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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Thomas,

Yes, that was it! I had History set to "never remember history," which did not allow me to use custom settings for history. I instead checked "use custom settings" and sure enough, it had "always private" checked, which I unchecked. Now I can enable Notifications here. So it seems that in order to use groups.io notifications in FF, you have to enable history, at least in the current incarnation?

Unfortunately, though, doing this made it so that when I double-click on FF in the dock, it no longer allows me to open a new window from there.
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J

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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:47 PM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
the setting for always opening in private mode is here:
Thanks!!!! I thought I looked in every possible setting, but did not see that one. I'm again wondering whether the problem is my antique MacOS. I'll look again now.
 
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J

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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:45 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
The only options in Firefox I checked were:
Thanks but that presupposes that groups.io even made the request, which, in my case, it didn't and is not listed there.
 
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J

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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi J,
the setting for always opening in private mode is here:
Open Menu - Options - Privacy & Security
scroll down to History
select „use custom settings for history“ - there’s a check box „Always use private browsing mode“. uncheck that - I would assume it’s checked for you

That should stop the automatic private browsing and then also allow notifications.
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:35 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

Thomas,
Thanks! This restriction needs to be in the documentation!!! I'll try to get out of private windows and see what happens.


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM Thomas Gruber <computerhusky@...> wrote:
hi J
1. + 3.: I think they’re not relevant for notifications. I tried popup blocker on or off in my Firefox, and notifications worked in both cases. I haven’t tested  „do not track“ but that shouldn’t really affect notifications.
2. - YES! I just tested it - when I use private browsing, the notification settings page says „notifications are not supported in this browser“. When I use not private, it works.

No idea why your Firefox always starts in private mode.
Kind regards
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:21 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu





--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?
The only options in Firefox I checked were:



Apart from the Firefox config change to ensure the notifications were passed to the Windows Action Centre I haven't made changes.

Andy


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Thomas,
Thanks! This restriction needs to be in the documentation!!! I'll try to get out of private windows and see what happens.


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM Thomas Gruber <computerhusky@...> wrote:
hi J
1. + 3.: I think they’re not relevant for notifications. I tried popup blocker on or off in my Firefox, and notifications worked in both cases. I haven’t tested  „do not track“ but that shouldn’t really affect notifications.
2. - YES! I just tested it - when I use private browsing, the notification settings page says „notifications are not supported in this browser“. When I use not private, it works.

No idea why your Firefox always starts in private mode.
Kind regards
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:21 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Thomas Gruber
 

hi J
1. + 3.: I think they’re not relevant for notifications. I tried popup blocker on or off in my Firefox, and notifications worked in both cases. I haven’t tested  „do not track“ but that shouldn’t really affect notifications.
2. - YES! I just tested it - when I use private browsing, the notification settings page says „notifications are not supported in this browser“. When I use not private, it works.

No idea why your Firefox always starts in private mode.
Kind regards
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:21 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Daily Summary not being sent to some people #bug #fixed

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:20 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

I've noticed that I'm getting the daily summary and digest from my test subgroup an hour later (at 07:00) than those from my main group (at 06:00). This doesn't seem to make sense as the accounts these are sent to are all in the same timezone (currently UTC +01:00).

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
The push notification appears as a transitory pop-up. Now that I've finally enabled it, it shows in the lower right corner of my primary desktop window, above the time and date in the tool bar (the same place new mail notifications from Thunderbird appear). The pop-up appears regardless of whether my browser has focus at the time.
Aha! So I was confused (which is not surprising).

I was looking for the notification to arrive in the browser toolbar. Instead, it arrives in the desktop taskbar.

Having turned on notifications in both places, I am now receiving them.

Thanks Shal,
Bruce


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Michael Pavan
 

Please add 1 simple switch for Group Owners to turn off all hashtags.

All this #hashtag stuff is fine for those that want them, but let it be an opt-in, rather than impose them.


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Andy,


I agree that the bell icon is a commonly used method of altering users to notifications. I'm not sure it that would be classed as a push notification though ...

Correct, it is not the push notification - that's something separate.

The push notification appears as a transitory pop-up. Now that I've finally enabled it, it shows in the lower right corner of my primary desktop window, above the time and date in the tool bar (the same place new mail notifications from Thunderbird appear). The pop-up appears regardless of whether my browser has focus at the time. (Firefox under Win10). Your mileage may vary with different browsers or operating systems. Maybe also depending on where you have the tool bar docked.

The bell list, or notifications merged into messages list, is a UI feature for finding current and prior notifications.

In a typical "bell" list there's a visual cue for which events you've "seen" and which you haven't. That's functionality that doesn't currently exist in the Messages list, except by the incidental link coloring done for visited pages (which uses browser history to distinguish seen from unseen). But that functionality is a long-standing request that Mark has often mentioned in conjunction with the notification overhaul.

Aren't these initial changes part of an overhaul that paves the way for release of the long-awaited mobile apps?

That's my understanding: this is the web version of functionality to be added to the mobile app betas. Presumably in the mobile app the push notifications would go to the device's notification display mechanism, whatever that is.

Shal


moderated digest & summary subject lines #suggestion #done

Malcolm Austen
 

There is an inconsistency, this is what comes of having digest (plain and MIME) and summary subscriptions to my own (sub)group in addition to single messages.

This afternoon I have:

  • [maintainers] GENUKI maintainers - Daily Summary
  • maintainers@GENUKI.groups.io Digest #2
  • [maintainers] GENUKI maintainers - Digest #2

Could we please have the middle (plain text digest) subject line reformed to be the same as the third (MIME digest) one.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Web notifications now enabled #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've added some debugging information to the notifications page when viewed by your test account Andy. Can you try again and then send a screenshot of this debugging info?
Hi Mark,

I didn't see any debugging information on the notifications screen but this time I was able to turn notifications on in Firefox mobile and the test notification worked also.

Thanks,
Andy


moderated Re: Web notifications now enabled #update

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:27 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

having previously disabled notifications on all devices I cannot test that now because as I said in previous posts the Enable Notifications In This Browser and Send A Test Notification buttons do not work on mobile Firefox.

I've added some debugging information to the notifications page when viewed by your test account Andy. Can you try again and then send a screenshot of this debugging info?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Web notifications now enabled #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:04 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Reset groups.io permissions in Chrome and turned notifications back on again...no dice.
That's weird. I have the same settings in Chrome as you at that point and it works for me (on Chrome mobile also).  It's Firefox mobile that I have a problem with at present as I can't enable notifications.

I did have a problem with Firefox (Windows) not passing notifications to the Windows Action Centre but found a fix for that by changing the Firefox config setting alerts.useSystemBackend to true.

Andy


moderated Re: Web notifications now enabled #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
a daft question perhaps but have you enabled the notifications in your account profile?
Yep. Turned it off and on...three times. Reset groups.io permissions in Chrome and turned notifications back on again...no dice. Even clicking the "Send a Test Notification" button doesn't seem to achieve the objective. Wondering now if there will ever be a desktop app.

Bruce


moderated Re: Web notifications now enabled #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 03:17 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
But maybe I'm missing some fine point,
Hi Bruce,

a daft question perhaps but have you enabled the notifications in your account profile?

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Web notifications now enabled #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 02:45 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
I'm with you. Although I see the new UI controls (drop-list for moderator notifications, checkbox for hashtags) I don't see any hint of notifications, even when I deliberately take an action that should provoke one.

I checked Firefox's exclusion list for sites where I've blocked notifications, Groups.io was not in that list. I've now added it as Allowed. I turned off Cortana's hiding of notifications because it thought I had a window full screen somewhere.
I'm stuck, too. 

I think I have notifications enabled (see screenshot) but somehow it's still not happening.



W10 64-bit with Chrome Version 83.0.4103.97.

Another thought:  Hashtags are only created for a group as they begin to appear in group emails. If they are to be the primary means of managing notifications, this suggests that there's no way to be proactive about it. Hashtag by hashtag, you have to wait until that first email is posted before the corresponding "push" notification can be turned on.

But maybe I'm missing some fine point, because I'm pretty confused about this new feature.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 08:34 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
With the "bell" display pattern I think one in the top-bar that shows a sum over all memberships, plus one in the left nav pane (just above or below Messages) for those specific to a given group, would be good.
I agree that the bell icon is a commonly used method of altering users to notifications. I'm not sure it that would be classed as a push notification though and it probably wouldn't be the attention grabber (especially on mobile devices) that it seems was the intention. Aren't these initial changes part of an overhaul that paves the way for release of the long-awaited mobile apps?

Regards,
Andy