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moderated Re: Terminology change #update

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
I have just noticed that in Member Notices there are still Pending Subscription and Rejected Subscription messages.
For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Work on new Zoom integration with the calendar.
  • CHANGE: Do not allow setting up of two factor authentication when you are logged in using Google or Facebook.
  • API: Changing a subgroup's name using the /updategroup endpoint would fail.
  • API: Removed bcc_me parameter from /postdraft as that was unused.
  • BUGFIX: Private group guidelines were accessible to non-subscribers via the +guidelines email command.
  • INTERNAL: More logging to track email delivery speed
  • INTERNAL: Optimizations for lowering the time to deliver email
  • BUGFIX: Removed do-nothing Edit Settings menu option when viewing moderators on the Members page.
  • BUGFIX: ICS files containing yearly repeating events were not parsable.
  • API: /newdraft endpoint now supports draft_type_post_to_sub draft_type.

Take care, everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The only real change other than the group settings page is that the setting formerly known as NuM or new user moderated is now NMM, or new member moderated.
I have just noticed that in Member Notices there are still Pending Subscription and Rejected Subscription messages.

Chris


moderated Log "joined chat" #suggestion

 

As far as I can tell, "joined chat" is not logged in either the member or the group activity log. Seems like it should be.
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moderated Pending message approval fails without explanation #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi,

I'm raising this as a bug and I think there are potentially two issues here:

We have a member who posted a message to our Committee subgroup and for some reason, also copied the email to an address that gets forwarded to the same group via an integration. The copy of the message sent direct to the group was sent to other members and the copy sent via the integration has been held pending approval (part of our moderation process).  A recipient and member of the same group then replied to all and so now we have the two messages showing on the subgroup archive, and two messages pending approval.

Seeing the pending messages and not realising they has also been posted directly to the subgroup I tried to approve them.  There is no warning message to say that approval has failed but the messages stay as pending. I could probably delete them but have left them for now as evidence of this issue.

In addition, the member who posted the original message received the following response from Groups.io:




This was very confusing for our member as it indicates that he is not a member of our Committee subgroup when he is.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: #bug Gio iCal feed errors making GCal mad #bug #fixed

Dave Huseby <dhuseby@...>
 

Hi Mark,

Thank you so much for your quick response to my bug report. It looks like the issue has been completely fixed but I'm following up with members of our community to confirm that it is. Thank you again, this is wonderful.

Cheers!
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David Huseby
Security Maven, Hyperledger
The Linux Foundation
+1-206-234-2392
dhuseby@...


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:33 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hello,

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:01 PM Dave Huseby <dhuseby@...> wrote:

The Hyperledger community uses Groups.io for all of our mailing lists and community managed calendars. We like to use the .ics feeds from groups.io to populate a GCal plugin on our Confluence wiki. We're finding that GCal fails to render all of the events in the feed. I ran our iCal feed through an ics validator and found tons of errors:


The issue was with a duplicate 'RRULE:' for events that repeated yearly. I've fixed it and that ICS file is now readable in GCal.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Edit a wiki page, make no change, then Save is logged as a change and an identical revision is created #bug

 

There is yet another bug (and these are separate): the addition and deletion of spaces within a line are not detected/shown by Compare evisions. For example, if the original line is
let's have a virtual block party
and it is edited to
let's       have a virtual block party
then Compare Revisions does not show the change and simply displays the original.

Therefore, when Compare Revisions shows no changes (no green text), it's possible that either (1) no change was made yet a revision was created anyway (as I first reported), or (2) the spacing was changed. For completeness's sake I have to say that of course there may be other bugs involving changes that don't show up, but I'm guessing those two are the extent of it.

For awhile, I had just one group, wherein the wiki was strictly controlled and only mods could change the pages. So these bugs never became apparent to me. But now that I have another group, wherein everyone can change wiki pages (and in fact is encouraged to do so), these wiki bugs are problematic (including the previously reported one of not controlling simultaneous editing).

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moderated Re: Edit a wiki page, make no change, then Save is logged as a change and an identical revision is created #bug

 

Mental typo, it's recorded as "updated wiki page." But you know what I meant. :-)
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moderated Edit a wiki page, make no change, then Save is logged as a change and an identical revision is created #bug

 

I don't know what the standard for wiki revision logs is, but the situation here is that if someone clicks Edit Page, makes no changes, and clicks Save Page, their activity is recorded as "edited wiki page" and a new revision is created that's identical to the prior one. This is a PITA when you try to determine what changes someone has made and can't find the green-highlighted text - because there isn't any. It seems to me that if no changes are made, nothing should be recorded - no log entry that they edited and no new (but identical) revision.
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moderated Re: Guidelines available to non-members via the help address even if GG are private #bug #fixed

 

Hello,

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:21 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Mark Irving wrote:
Preferably both.
Agreed.

 
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moderated Re: Guidelines available to non-members via the help address even if GG are private #bug #fixed

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Mark Irving wrote:
Preferably both.
Agreed.

 
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moderated Re: Guidelines available to non-members via the help address even if GG are private #bug #fixed

Mark Irving
 

Preferably both. The private guidelines should be refused to anyone who tries the GROUP+guidelines@... address and is not a member, even when this address is not advertised in the automated help message.

  - Mark (not that Mark, a lesser Mark).


moderated Guidelines available to non-members via the help address even if GG are private #bug #fixed

 

Setup: group with private Group Guidelines.
Situation: Non-member sends message to the help address, gets back instructions that include sending email to group+guidelines address. Non-member sends email to that address and receives a copy of the group guidelines via email, which they should not be privy to.
Best solution IMO: the automated help message does not include instructions for getting the guidelines if the person is a non-member and the guidelines are private.
Alternate solution: keep help message the same but if a non-member sends a message to the guidelines address send back an error message ("this group's guidelines are only available to group members" yada yada).
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #bug Gio iCal feed errors making GCal mad #bug #fixed

 

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:01 PM Dave Huseby <dhuseby@...> wrote:

The Hyperledger community uses Groups.io for all of our mailing lists and community managed calendars. We like to use the .ics feeds from groups.io to populate a GCal plugin on our Confluence wiki. We're finding that GCal fails to render all of the events in the feed. I ran our iCal feed through an ics validator and found tons of errors:


The issue was with a duplicate 'RRULE:' for events that repeated yearly. I've fixed it and that ICS file is now readable in GCal.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Solving the overload issue (Selecting specific messages into two batches - Individual email vs. Full featured digest delivery) #suggestion

 

Homayon,

My responses below should not be taken as a disagreement with your suggestion, rather they are advice on what you can do with the system today. There are multiple approaches, but discussion of existing features is really off topic for beta, so I invite you to ask in GMF if you want more detail.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

Unfortunately again and again members leave because they feel flooded
by a part of those mails containing rather little information - while
other msg's are very valuable
This has been an issue in one of my groups, GMF, as well. My general recommendation is that members feeling flooded should check out the Advanced Preferences section of their Subscription page on the group.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Help-Mock-up#Advanced-Preferences

So are group is loosing many members, they feel flooded with useless
mails. That shouldn't be.
I've added advice about the use of Advanced Preferences to GMF's Goodbye member notice, inviting them to rejoin if they wish, or simply monitor the group's messages on the web without joining (GMF has public messages).

1. The messages which contain "important medical information" which
should then be delivered instantly to all members and...
I agree with the moderator that using Special Notices seems like a good fit for this use case.

Another would be the use of a subgroup, with the primary group reserved for important moderator posts only (Announcement-Only Group). But that is a Premium feature so may not work for you.

Now you could say those members should choose themselves, if they want
a full featured digest or individual email delivery, but try to
explain that to some 460 mailing list dummies ...
You can use the Default Sub Settings tab in your group's Settings page to make the default subscription Email Delivery be digest or daily summary. That won't change any existing members, but new members would start out the setting you choose. You could also choose for them a Message Selection option other than "All Messages".

Shal


moderated Main subgroup screen sort columns, sort by sub-group #suggestion

Roland Roberts
 

I'm still new to groups.io and getting up-to-speed on managing our group.

Our groups are really sort of hierarchical and, while groups.io doesn't directly support that, having the ability to sort the subgroups membership list by the subgroup would make it pretty easy to manage that. As an example, almost everyone who is in our organization is part of an announcement-only sub-group. Except for those who are part of a "friends" group who get their own special announcements only. If I could sort by the "friends" sub-group, I could quickly check that they are not part of the general "announcement" group.

roland


moderated Re: Preventing simultaneous revision of wiki page by more than one member #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

A HARD lockout, not a warning. Folks/ignorant/inattentive/malicious can and will ignore warnings. And the downside is that it‘s not detrimental to THEM, but to everyone else.

But in addition to it being hard, the lockout should also (like an online banking session) time out (with a huge warning) so that no one user could inadvertently lock the wiki page “forever.”  Wiki edits should also get plunked into a Draft location so that time-outs are saved.



Ken
 
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moderated Repeating Calendar Event updating #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

When updating a repeating Calendar Event,
the confirmation window "Edit Recurring Event" asks:

| Would you like to change only this event or all events in the series?
|
| "Only This Event" All other events in the series will remain the same.
| "All Events" All events in the series will be changed.

If one clicks on "All Events" that changes all past occurrences, as well as the current and future ones.
This is usually not accurate.
The past is history, and should not be changed.

There should be a way to update only the current and future occurrences.

Please add "This and Future Events" as an option.

[Mod note: Removed the #bug hashtag]


moderated Re: Preventing simultaneous revision of wiki page by more than one member #suggestion

 

There are many reasons I decided against a database for this. I won't list them here.
So it's not the issue.
Also, we are almost all done getting the bulk of the neighbor info into the list and we ourselves will seldom run into this synchronicity problem again. I do think something needs to be done about this for the sake of other groups and other use cases.
Thanks.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:20 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 01:45 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
It became very real tonight after asking neighbors to input their info
It seems to me that a database/table might be a better choice for this situation, depending on how much information is being added.  I did a quick test this morning and it's possible for one person to be editing their row while another is editing theirs and both are fine, no mingling.  The only time there will be a conflict is if a moderator is making a change while the row owner is also editing.  This results in the "last save wins" scenario.

Duane


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moderated Re: Preventing simultaneous revision of wiki page by more than one member #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 01:45 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
It became very real tonight after asking neighbors to input their info
It seems to me that a database/table might be a better choice for this situation, depending on how much information is being added.  I did a quick test this morning and it's possible for one person to be editing their row while another is editing theirs and both are fine, no mingling.  The only time there will be a conflict is if a moderator is making a change while the row owner is also editing.  This results in the "last save wins" scenario.

Duane