Dellwood and doesn't drive. So it makes me really anxious at times to drive there to get her or see her, especially at night.

So all that sort of happened at once, Dad was moved into a home, and John moved home to work, so it was a lot of changes to comprehend at the same time that Beta came to being.

Hope that explains some. Sorry I didn't clarify it in the first post.

Brenda


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>" When I started my group for fighting. . . " Perhaps we two are cosmically there [no, that context trimming doesn't matter, and leaving it ruins the joke].<<

Sorry, I don't get the joke. Never been good at that.

Brian wrote:>>We're the same age, within months of each other.  I got my BS in Computer Science in 1985, so I've been around as long as you and your husband have.<<

Wow, I had no idea we were the same age.

Brian wrote:>>[The following is snark free, which I feel the need to declare.]  It
fascinates me how some people absolutely cling to whatever they learned first,
like it's a huge security blanket, even when "something better" to the rest of
the world (or most of it, anyway) has come along while others are ready, at a
moment's notice, to jettison "last week's" stuff for this week's only because
this week's is newer, not necessarily better.<<

Well, I have tried and learned a lot of newer things. Went from Windows 3.0 to finally Windows 10...quite a learning curve. Went from dial -up to Internet, which was a huge difference, went from cassette tapes and CDs to digital music, although I still use all three genres...

But sometimes it's not worth it or you don't have the time to learn a new system right away. Or it can even be dangerous. For example, I drive a 1968 Plymouth 383, V8. That is my car. When I tried to drive a newer car, after I met John, I couldn't because the hoods slant downward and I'd learned by sight lines in Driver's Ed.

So we tracked down cars with enough hood for me to drive by. Currently, we now have a brand new 2016 Dodge Challenger. People have said to me, why don't you learn to drive by mirrors? Uh, I don't think so...not in a brand new car. I could just imagine the accident waiting to happen. See, my car only has one side mirror.

So in the case of reading online groups, bear in mind that Yahoo broke it rather quickly, and at the same time that happened, my dad stopped driving, and Ferguson happened. I had a lot on my plate, so I stuck with what I know. When I got to groups.io, I did the same thing.

Yes, I can learn new things. When I actually have time and brainpower to do it. Shal thinks I can learn the wiki, but it intimidates me no end. Why? Because I don't understand it and don't have the time to learn it. Same with my Yahoo Crusade Blog. I don't understand Wordpress very well, and can't handle it on my own. I have to have my helper when I need her.

So once upon a time, yes, I loved to learn new things. I loved new computer programs, new technology, etc. But I had the time to take with those things. Right now, I simply don't. So I'm trying to come up with better ways to do what I already do, such as keep up with changes in Beta when I can.

Maybe someday again, when Mom (87) and Dad (93) aren't such a pressing and stressful issue, I might venture into learning more new things again, like Wiki or Wordpress. But right now, I honestly have too much on my plate. Frankly, right now, Window's 10, digital music, and the new car computer controls are plenty!

Brian wrote:>> I never expected so comprehensive, nor entertaining, an answer and quite enjoyed it.<<

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Sometimes all it takes for people to communicate better about things is to try and understand why they do things the way they do. Then yes, after that, to each his own. :)

Been struggling with that about my Mom for my whole life, we don't think alike. But asking her why she does something a certain way and her knowing why I do, helps a lot. Communicating with her right now is a 24 hour job.

And if anyone ever thinks I'm doing something disrespectful in here, just state it like Catlady did. I don't ever mean to upset or disrespect anyone.

Brenda


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:28 pm, Nightowl >8# wrote:
I hope that explains it for you, if not, feel free to ask more questions, and thank you for being so respectful.

 "When I started my group for fighting. . ."

Perhaps we two are cosmically there [no, that context trimming doesn't matter, and leaving it ruins the joke].

We're the same age, within months of each other.  I got my BS in Computer Science in 1985, so I've been around as long as you and your husband have.

[The following is snark free, which I feel the need to declare.]  It fascinates me how some people absolutely cling to whatever they learned first, like it's a huge security blanket, even when "something better" to the rest of the world (or most of it, anyway) has come along while others are ready, at a moment's notice, to jettison "last week's" stuff for this week's only because this week's is newer, not necessarily better.

I consider myself to be the middle ground.  I do not, with the rarest of exceptions, tend to be an early adopter of anything.  Some of that is because I hate being someone's beta tester [and, let's admit it, a very large portion of released software is beta if the actual developers could control release dates.]  But, once I see something intriguing and, to me, useful that has had "enough time" [which varies, depending on the thing and its complexity] to have been shaken out, I'll dump everything I'm comfortable with to master something new even with an incredibly painful learning curve because I think it will be easier in the long run.  In this particular instance I'm personally in the, "I'd rather have my wisdom teeth extracted without anesthesia than use the method you do for following any online groups."

Chacun à son goût

I never expected so comprehensive, nor entertaining, an answer and quite enjoyed it.

--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Anita L
 

 
Mark if you make it optional that is ok. If you make it where this will happen I will have to leave the group. My members love to do this and the graphics. If this is going to change please let me know and we will have to go back to yahoo.
 
I already have issues with the photos that are on the home page and duplicates. I am trying for your place to work with my group. If these things make it hard for my members I have to rethink things. I really love all you are doing but I want each member to choose what font they want and graphics.
 
Anita
 
 
8a. 
Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #wishlist #suggestion
From: Mark Fletcher
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 13:15:21 EST

Hi All,

Personally, I agree with Maria. I am distracted when messages contain different font sizes or colors. That's one of the reasons I thought MySpace was horrible, and why I agree with many of the design decisions that Facebook made. If you look at some of the popular forums out there, like Discourse and Reddit, they don't permit different font types, sizes and colors.

This has been in the back of my mind for awhile. I'd like to add an optional, but defaulted to on, feature to strip different font sizes, types and colors from messages. Perhaps I need to make this more of a priority.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

 

Brenda,

I have to say that reading that story was infinitely more enjoyable on my lunch break than the newspaper. :-) (I mean that in a good way, not a snarky one!!!)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Signatures for Web Posting suddenly not working on multiple groups

 

Hi All,

The signature bugs should be fixed now. And the infinite scroll issue in the Topic view has also been fixed.

Here to fix bugs and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum.

Mark

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:47 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Thanks. Hoping Mark sees it here, but I will send a bug report to support just in case.I've seen it for at least a week now, but only notice it when I'm looking through a longish thread.
J

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM, HR Tech via Groups.Io <m.conway11=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Right. I think it's a bug. If you switch to viewing 100 messages - you will see the whole thread.

It's an infinite scroll issue that I don't recall seeing before.

I noticed same thing today.

Maria



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Brian Vogel wrote:>>I preface the following with the sincere statement that it is not intended as provocative or nasty or saying "you shouldn't do this", but out of genuine curiosity:  Why do you do this?<<

Okay, I'll try and explain it.

My first introduction to the "Internet" was a local dial up BBS, (Electronic Bulletin Board) called Affinity, in 1996. (For reference, I'm 55 years old).

It had forums, which to me, were often confusing, but it also had a section that served as sort of the Lobby, called BS Land, where everyone posted in order as a sort of conversation. I handled that a lot better than trying to keep up in all the individual forums, so I primarily stayed in that one.

It was there that I met my husband to be, John. The members of the BBS would meet locally, at a safe location and that's how I met him. We started dating that same year, and got married in 1999. The reason that matters, is because he was a computer programmer, and understood computer and internet and etc. way more than I did. So when Affinity was finally struggling to stay afloat, (we all paid a fee to be there, but it wasn't enough), and couldn't afford the multiple phone lines it needed, Affinity moved to Yahoo Clubs in 2001 and John helped me learn that.

Yahoo had only one way of reading at the time, (if I recall correctly), and that was all in one long stream of messages, which were numbered in order. As we, Affinity, were a social group, it was mostly conversational and in order. So we retained our "in order" method, like the whole club had just become BS land.

We even did "play acting" of scenarios which of course, had to be in order to make any sense. Not quite RPG, but just text descriptions. That was my first Yahoo Club I was in. When I created my own spin-off group, Port Affinity, it became a sort of hangout type group where I posted about what was going on, and my friends replied and we all had a sort of "conversation." It became Yahoo groups, and then my group was graduated to Hollow Tree, both in Yahoo and in here.

When I started my group for fighting Yahoo in 2004, once again, it was basically a chronological process, where were we on the issue, what had people done, and pretty much, that was in order too. Yahoo had by this point made threading possible, or maybe just better, (Shal might know that), but I still read in order, as did many others.

I was the moderator, so I felt I had to read every message. What I would do is read all the new messages, (which Y indicated for me by color), and write numbers down on a notepad to reply to later. Then I would go in and reply when I had time. (I like pen and paper still, especially pretty colored pens & cool notepads).

I tried a couple times to follow a thread in Yahoo and it made me nuts. So when NEO came along in 2014 it "broke" groups so badly, to where I had to read them in e-mail, (something I had never done). So in order to read them in order, I had to start writing the last number I read down as well, so I knew where to start again in mail. I couldn't read on the interface as it caused me bad visual and eye issues (flashing hover buttons, etc.) When they moved the number around, Shal taught me to find it in the full headers.

So when I came here, I considered Beta to be a chronological record of how we started, what we achieved, and etc. And since that is what I've always been accustomed to doing, continued to read in chronological order. The few times I've tried to read a thread in here, I've gotten all stressed and confused.

So to make it easier, since groups.io doesn't mark messages read yet, John helped me create folders in Thunderbird where I could move all new messages as they came in, called Beta to read, GMF to read, etc. Then I would mark them read and manually put them in that folder. When I got ready to catch up, I'd look at the first message, note the number and type it in to Beta or GMF and start reading.

As a result of my recent conversation on here with Jennifer, John made it even better. Now my e-mail goes straight into those folders when I check my mail client, and I don't have to sort Beta from GMF, etc. Plus we put Mark's #changelog posts in another one.

But when that Message number went away in HTML messages, that made it harder for the last couple of days. I've had to look at messages in the folders, and find one with a message number, and either count backwards or forwards to find the one I left off at. And I am not only bad at math, I hate it. ;)

So my guess is that I read in order based on regular habit since 1996, and because I view all groups as a message archive of historical significance. I have saved every single group message either in word or elsewhere, since I have been in groups. I even have print outs of Affinity on dot matrix paper.

I hope that explains it for you, if not, feel free to ask more questions, and thank you for being so respectful.

Brenda


It is becoming rarer and rarer for absolute message number to retain primacy
anywhere as far as user interfaces go.  Some have eliminated it entirely.
 Topic view, with the individual messages ordered either "newest to oldest"
or "oldest to newest", depending on one's needs/preferences, is generally a
really fast way of zeroing in on where to pick up on any conversation unless
you left off a very long time ago.

Even if this feature comes back, and I suspect it will here, anyway, your
chosen method is very likely "to break" if you ever have to move elsewhere, or
even potentially in the future here.  Topic view takes so much of the load
off cognitively when it comes to dealing with ongoing conversations.

I am genuinely trying to understand how completely unthreaded message view,
even with absolute message numbers available for reference, could increase
ease and speed over a threaded/topic view.  There's got to be something I'm
missing, but I have no idea what that is.

Brian


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

 

The only reason I personally like to see message #'s somewhere (it doesn't have to be obtrusive or easy to access) is so that I can tell whether messages have been deleted.

J

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:24 am, Nightowl >8# wrote:
I never read by thread or topic, only chronologically by number, which was a deal breaker in trying to find a replacement group site when Yahoo broke.

I preface the following with the sincere statement that it is not intended as provocative or nasty or saying "you shouldn't do this", but out of genuine curiosity:  Why do you do this?

It is becoming rarer and rarer for absolute message number to retain primacy anywhere as far as user interfaces go.  Some have eliminated it entirely.  Topic view, with the individual messages ordered either "newest to oldest" or "oldest to newest", depending on one's needs/preferences, is generally a really fast way of zeroing in on where to pick up on any conversation unless you left off a very long time ago.

Even if this feature comes back, and I suspect it will here, anyway, your chosen method is very likely "to break" if you ever have to move elsewhere, or even potentially in the future here.  Topic view takes so much of the load off cognitively when it comes to dealing with ongoing conversations.

I am genuinely trying to understand how completely unthreaded message view, even with absolute message numbers available for reference, could increase ease and speed over a threaded/topic view.  There's got to be something I'm missing, but I have no idea what that is.

Brian



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moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

 

Well, that is weird. I'll hold off sending you the info on the two members whose emails also used to split threads. One of them stopped doing it a couple of days ago, inexplicably, which is why I wondered.

Hopefully the new way will solve the problem.

J

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:31 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Did you do this 1-2 days ago? 

No ma'am, it went live at 11:05am pacific time this morning. I made no changes to the site over the weekend.

Mark 



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