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Re: Bad link in confirmation email #bug

 

Curt,

If trying to join an unmoderated group...
...
However, if they personally know the group owner, perhaps unfortunate:
"Thanks, Mary. I still remember Vegas! ❤️"
Heh.

But even in an unmoderated group that allows non-member posts, a posting from a non-member is always held for moderation. So the "exposure" would be limited to the co-owners and moderators of the group -- unless one of them approved it... 🙄

Shal


Re: Bad link in confirmation email #bug

 

We're very close to this stuff. We know that sending a note to a group is submitting a post.
Folks new to email forums may not know that.

"Anyone that follows the instructions won't have a problem. ;>)"
🙂 
People don't read thoroughly. Natural to click on that shiny link.
(And if using a phone, may not even see all of the message.)

"Some groups allow posts by non-members."
Good point -- a case I hadn't thought of.
However, doesn't that make this bug more serious?

If trying to join an unmoderated group...

1. If they hit the link instead of sending the special reply, they will think they have successfully joined the group when they have not. They won't get the group messages.

2. If they click that link, the text in their reply may be...
Merely noise:
"Thanks for letting me join this group." (which is now polluting Nextdoor.)
However, if they personally know the group owner, perhaps unfortunate:
"Thanks, Mary. I still remember Vegas! ❤️"

Lots of fun,
--cg

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 09:04 AM, Curt Gowan wrote:
When I looked closely at the confirmation email, I saw that the link was 
mailto:Curt-Test@groups.io
-- in other words, causing the applicant to submit a post to a group that they are not yet a member of.
I don't believe this is a bug, nor should it be changed.  Some groups allow posts by non-members.  Anyone that follows the instructions won't have a problem. ;>)

Duane


#suggestion Your Groups Pull-Down Menu #suggestion

Tracy
 

Suggest "Manage My Subscriptions" be at the top of the pull-down of "Your Groups" instead of at the bottom.

It takes extra scrolling to get to the bottom in order to get to it if you have a lot of subscriptions.

Tracy Johnson
BT







NNNN


Some in-message photos do not display #bug

Peter Cook
 

A member of one of my premium groups sent a message that includes ten photos. I am viewing the message in the message list on the web. Six of the photos display properly when I click on their thumbnails. The other four go to a "400 Bad Request" page. However, in the "Emailed photos" album, all of the photos display properly.

Pete
 


Re: Bad link in confirmation email #bug

 

Curt,

2. Got this reply
"Confirm Your Groups.io Subscription.
Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group
Curt-Test@groups.io To complete your
subscription, please reply to this email.
I think this results from a change Mark made some years ago, to use the group's posting address as its "name" or identification in the various notices.

I'm not really a fan of this change, in part for the reason you've encountered, but also just because it looks ugly to me.

Part of what motivated this change was the challenge of citing the "name" of a subgroup. Because they have two: the primary group (subdomain) name and the (sub)group name. Using the posting address combines them in a way that is superficially similar to a non-subgroup address:

name@groups.io
name@subdomain.groups.io

Myself, I would have dropped the groups.io part when used as a name (identifier), eliminating the confusion with an email address:

name
subdomain | name

Both of those are the forms used in the Your Groups list.

Shal


Re: billing showis nonzero amount of space used for "database images" but we have no database #misc

 

That’s my point. If we’d never created a database in the first place, I think there would not be be this “residue,” and it seems like a bug. Thanks for checking your group.

On Nov 7, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:

J . . .

On Mon, 02 Nov 2020 19:25:26 -0800, "J_Catlady"
<@J_Catlady> wrote:

Our Database tab shows "no tables." Yet under Billing, we are still being dec'd by some amount of space for "Database Images." Maybe this is a bug, or maybe it's space used for a setup that exists in every group even if there is no database yet, but either way, it sure looks weird.
I checked one of my groups that has no database and it shows:

Database Images: 0 B - 0% of 1GB

Based on that, I think your group has some small issue.

Or, perhaps if you had a database at one time then deleted it, there's
a small amount of storage space that will never go away?

Donald


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https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
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--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: billing showis nonzero amount of space used for "database images" but we have no database #misc

Donald Hellen
 

J . . .

On Mon, 02 Nov 2020 19:25:26 -0800, "J_Catlady"
<@J_Catlady> wrote:

Our Database tab shows "no tables." Yet under Billing, we are still being dec'd by some amount of space for "Database Images." Maybe this is a bug, or maybe it's space used for a setup that exists in every group even if there is no database yet, but either way, it sure looks weird.
I checked one of my groups that has no database and it shows:

Database Images: 0 B - 0% of 1GB

Based on that, I think your group has some small issue.

Or, perhaps if you had a database at one time then deleted it, there's
a small amount of storage space that will never go away?

Donald


----------------------------------------------------
Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


Re: Site updates #changelog

Dave Sergeant
 

This type of unsubscribe request fails if the email program adds a
signature to postings, like mine do. Some email lists recognise 'stop'
after the 'unsubscribe' as a command to ignore everything that follows.

eg

unsubscribe
stop

Fred Blogs site link

Dave

On 7 Nov 2020 at 9:04, JohnF via groups.io wrote:

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 10:30 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:


NEW: If you send a message with just the word 'unsubscribe' and
nothing else to a group, we now treat it as an unsubscribe request,
like sending a message to +unsubscribe (still requires confirmation).
As long as you confirm it, you might want to do the same thing if
someone sends the word "stop". This isn't traditionally used in
stopping email lists, but it has become standard in stopping SMS lists.
Someone who is more used to texting than joining email lists might try
that. (I don't have any real life examples of someone who did, just
thinking ahead.)

JohnF

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 10:30 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:


NEW: If you send a message with just the word 'unsubscribe' and nothing else
to a group, we now treat it as an unsubscribe request, like sending a message
to +unsubscribe (still requires confirmation).
As long as you confirm it, you might want to do the same thing if someone sends the word "stop". This isn't traditionally used in stopping email lists, but it has become standard in stopping SMS lists. Someone who is more used to texting than joining email lists might try that. (I don't have any real life examples of someone who did, just thinking ahead.)

JohnF


Re: Bad link in confirmation email #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 09:04 AM, Curt Gowan wrote:
When I looked closely at the confirmation email, I saw that the link was 
mailto:Curt-Test@groups.io
-- in other words, causing the applicant to submit a post to a group that they are not yet a member of.
I don't believe this is a bug, nor should it be changed.  Some groups allow posts by non-members.  Anyone that follows the instructions won't have a problem. ;>)

Duane


Same bug in Unsubscribe confirmation email. #bug

 

As one would expect from a well-organized developer, same bug in the
"Confirm Your Groups.io Unsubscribe Request" email.
The canned emails are very friendly and clear, BTW.
Thanks,
--cg
 


Bad link in confirmation email #bug

 

1. Using a different gmail account from the account used to set up a test group called Curt-Test, I sent an note to Curt-Test+subscribe@groups.io 

2. Got this reply
"Confirm Your Groups.io Subscription. 
Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group Curt-Test@groups.io. To complete your subscription, please reply to this email.
If you did not request - or do not want - a subscription to this group, please accept our apologies and ignore this message.
Cheers,
The Groups.io Team"

3. Ignored the instructions and clicked on the link, which sent a note to the group.  

4. Got this response from Gmail:
"Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Message not delivered
Your message couldn't be delivered to Curt-Test@groups.io because the remote server is misconfigured. See technical details below for more information.
The response from the remote server was:
510 5.1.1 Your email address, <redacted>@gmail.com, is not subscribed to that group. To subscribe, send an email to Curt-Test+subscribe@groups.io, or visit https://groups.io/g/Curt-Test "

5. When I ignored the link and sent a reply to the Confirmation email, it worked fine.
The address in the reply was tagged:
"Groups.io" <Curt-Test+subscribe+939633873206536861+5163825@groups.io>

Issue:
When I looked closely at the confirmation email, I saw that the link was 
mailto:Curt-Test@groups.io
-- in other words, causing the applicant to submit a post to a group that they are not yet a member of.

Suggested fix:
The mailto link provided in a confirmation email should have been 
Curt-Test+subscribe+939633873206536861+5163825@groups.io
-- i.e. matching the reply address built into the confirmation email.

Thanks!
--cg
 


Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • DOCS: Updates from Nina.
  • CHANGE: Login links in direct add emails now expire after 24 hours, to match the time frame we use when sending a login link.
  • BUGFIX: If there's only one photo album, disable the Move button when viewing a photo.
  • NEW: If you send a message with just the word 'unsubscribe' and nothing else to a group, we now treat it as an unsubscribe request, like sending a message to +unsubscribe (still requires confirmation).
  • BUGFIX: When following a topic, we send out all existing messages. We were not adding the group subject tag to the messages.
  • NEW: On the /topic and /message pages, there now is a Follow/Unfollow/Mute/Unmute button.
  • CHANGE: Changed 'Reason' column title in the Past Members page to 'History'.

Take care everyone.

Mark


billing showis nonzero amount of space used for "database images" but we have no database #misc

 

Our group used to have a Cats database and we eventually got rid of it. Our Database tab shows "no tables." Yet under Billing, we are still being dec'd by some amount of space for "Database Images." Maybe this is a bug, or maybe it's space used for a setup that exists in every group even if there is no database yet, but either way, it sure looks weird. Also, if it's the latter, I don't think that space should come out of the allocated allowable space if the group doesn't use the feature.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Archive PremiumS #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Bill,

If a list is falling back to Free from Premium... and might not like it, they may take 30 days to really discuss it, and 30 to act.
So maybe Archive their SubGroups etc, while allowing to see but no access, or perhaps as a teaser, no access but Read Only.

You can simulate downgrading a free group by selectively (depending on when the group was created) locking features down so folks cannot send attachments, upload files, etc, something that simulates being right up the 1 GB used space.  That will give them a taste of how things will be with a 1 GB limit!

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Archive PremiumS #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 10:07 AM, billsf9c wrote:
If a list is falling back to Free from Premium
All covered nicely in the Owners Manual.

Duane


Re: Archive PremiumS #suggestion

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 8:07 AM billsf9c via groups.io <OOWONBS=Netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
Just a thought...

If a list is falling back to Free from Premium... and might not like it, they may take 30 days to really discuss it, and 30 to act.

So maybe Archive their SubGroups etc, while allowing to see but no access, or perhaps as a teaser, no access but Read Only.

If a group loses subgroups because of the downgrade, the subgroups are locked, not deleted. You can still see the archives, but it's all read-only.

Cheers,
Mark 


Re: Groups.io instead of Mailchimp #misc

 

I approved this message by mistake. This is more appropriate for GMF and not beta.

Thanks,
Mark


On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 8:39 AM Steve <steveoglesby@...> wrote:
Has anyone tried using Groups.io instead of apps like Mailchimp? Obviously not for marketing, but maybe announcements only? Are there advantages to using this platform over the usual email apps?

Best regards,
Steve Oglesby


Groups.io instead of Mailchimp #misc

Steve
 

Has anyone tried using Groups.io instead of apps like Mailchimp? Obviously not for marketing, but maybe announcements only? Are there advantages to using this platform over the usual email apps?

Best regards,
Steve Oglesby


Archive PremiumS #suggestion

billsf9c
 

Just a thought...

If a list is falling back to Free from Premium... and might not like it, they may take 30 days to really discuss it, and 30 to act.

So maybe Archive their SubGroups etc, while allowing to see but no access, or perhaps as a teaser, no access but Read Only.

And SubGroups is my best example at this early pre-coffee hour. It might apply to other lost teatures.

Once these are "lost-forever," they may force themselves, in a foul mood, to live within Free. But if they can get them back within 60 or 90 days, voille. I had originally thought -30 days. But groups are ships and they turn slowly.

BillSF9c