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Re: #suggestion RSVP Adult Child separate #suggestion

Nancy Funk
 

I agree!  We host many events that are for kids only, parents seem to struggle with how to respond to account for the correct amount of children. For instance, we may host a kids-only class with a maximum number of attendees, but parents will signing up two kids will inadvertently  RSVP for themselves plus two more, when they just need to do a plus 1. It throws off the count. 


Re: text Message Footer in html #bug #fixed

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 06:29 PM, Andrew Partan wrote:
NOT normal here. The only urls that got html linked are the ones
I added to the Message Footer. The rest are untouched.
Andrew -- Just because you're seeing anchor tags is no evidence that groups.io inserted them. A plain-text email cannot include a hyperlink, pretty much by definition; and the Message Footer field in settings has no provision to insert anything as html.

I still think it's something on the receiving end, probably your email client. If you tell us what client you're using (preferably in GMF), we might be able to tell you how to turn it off.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: text Message Footer in html #bug #fixed

Andrew Partan
 

On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 11:48:12PM -0700, Duane wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:16 AM, Andrew Partan wrote:
It show up properly html encoded in the html copy of every message.
But it also shows up html encoded in the text copy of every message.
That sounds normal to me. How it will show up in an email depends
on the program that's reading it. Many will attempt to make a live
link when they see a URL.
NOT normal here. The only urls that got html linked are the ones
I added to the Message Footer. The rest are untouched. And the
{br /} was added too:

_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#26161): https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/26161
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76662310/202549
Mute #bug: https://groups.io/g/beta/mutehashtag/bug
_=_=_
line 1 - {a href="https://my.web.site" target="_blank"}https://my.web.site{/a}{br /}line 2 - {a href="https://your.web.site" target="_blank"}https://your.web.site{/a}
_=_=_
Group Owner: main+owner@beta.groups.io
Unsubscribe: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/leave/random/numbers/xyzzy [subscriber@...]
_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_


Andrew Partan


Re: text Message Footer in html #bug #fixed

Bob Bellizzi
 

Sounds normal BUT possibly you changed your email client, or your email supplied did or you changed something at your end that made it happen.
But as Duane says, it sounds normal.
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Re: text Message Footer in html #bug #fixed

Duane
 

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:16 AM, Andrew Partan wrote:
It show up properly html encoded in the html copy of every message.
But it also shows up html encoded in the text copy of every message.
That sounds normal to me.  How it will show up in an email depends on the program that's reading it.  Many will attempt to make a live link when they see a URL.

Duane


text Message Footer in html #bug #fixed

Andrew Partan
 

If I add a Message Footer like this:

line 1 - https://my.web.site
line 2 - https://your.web.site

It show up properly html encoded in the html copy of every message.
But it also shows up html encoded in the text copy of every message.

It used to show up just fine but this broke a bit ago. Unfortunately
I don't remember when.

I tried going to Admin->Settings and hit the Update Group, but that
didn't fix it. I then tried going to Admin->Settings, made some
minor changes to the Message Footer and hit the Update Group, but
that also didn't fit it.

Andrew Partan


#suggestion RSVP Adult Child separate #suggestion

Anthony Angelo
 

Being able to have RSVPs separate for adult/children would be helpful. The current count is nice as it gives me the number of families attending, but having adult/child counts would be nice.
Thanks.


Conflicting info in Admin>Billing/Upgrade #bug #done

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- The Basic plan features, as shown on this page, erroneously suggest that subgroups are available to free groups.

This is true even for those groups that were started after January 15.

See provided screenshot.

FYI,
Bruce


Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 08:45 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
When changing the reply to setting of a topic, we now record the new setting in the activity log (assuming it's different from the group).
I was going to suggest that it log an entry even when it's not different from the group (i.e., when you change it back to the group setting from something else that it was previously changed to). But when I tested this, I found it does indeed create a log entry when you change it back. However, it does not give the specifics in that case. In other words: when I change a topic's reply-to to something other than the group's, it says "changed reply to setting to xyz." But when I change it back to the group setting, it just says "changed reply to setting."

I would suggest including what it was changed to, even in the case where it's just being changed back to the group setting. The information is not strictly necessary if the user knows that the lack of what it was changed to means it was changed back to the group setting. But why make them wonder?
 
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Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: Event times were not displayed in the correct timezone in the Feed view.
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded to latest version of the Go compiler.
  • INTERNAL: Convert more web pages to use quicktemplates.
  • BUGFIX: Keyword search of a member's activity log was broken.
  • BUGFIX: When viewing an event's responses, if you had not yet responded, it would still say You are attending.
  • NEW: Activity log entries when an organizer sends an email to people that have responded to an event.
  • NEW: New activity log entries for locking/unlocking/canceling events.
  • NEW: New Group/Topic Reply To Setting: Reply To Topic Followers Only.
  • NEW: When changing the reply to setting of a topic, we now record the new setting in the activity log (assuming it's different from the group).

Take care everyone.

Mark


Re: List-Post header option for individual groups #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 02:48 PM, Drew wrote:
On 09/03/20 18:58, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Drew -- If you allow (or maybe even force) html messages and do not click the "remove other reply options" box in settings there should be a "Reply to Sender" link in the message footer.

Hi Bruce.

No, there is no Reply To Sender footer link in received plaintext message posts (only View/Reply Online; Mute This Topic; Group Owner; Unsubscribe.)

That is known, hence Bruce's suggestion.  All of your messages would then contain that footer.

Duane


Re: List-Post header option for individual groups #suggestion

Drew
 

On 09/03/20 18:58, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Drew -- If you allow (or maybe even force) html messages and do not click the "remove other reply options" box in settings there should be a "Reply to Sender" link in the message footer.

Hi Bruce.

No, there is no Reply To Sender footer link in received plaintext message posts (only View/Reply Online; Mute This Topic; Group Owner; Unsubscribe.)



Why is it again that you are unable to take advantage of this? Right now it seems like you're asking Mark to do something to overcome a self-imposed limitation. Not trying to be snarky but I guess I just don't get it yet.

We would like our email subscribers to have an easy & convenient way to choose between replying either to the group, or to the sender alone. Currently, in order to reply to sender alone one of the following methods must be used:

Method 1:

Edit the To/From headers (the exact procedure varies with email client, complicating guidance to our several thousand users).

Method 2:

- Click "View/Reply Online" footer link;
- Click Reply;
- Click Private;
- Click Quote.

These methods are complicated enough to discourage adoption among subscribers, even with continued reminders and instruction. (Typically moderator involvement with this issue requires determining one subscriber's email address and providing it to another with the suggestion that they contact off-list; obviously, not an efficient use of moderators' time.)

A group that chooses to select the proposed List-Post option setting would have a List-Post header inserted into all group message traffic, for example:

list-post: <mailto:YOUR_GROUP@groups.io>

The list-post header has the effect of making available to email subscribers in their mail client a one-click option for replying to the group or replying privately to the sender alone. (At least in the very popular Thunderbird mail software; I assume similar convenience in other applications.)

The List-Post header was adopted briefly system-wide in the past in Groups.io but was removed due to complaints, details I don't recall. I am requesting an optional group-specific setting for those groups who choose to use it.


Drew


Regards,
Bruce


Re: Activity log navlinks hidden #fixed #bug

 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 7:39 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- On a narrow screen (like a phone), it's impossible to page through the activity log. The links to do so seem to be hidden under the footer menu, or maybe that element is too wide to render properly.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chuck Palmer <palmerct@...> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
A simple solution is a one-liner below the billing info, to the effect that “Your billing info, if entered, will be used for any groups you create that require payment, and for donations you elect to make to any of your groups that are enabled to ask for donations. You can change or remove it at any time.”
That idea seems like a good, pragmatic solution.  It does not involve a lot of heavy lifting and would definitely help minimize confusion.

I've added this.

Thanks,
Mark 


Activity log navlinks hidden #fixed #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- On a narrow screen (like a phone), it's impossible to page through the activity log. The links to do so seem to be hidden under the footer menu, or maybe that element is too wide to render properly.

FYI,
Bruce


Re: List-Post header option for individual groups #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

I would comment that all email messages already contain the email
address of the poster in the 'FROM' field althouth they are munged in
many cases for DMARC purposes but it is hardly that complicated to
de-munge them. I have been doing that for years.

Dave

On 3 Sep 2020 at 16:58, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Drew -- If you allow (or maybe even force) html messages and do not
click the "remove other reply options" box in settings there should be a
"Reply to Sender" link in the message footer.

Why is it again that you are unable to take advantage of this? Right now
it seems like you're asking Mark to do something to overcome a
self-imposed limitation. Not trying to be snarky but I guess I just
don't get it yet.

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

I grant that that's the current motivating example, but the rest of the things that Chuck and Duane were discussing are perfectly achievable without the disappearing effect.

Best,

Glenn

On 9/3/2020 10:29, J_Catlady wrote:
Because I don’t like the ultimate effect. Billing info appearing and disappearing. Not being able to enter my billing info when ^I* want to do it (even if I want to do thst before joining or creating any groups). Etc.


On Sep 3, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:


Why?

Best,

Glenn

On 9/3/2020 09:57, J_Catlady wrote:
Yes it can be done, but should it? I say no.


On Sep 3, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:


On 9/3/2020 09:39, Duane wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Chuck Palmer wrote:
I would think that somewhere in the back-end of groups.io is my profile that says what groups I am a member of, what my roles are in those groups, and which groups have donations turned on.
Let's see...  Let's say 100,000 groups, 5,000,000 accounts, at least 3 possible roles per account.  True, a computer can figure all that out, but it takes computing cycles to do it.  It would have to be an almost instantaneous status in order to be useful, like when someone starts a group and wants to upgrade immediately.  Seems like a terrible waste of resources to me, though I'm sure it could be done.  BTW, I doubt that many of my members (~7,000 total) even know the Billing item exists in their account and no one has ever asked about it.

So, I'm a software engineer for Second Life. We have over 2.6 million resident groups in our system and we provide realtime group information, include roles for a member.

The simple db schema for such a thing is to have a user table which has information about users, including a UUID for the user; a groups table that has information about groups including a group UUID and a roles table that has role information including a role UUID. Then, there is a simple mapping table that has rows consisting of tuples (userid,groupid,roleid) that is updated whenever someone joins, leaves or changes roles in the group. Then, retrieving the roles and groups for a user is a simple SELECT statement against the mapping table and decoding the group and role id's back to human readable strings by a secondary lookup. No "waste of resources" and yes, it is available instantaneously. A query of this kind, even including the subqueries for the strings returns in fractions of a second - yes cycles are used, but not an appreciable amount. This is, after all, what databases are built to do.

Best,

Glenn

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Re: List-Post header option for individual groups #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 07:04 PM, Drew wrote:
But occasionally someone will want to make particular arrangements for the sale or trade, shipping, payment, etc that should be taken off-list. The current limitations are very inconvenient for this purpose.

There are also other occasions, non topic specific, that it would be preferable for subscribers to have a simple way to go off-list.
Drew -- If you allow (or maybe even force) html messages and do not click the "remove other reply options" box in settings there should be a "Reply to Sender" link in the message footer. 

Why is it again that you are unable to take advantage of this? Right now it seems like you're asking Mark to do something to overcome a self-imposed limitation. Not trying to be snarky but I guess I just don't get it yet.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: List-Post header option for individual groups #suggestion

Drew
 

That will not work for us. We would like to have both options available to individual subscribers: most replies will go to the group by default; less often individuals will want to go off-list.

For example: items for sale or trade are sometimes posted to the entire group; there may be followup inquiries or comments about the items from other subscribers, also of interest to the entire group. But occasionally someone will want to make particular arrangements for the sale or trade, shipping, payment, etc that should be taken off-list. The current limitations are very inconvenient for this purpose.

There are also other occasions, non topic specific, that it would be preferable for subscribers to have a simple way to go off-list.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On 09/03/20 11:44, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 6:12 PM Drew <@af2z <mailto:@af2z>> wrote:
Since there is no Reply-To-Sender message footer link in plaintext
formatted groups like ours we must either copy & paste the email
address
between headers in the mail reader, or click the View/Reply Online
footer link, which then requires several more button clicks (REPLY,
PRIVATE, QUOTE).
This necessitates an explanation from moderators every time they ask a
subscriber to "take it off-list"; and posting of reminders to the group
on the steps required for replying to sender only, whether online or by
copy/pasting headers.
Just refreshed my memory by looking back at the old topics addressing this. I have a suggestion. You can use the new `Reply To Followers Only` topic setting to move discussions `off-list` (that is, hidden from the rest of the group). No need for your members to change their behavior, no need for you to post reminders on the list. If you see this happening, you can just change the reply-to setting of the topic to this new setting and any further replies only go to the topic participants and not the entire group. You could also set up a hashtag to automatically set a topic to that setting.
Mark


Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Chuck Palmer
 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
A simple solution is a one-liner below the billing info, to the effect that “Your billing info, if entered, will be used for any groups you create that require payment, and for donations you elect to make to any of your groups that are enabled to ask for donations. You can change or remove it at any time.”
That idea seems like a good, pragmatic solution.  It does not involve a lot of heavy lifting and would definitely help minimize confusion.

-chuck