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moderated Re: Is there an issue with posts being sent?

kr402
 

did you get the one I sent at the same time you sent this one ?

KR

On Jan 9, 2017, at 11:27 PM, "Nightowl >8#" <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Hmmmm I got my post just now in my e-mail, but I'm missing a batch of messages between #12525 & #12533.

Weird. Maybe they will show up in the morning.


moderated Re: Is there an issue with posts being sent?

Nightowl >8#
 

kr402 wrote:>>last I have is 4:37 pm Pacific time, from Brian. I hope that helps.<<

Wow...that's even earlier I think, than the ones I have got. My last one is from Mark, #12525 at 5:49 p.m. Central time, I think. What post# is Brian's? Can you tell me?

Brenda


moderated Re: Is there an issue with posts being sent?

Nightowl >8#
 

Hmmmm I got my post just now in my e-mail, but I'm missing a batch of messages between #12525 & #12533.

Weird. Maybe they will show up in the morning.

Brenda


moderated Re: Is there an issue with posts being sent?

kr402
 

last I have is 4:37 pm Pacific time, from Brian.

I hope that helps.

KR

On Jan 9, 2017, at 11:24 PM, "Nightowl >8#" <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

I haven't had a new post in my e-mail since Mark's post #12525, despite the fact that there are more messages after his.

Is anyone else having this problem this evening?


moderated Is there an issue with posts being sent?

Nightowl >8#
 

I haven't had a new post in my e-mail since Mark's post #12525, despite the fact that there are more messages after his.

Is anyone else having this problem this evening?

Thanks,

Brenda


moderated Re: Moving files into folders bug

 

Thank you Mark for all your help with this. I have been able to complete sorting the files without further issues and all is great once again
Tina

 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 1:53 AM
From: "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Moving files into folders bug
On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
We have a bug moving a file to a folder. Here's how we can duplicate
the bug.
 
Just a note to the group; this is caused by a bug that existed in the file import process when moving files from Yahoo. The bug's been fixed in the import process and I need to go and fix the issues with this group. The problem Don talked about should not exist in other groups.
 
Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Maria
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 03:43 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Still the funniest thing I've ever read on the Internet (NSFW)

Thank you for that! I'd not seen that and have a "futura" obsessed design friend who *needs* to read that. 

Maria


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 03:45 pm, toki wrote:

The research is, shall we say, inconclusive.

            I simply have to disagree, since we're talking about a context here, and that's reading online.


Which font style is easier to read, quite literally depends upon which font style one is used to reading. Which is why material in different languages, or for different geographic regions use different fonts.

             While this is definitely true, we again have an implied context:  Groups.io.  I leave it as an exercise to any reader to determine the primary linguistic context to be considered here, which is all that was under discussion.

              The concepts of serifed versus non-serifed fonts don't even apply in certain languages/typefaces in any meaningful sense, and those "don't count" in the context under discussion.

--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

kr402
 

On Jan 9, 2017, at 2:46 PM, "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

Another of my personal contributions to thread drift that I think others might find interesting whether it's "on topic" or not.

Brian, 'thread drift' is a great way to describe it. I only referenced 
it being 'off topic', for those that may not like that we have drifted.
Which they can skip it, if they do not like it.

Your smartphone description is basically what an iPod touch is. 
When out and about I have people mistake it for an iPhone all 
the time and I have to explain that it is not and no I can not text 
them or send the equivalent IMessage unless I have wifi, which 
I have at home.

An iPod touch can meet the needs of those who do not want or 
need a smartphone and the cost of a data plan. A good eg: is a
young friend, who is 11. She loves my iPod touch and wants one
instead of a smartphone. She does not have a cell phone and 
does not want or need one. However, an iPod touch, which is
less expensive than an iPhone would give her a computer of 
her own to use, as she does not have a tablet, laptop or any 
other computer. 

KR



moderated Re: Wikis - examples

Duane
 

On my group wikis, I have some pages set to "Only moderators can modify this page" and others are open to anyone, depending on the subject matter. Sort of a happy middle ground.

Duane


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 03:43 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Still the funniest thing I've ever read on the Internet (NSFW): https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole

Oh, it's SFW if you're not reading aloud, using a screen reader, and capable of keeping yourself from ROTFLMAO, literally.

I particularly love the final line, since Papyrus has been one of my absolute favorite stylized fonts since first seeing it.  It's got a mid-century modern feel, regardless of it's not-so-mid-century-modern name.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>I've changed back the View/Reply Online link in HTML footers so that it behaves the same as the link in plain text footers. It goes to the individual message. It also displays the message number.<<

Thank you so much!

I appreciate all you do to make things work for us in here.

Brenda


moderated Re: Message Number Missing in E-mail footer

 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Maggie,

> I hovered over the link in an email message and the URL with #4061331
> shows up. I know that we don't have that many messages ...

That's the topic number, not the message number. I don't know why but topics are counted site-wide, not per group.

It's actually the topic ID, corresponding to the database ID of the topic record, which is why it's site-wide. Anyways....

I've changed back the View/Reply Online link in HTML footers so that it behaves the same as the link in plain text footers. It goes to the individual message. It also displays the message number.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Wikis - examples

Frances
 

Our travel discussion group uses the wiki for a links library. Here are two screenshots.

As you see, you can see who edited the page (we restrict who can do so) and the revisions.


Frances


Homepage of the wiki




moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

toki
 

On 9 January 2017 3:26:27 pm PST, HR Tech wrote:
would you please consider using a serifed font like Times New Roman or similar for the "convert to" font?
Not disputing the research.
The research is, shall we say, inconclusive.

Which font style is easier to read, quite literally depends upon which font style one is used to reading. Which is why material in different languages, or for different geographic regions use different fonts. What is readable for American English in North America is not readable American English in Eastern Europe. In a similair vein, what is readable German in Germany, is not readable German in North America.

>so this is just my opinion but I much prefer Helvetica and

a) There are potential licensing issues with Helvetica.

b) Not everything called Helvetica is an authentic Helvetica type face. For some letter combinations, the clones can look terrible.

Especially on mobile which is where
For mobile, I'd suggest Noto Sans * fonts.
Whilst they don't look that great, they can be installed on everything.

Jonatho

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Multilingual ODF Support


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Complete aside, but I prefer Comic Sans to a lot of other non-serifed fonts.


Still the funniest thing I've ever read on the Internet (NSFW): https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole

And now, back to bug fixing...

Mark 


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 03:29 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
What, no love for comic sans? 

Complete aside, but I prefer Comic Sans to a lot of other non-serifed fonts.

I think it's a lot easier on the eyes and easier to read than most non-serifed fonts, particularly since it is somewhat "bold-er" in its non-bold format.
--
Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet


moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

 

What, no love for comic sans? 

Mark

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, HR Tech via Groups.Io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:46 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
would you please consider using a serifed font like Times New Roman or similar for the "convert to" font?

Not disputing the research... so this is just my opinion but I much prefer Helvetica and it's consistent with the platforms that are being used as examples of a unified font choice.

For what it's worth the NYTimes switched from Times new Roman to Georgia and they use Arial as their sans-serif.

I'm a helvetica fan all the way! ( see the documentary if you are a font geek like me). But in general i much prefer sans-serif for emails/messages. Especially on mobile which is where a lot of emails/forums are read.

Maria



moderated Re: Font Size variation in body of posts / digests - thoughts? #suggestion

Maria
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:46 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
would you please consider using a serifed font like Times New Roman or similar for the "convert to" font?

Not disputing the research... so this is just my opinion but I much prefer Helvetica and it's consistent with the platforms that are being used as examples of a unified font choice.

For what it's worth the NYTimes switched from Times new Roman to Georgia and they use Arial as their sans-serif.

I'm a helvetica fan all the way! ( see the documentary if you are a font geek like me). But in general i much prefer sans-serif for emails/messages. Especially on mobile which is where a lot of emails/forums are read.

Maria


moderated Re: How on earth does Groups.io thread a topic?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 02:59 pm, ro-esp wrote:
People abusing the reply-button for things that are not replies is not something we can solve by technical means.

Ronaldo,

            The problem being that "are not replies" is largely defined by how a given system, be it an e-mail client, web forum, or otherwise thread.  It is very common knowledge in some contexts (and right now Groups.io is one of those) that any change in subject will create a new thread of its own.  Those exploiting that appropriately aren't abusing anything.

             The problem arises because it appears that many either don't care (which you can't solve by software, they'll find a way to mess things up) or are acting by the dictates their e-mail client enforces, and many of those can and do thread with headers as "ironclad" and subject as secondary.

             If we were using header threading as "ironclad," and announced this in advance and repeatedly, people will eventually learn that you cannot and should not ever use the "Reply" button and get a new thread/topic, no matter what you do to the subject.  You'd have to compose a new message sent to the group posting address to do that, and that requires actually thinking about what you're doing and knowing that you're doing it, which gives an almost zero probability of new topics that are not really new topics being created as separate threads.  For myself, I've never created a "NEW SUBJECT (was: old subject)" via reply, but always create a new message and, if any bit of context is needed from the thread being spun-off from, it is obtained by copy and paste, not quotation. Again, that requires intentionality that's entirely absent in the all-to-easy-to-thread-split "reply and rename" technique.

             I still have on my wishlist that the "snippet" that gets shown in the web interface for any given thread would be a snippet of the latest message on the thread rather than the first in the thread, as it is more useful information when you're following something lengthy. 
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Brian

I have made mistakes, but have never made the mistake of claiming I never made one.   

          ~  James G. Bennet

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