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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

It seems that the notification settings for each type are now scattered around in different places. I can't hold it all in my little head...


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:30 PM J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bug: I edited the #wiki hashtag to not be emailed to the group. Then I edited a wiki page. A #wiki notification was emailed to the group.
Ok, this is not a bug because it is not emailed. BUT there is a distinct lack here of being able to disable the message/notification from going to the group! I was laboring under the wishful thinking that checking the "no email" box would prevent the notification from going to the group *at all*. This is accomplished in uploading a file, for example, by the "notify the group" checkbox. So with any new added notification, I think there also needs to be added the ability to send or not send the notification to the group, on an individual basis, just like with uploading files.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bug: I edited the #wiki hashtag to not be emailed to the group. Then I edited a wiki page. A #wiki notification was emailed to the group.
Ok, this is not a bug because it is not emailed. BUT there is a distinct lack here of being able to disable the message/notification from going to the group! I was laboring under the wishful thinking that checking the "no email" box would prevent the notification from going to the group *at all*. This is accomplished in uploading a file, for example, by the "notify the group" checkbox. So with any new added notification, I think there also needs to be added the ability to send or not send the notification to the group, on an individual basis, just like with uploading files.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will proactively create these hashtags for groups, if they don't already exist.
Great!
click the 'Edit' link for the hashtag (not the Edit Tag button),
 Ok, thanks. I find the double use of "edit" very confusing so hopefully a different word for the second one can be substituted at some point.

you can check the 'Web/App Notify' checkbox. In that regard, as in others, they are just regular emails sent to the group. This is different from the moderator notifications, which are sent to individuals only.
I'm having lots of trouble understanding this. How is the web/app notify a regard in which they're just regular emails? Also, where and how will moderator notifications fit into this scheme? I still don't understand the global thing. At all. Will we be able to edit any of the tags, such as #wiki, so that the emails are sent to moderators only? I don't want the group to receive notifications for wiki edits. When I requested that addition to notifications a long time ago (and others have also done that since), I didn't envision the notifications going to the group. Where will moderator notifications be separated from group notifications? Do you have any sort of list yet that you could post, so we can see which is which? As well as where the mod notifications will be found, edited, etc.? I am still not seeing the forest here...just a few trees here and there. I'm sure there's a beautiful forest somewhere in your head, but I'm not seeing it yet!

Thanks!

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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

J,

There's no way for me to know the reason why notifications aren't available in a browser, so I don't think I can be more specific on the message. But we'll add troubleshooting info to the docs.

To receive a push notification for these, you need to go to the Hashtags page and click the 'Edit' link for the hashtag (not the Edit Tag button), like you're going to mute it. Then you can check the 'Web/App Notify' checkbox. In that regard, as in others, they are just regular emails sent to the group. This is different from the moderator notifications, which are sent to individuals only. My expectation is that most people won't use the `Web/App Notify` functionality; I think of it as a nice to have. I think the push notifications are more important for moderator notifications.

At some point, I will proactively create these hashtags for groups, if they don't already exist.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The text push notification worked, but nothing since then.
typo: "the test push notification"
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:48 PM, Duane wrote:
Create them and make the settings you want. 
Ok, great, thanks. However, it seems preferable for the system to create them all. Before I create them on my own, how do I even know which ones are available? Failing groups.io doing it, there should be a list somewhere, maybe in the documentation, about exactly what notification hashtags are available.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Bug: I edited the #wiki hashtag to not be emailed to the group. Then I edited a wiki page. A #wiki notification was emailed to the group.

Also: I still am receiving no push notifications, despite my notifications being enabled, and specifically enabled for groups.io in Firefox. The text push notification worked, but nothing since then.
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

Duane
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:44 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
1. The hashtag does not come into existence until the event (e.g., edit wiki page) occurs. That does not allow pre-editing. In the example of wiki pages, and probably others, I don't want notification messages going to the group. But there's no way to prevent that a priori, because the hashtag does not exist a prior.
Yes you can, just like I did for all the #cal- tags (I set them all to moderated).  Create them and make the settings you want.  The hashtag is only created on occurrence if it doesn't already exist.

Duane


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

I've started running some tests in my test group. I edited a wiki page. Here are the issues so far:

1. The hashtag does not come into existence until the event (e.g., edit wiki page) occurs. That does not allow pre-editing. In the example of wiki pages, and probably others, I don't want notification messages going to the group. But there's no way to prevent that a priori, because the hashtag does not exist a prior.

2. I didn't get a push notification.

3. I'm not sure about whether a general hashtag edit makes sense for these special tags. I like that there is (I now see, once the tag came into existence) a way to prevent the notification from being emailed to the group. But I feel like hashtags are not the right kind of thing for this. It feels like a square peg in a round hole. I don't see any obvious problems yet but I feel like they will surface eventually.
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:14 PM, I wrote:
For those of us who own multiple groups, it would be helpful if the pushed notification included some indication of which group the update occurred.
Well, if you click on the link, it takes you there...so maybe not so important after all.

Bruce


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:38 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
For those of us who own multiple groups, it would be helpful if the pushed notification included some indication of which group the update occurred.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

I'm behind the curve on this due to not being able to allow Notifications until a few minutes ago. So please excuse a few basic questions: Does
"sent to the group" in the #wiki notification mean the notification is sent as a message to the group? Will there be, or is there, a way for selected notifications to go to moderators only, as there is now for things like pending members? I certainly would not want my whole group notified every time I, or anyone else, edits a wiki page, and hope that all of these deliveries would be subject to options set by moderators.  I don't see any of these hashtags yet in my group and am wondering where they are (since they've been pushed), and I have reloaded since reconfiguring my FF and enabling notifications. So wonder whether I'm looking in the right place, and also I can't see how they can be edited. I hope to catch up on all of this quick.

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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

I'm not sure whether you're still following the other thread on this, but since you're asking for suggestions: Thomas helped me determine that if you're private browsing in FF, that's when you get the "notifications not available on this browser" message. So if that can't be changed/fixed, I think the wording should at least be changed to reflect the reason, if possible. And if the reason is not immediately known in any individual case, I think there should be Help documentation to the effect that private browsing disables notifications.

Good question about what to do about 10 edits in a short period of time. Maybe there should be options for each kind of notification about whether to group them or not. I would not want individual notices for wiki edits by the same user, but I'd want them for photo uploads, for example.
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moderated New notifications #update

 

Hi All,

I just pushed the following changes:

  • Creating or modifying a wiki page now generates a #wiki notification, sent to the group.
  • Uploading photos to an album now generates #photo notification, sent to the group.
  • The existing file notification now comes tagged with a #file hashtag.
  • The Notify Members checkbox when uploading files is now checked by default, in preparation for removing it at some point.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. One thing I'm curious about is whether I need to aggregate these notifications if they are generated within a certain limited time period. That is, if someone does 10 edits of the same wiki page in 5 minutes, should those just generate one notification (after 5 minutes). This would cause a delay on when the notification is sent out while we wait to see if any more changes happen. I'm curious to know if that will be a common occurrence.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Test notification worked.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I double-click on FF in the dock, it no longer allows me to open a new window from there.
I fixed this. Now I'm all set!
 
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 03:03 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
because it is set to not remember history

Or the real reason(?), "because it is set to private browsing." It's tricky because it seems that in FF, removing the "always private browsing" setting disallows "never remember history." So I'm not sure what's the most proximate cause of the failure.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Mark,
If it's possible for groups.io to do, Ii.e., if the information is available, I would change "not available in this browser" statement to "not available in this browser because it is set to not remember history" if that's the case. This took several days to figure out and at various points, I was ready to give up and thought, ok, I just can't have notifications, so forget about it.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Shal,

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
 

I agree that the bell icon is a commonly used method of altering users to notifications. I'm not sure it that would be classed as a push notification though ...
 
Correct, it is not the push notification - that's something separate.

Yes, it was sort of a rhetorical statement/question.

 

 
Presumably in the mobile app the push notifications would go to the device's notification display mechanism, whatever that is.
 
I would hope so too. The notifications from the mobile Chrome and Firefox browsers I have on my phone show in the same manner as all the other apps I have. Interestingly, if I login using the default Samsung mobile browser (Internet) and enable notifications for that, it gets listed as Android - Chrome on my Account > Notifications screen.

Cheers,
Andy


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Thomas,

Yes, that was it! I had History set to "never remember history," which did not allow me to use custom settings for history. I instead checked "use custom settings" and sure enough, it had "always private" checked, which I unchecked. Now I can enable Notifications here. So it seems that in order to use groups.io notifications in FF, you have to enable history, at least in the current incarnation?

Unfortunately, though, doing this made it so that when I double-click on FF in the dock, it no longer allows me to open a new window from there.
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