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moderated Re: amended/corrected: member's MT status does not override group's "messages that start new topics are moderated" setting #bug #fixed

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
If a group is set to "messages that start new topics are moderated" and a group member is set to MT ("Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts"), then when that member starts a new topic, the first message of the topic is moderated as per the group setting, but the topic is not moderated. The activity log shows an entry "XYZ sent message "ABC" requiring approval because the group is set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic" The MT status is not overriding the group setting as it should.

I've changed the order of evaluation to fix this.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated fuelcdn lag #suggestion #done

 

A couple of times in the past week, the groups.io site has taken longer than usual to load, as the browser is waiting for a response from "www.fuelcdn.com". Looking at the page source, it appears it's loading a CSS style sheet and a script from that site. Would it be possible to host these components directly at groups.io itself to avoid the potential lag from a third-party site?

Thanks,
JohnF


moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 05:00 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
It's the wording of the option that doesn't seem right to me.
Oh, yeah, I agree it's minimally funky, but I can't really see it causing any problems. The mod(s) knows the intended interpretation, and nobody sees it but the mod(s).
 
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moderated amended/corrected: member's MT status does not override group's "messages that start new topics are moderated" setting #bug #fixed

 

(Mark: my previous bug report about MT status was incorrectly stated and the thread got taken over by side issues, so I'm resending this bug report with the actual reproducible bug, in case you did not end up reading to the end of the other thread. Feel free to delete this if you did.)

If a group is set to "messages that start new topics are moderated" and a group member is set to MT ("Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts"), then when that member starts a new topic, the first message of the topic is moderated as per the group setting, but the topic is not moderated. The activity log shows an entry "XYZ sent message "ABC" requiring approval because the group is set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic" The MT status is not overriding the group setting as it should.
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

Agree with Duane, you override it and the behavior is expected.


On Jun 8, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 12:49 PM, Duane wrote:
The system did it's job, but you manually overrode it, so it's no longer in charge.
Hi Duane,

I'm not saying that the system didn't do its job (first by moderating a topic and then allowing a post straight through when the topic was unmoderated) but what we're left with is a member with an option set that suggests all messages in a topic will be moderated when that is not the case. It's the wording of the option that doesn't seem right to me.

Regards,
Andy

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moderated Re: Infinite scroll doesn't work consistently #bug #fixed

Jim Wilson
 

Mark, this continues to occur and I have previously submitted this issue but I have tested more since then. This happens with every browser I have tested.

When viewing Messages or Topics in any group, Infinite Scroll absolutely fails with any browser window length in excess of 1600 pixels. However, when viewing Expanded, it seems to work just fine. The width of the browser window does not seem to be a factor.

Anyone using an HD 1920x1080 monitor in Portrait mode would experience this, I believe. I use a 43" UHD 3840x2160 monitor and like my browser windows at 1800x1800 but I have to make an exception for GIO and stick with 1920x1080.
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 12:49 PM, Duane wrote:
The system did it's job, but you manually overrode it, so it's no longer in charge.
Hi Duane,

I'm not saying that the system didn't do its job (first by moderating a topic and then allowing a post straight through when the topic was unmoderated) but what we're left with is a member with an option set that suggests all messages in a topic will be moderated when that is not the case. It's the wording of the option that doesn't seem right to me.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

Duane
 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 02:32 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I then unmoderated the topic using my 'owner' account and posted a second message to the same topic from my 'member' account which went straight through to the group archive. So, now I have a situation where a member account has a posting privilege with a description that contains the text "moderate all messages" and that isn't happening - somewhat confusing and contradictory I think.
I would consider this normal behavior.  The system did it's job, but you manually overrode it, so it's no longer in charge.  If this is something that would occur often, I think the solution would be to make the member moderated.

Duane


moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 02:49 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The bug is that a group setting of “moderate the first messsge of every topic” is incorrectly taking precedence over a member’s MT status.
Before you reply that those aren't inconsistent: the group setting "moderate the first message of every topic" essentially puts everyone on MF status, which means, "moderate the first message of the topic and then you're done" (i.e., moderate the first message and *only* the first message). The "override" of an individual member's MT status is not happening if the group is set to MF.
 
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

I still don’t think the wording matters much but I see your point in the second case. At any rate, there IS a bug (not sure if you saw my subsequent post). The bug is that a group setting of “moderate the first messsge of every topic” is incorrectly taking precedence over a member’s MT status.


On Jun 8, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 04:33 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
I have just conducted a test elsewhere and found results not consistent with observations made so far.
I've gone back and looked at this again and found my test subgroup was set to "All messages are moderated" (maybe a hangover from a previous test) so in this case the group setting seemed to take precedence over the member "Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" setting and I ended up with no moderated icon on the topic and the Moderate Topic option available.

I removed the "All messages are moderated" group setting (leaving just Restricted Membership) and posted a message from my 'member' account that has "Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" set. This time, the message was moderated and when released, the topic was moderated and showed the moderated icon.

I then unmoderated the topic using my 'owner' account and posted a second message to the same topic from my 'member' account which went straight through to the group archive. So, now I have a situation where a member account has a posting privilege with a description that contains the text "moderate all messages" and that isn't happening - somewhat confusing and contradictory I think.

If the description was changed to "Override: moderate every topic this person starts" (J's suggestion) it would more accurately reflect what happens in this situation.  I guess a clarification could be made about whether moderation was applied to the topic after the first post was published to the group archive or not by adding a suffix  "Override: moderate every topic this person starts (including the first message)".

Andy


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moderated Re: Infinite scroll doesn't work consistently #bug #fixed

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- When viewing a lengthy thread with your account's "Items Per Page" set to Infinite Scroll, the bottom menu bar (Reply Like More) fails to show up after the first 20 messages.

Please see this thread in GMF for details.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 04:33 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
I have just conducted a test elsewhere and found results not consistent with observations made so far.
I've gone back and looked at this again and found my test subgroup was set to "All messages are moderated" (maybe a hangover from a previous test) so in this case the group setting seemed to take precedence over the member "Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" setting and I ended up with no moderated icon on the topic and the Moderate Topic option available.

I removed the "All messages are moderated" group setting (leaving just Restricted Membership) and posted a message from my 'member' account that has "Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" set. This time, the message was moderated and when released, the topic was moderated and showed the moderated icon.

I then unmoderated the topic using my 'owner' account and posted a second message to the same topic from my 'member' account which went straight through to the group archive. So, now I have a situation where a member account has a posting privilege with a description that contains the text "moderate all messages" and that isn't happening - somewhat confusing and contradictory I think.

If the description was changed to "Override: moderate every topic this person starts" (J's suggestion) it would more accurately reflect what happens in this situation.  I guess a clarification could be made about whether moderation was applied to the topic after the first post was published to the group archive or not by adding a suffix  "Override: moderate every topic this person starts (including the first message)".

Andy


moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

Ok, mystery solved. It IS a bug.

The bug consists of a conflict between a member's individual MT status and the group's overall setting to moderate the first message of every topic. The group setting took precedence over the individual member's MT and the topic ended up unmoderated; only the first message was moderated.

The fix: a member's MT status should take precedence over a group setting to moderate the first message of every topic.
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

I just ran a test and the icon seems to be there and everything is working properly. There is no bug that I can see at this point.

What I can't understand is what went wrong in the case I encountered in my group. I checked and according to the activity log, I did change the member's status to MT before, not after, she sent her first post to the group. How the topic ended up unmoderated is a mystery, but not anything to waste (any more) time on at this point.

Sorry for the false alarm.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It sounds to me that NMM is somehow taking precedence over the posting override.
Ok, this makes no sense and my initial post incorrectly stated that the OP was NMM. It's impossible for someone to be both NMM and MT. I'll have to see what order these occurred in. I'm nearly positive I set her to MF before her first post (for various valid reasons, don't even ask) but it's possible her post slipped through before the status change. I'll check the whole thing out later today.
 
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 09:17 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It sounds to me that NMM is somehow taking precedence over the posting override.
Oh I belatedly see what you're saying. Yes that's a possibility. I'll check it out. Would still be a bug.
 
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

Sounds like it to me, also, Bruce. However, "sounds like, shmounds like." I'll run a better test. I do think it's just a matter of the icon, though.


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 9:18 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
In the case I encountered, the OP was also NMM and the responder was on mideration, so both posts came through pending anyway and I assumed the topic moderation was happening.
It sounds to me that NMM is somehow taking precedence over the posting override. Thus the message is being moderated but the topic is not.

If the posting override didn't work at all it seems that would have been reported a long time ago. 

Regards,
Bruce


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
In the case I encountered, the OP was also NMM and the responder was on mideration, so both posts came through pending anyway and I assumed the topic moderation was happening.
It sounds to me that NMM is somehow taking precedence over the posting override. Thus the message is being moderated but the topic is not.

If the posting override didn't work at all it seems that would have been reported a long time ago. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Downloaded group calendar .ICS file contains entries not showing on the calendar #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

When I downloaded my group event information I found that repeating monthly events that we had defined with no end date were repeating until the year 2100 - which resulted in a rather large .ICS file.  I updated the events to have an end in 2020 or 2021 and download the event details again - a much smaller file this time.  However, I can see events in the .ICS file that have DTSTART: parameters showing a year, 2097 for example, when the event itself has now an end date defined for 31.12.2020. When I look at the calendar for 2097 (by adding a ?calstart=2097-01-01 parameter to the URL) there are no events listed in any month of that year.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: "moderate all messages of every topic this person starts" threads not showing moderated icon #bug #fixed

 

The email issue is completely separate from this.
I'll run my own test later today.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu