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moderated Re: Force Display Name option

 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 07:33 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Furthermore, the first time anyone posts, groups.io will try to harvest their name from their email address

Actually, I'm not sure at what point groups.io does this, but I've noticed it and this was confirmed by Mark. 
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moderated Re: Force Display Name option

 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 07:16 am, Sugar wrote:
it sure would help us as owner’s determine if that person was  not compliant in other groups or perhaps in the same groups and tried to come back using a different E mail.

I don't see how it would provide that information. They can have a different display name in every subscription.

Also, I like the idea of requiring a display name. However, the moderator/owner can just go in and create one for every member who doesn't have one (I do this). Furthermore, the first time anyone posts, groups.io will try to harvest their name from their email address and put it into their display name automatically. So I think the requirement to force a display name at subscription time might cause members more hassle than it is worth. I don't feel strongly about this either way. 
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moderated Re: Force Display Name option

Sugar Lopez
 

Good morning

I agree. I know that it is the individual’s right to do what they like, but it sure would help us as owner’s determine if that person was  not compliant in other groups or perhaps in the same groups and tried to come back using a different E mail.

Thank you for your consideration. What I do  when I receive a note that someone wants to join I e mail that is shown in the notice sent, ask them who they are how they found the group and then wait upon that answer, if no answer comes to me within a certain time then I do not accept them.

I do this to protect the other members.

Sugar

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Psalm 143:8).
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From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ricky-KF5WVJ via Groups.Io
Sent: March 01, 2017 6:06 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Force Display Name option

 

Hi,

I would like to see an option for admins to be able to force members to create a Display Name when joining. We are in the test phase of our group and when people do not set a display name and we go look at members list it shows the email that was used to sign up with and we have no way of knowing who it belongs to unless we know the person's email address.

 

thanks,

ricky-kf5wvj




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moderated Force Display Name option

Ricky-KF5WVJ
 

Hi,

I would like to see an option for admins to be able to force members to create a Display Name when joining. We are in the test phase of our group and when people do not set a display name and we go look at members list it shows the email that was used to sign up with and we have no way of knowing who it belongs to unless we know the person's email address.


thanks,

ricky-kf5wvj


moderated Recently Posted Photos

Dave Sergeant
 

This has probaby been discussed before, and probably ties in with the
thread on pinned topics.

Our group has a section 'recently posted photos' on its homepage. Is it
possible to disable this in the settings? Although we will occasionally
upload photos it is quite rare and far from the normal use of the
group. At the moment it is showing an image embedded in one of our test
mails, which seems totally pointless and confusing anyway as it only
shows a small section of it.

So can we disable this function, or if not at the moment add the
option?

Thanks
Dave

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Dave Sergeant
 

Just to clarify, while they are 'pending' can they read posts? Our
private groups (when it goes live) is set that only members can read
messages and it is important that remains the case. If that is the
case, and they can only view our homepage and little else, I don't see
a problem.

Dave

On 28 Feb 2017 at 13:40, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Right now, the system treats not confirmed accounts as regular
accounts for
the sake of subscribing to groups. They can't post or do anything
else, but
they can subscribe to groups and they do show up in member lists, so
owners
can see that they're there and can force another confirmation email to
be
sent to them if needed.

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 01:40 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:


so owners can see that they're there and can force another confirmation email
to be sent to them if needed.
In addition to a subscription queue, how about if the system automatically sends a confirmation email (daily?), then toss the account if it hasn't been confirmed within some time frame (a week?) I don't believe there's a way for someone that is confirmed to go back to NC, only bouncing, so this might also be useful for busy mods.

Duane


moderated Updates to Trello

beta@groups.io Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New comment on card "Ability to have a waitlist for an event." by Mark Fletcher:

Done.


[Beta] The card "Ability to have a waitlist for an event." was archived.


moderated Re: Do Admin Notices now get more "preview space"?

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 02:49 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
You can designate one wiki page as a banner, which gets
displayed at the top, completely (so don't make it too long). This can be
dismissed and won't re-appear until/when that wiki page is updated. Then we
change 'normal' pinned messages to be displayed again as normal messages.
You can continue to pin as many messages as your heart desires.
I also like this idea. I was going to mention that some groups like to pin topics to the top not because they have administrative information in them, but so that people can find them easily and post to them on an ongoing basis. An example would be an "Introduce yourself to the group" topic, where new members would post something about themselves all in one topic, and the group owner wouldn't want it falling off the front page.

These kinds of topics don't need a five-line preview, though, so that's what makes this a good approach. If the group owner wants to call attention to the sticky topic, that can be part of the wiki banner displayed at the top.

JohnF


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 01:40 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:


I can make it so that you can't join a group until you confirm your account
Maybe not activate group subscription flow until the address is confirmed? (And have those expire after x days if it doesn't happen?) Basically, queue the subscriptions until confirmed. Many of the NC that I see on my groups are folks that mistyped the email address, so it could never be confirmed. I go in now and then to delete the extraneous ones.

Duane


moderated Updates to Trello

beta@groups.io Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New card "Ability to mark a wiki page as a banner, and revert large sized sticky posts." was added to list "Messages and Archives".


[Beta] The blue label "Messages & Archives" was added to the card "Ability to mark a wiki page as a banner, and revert large sized sticky posts.".


[Beta] The description of card "Ability to mark a wiki page as a banner, and revert large sized sticky posts." was changed to:

Sticky posts will no longer be displayed with 5 lines. Also, you will be able to mark a wiki page as a 'banner', and it will be displayed in its entirety at the beginning of the archives. Banners can be dismissed, and that will be remembered, until/when the wiki page is updated.


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 01:40 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I could do something like you could join a group as not confirmed, but the subscription doesn't become real until you confirm?

That sounds to me like what's being done already, so it must be semantics and what you mean by "doesn't become real." Not sure what you mean by a "real" subscription. Right now, aren't the NC members "not real" members in the sense that they don't have access to the group, don't receive and can't post messages, etc.? How would this change?

Our group doesn't have the problem with bogus subscriptions. In the case of the members who can't confirm, the members have always been legitimate, but just haven't been able to find their confirmation emails, even in their spam folders. This seems to be more infrequent lately than before, so I have no real stake in this and no strong opinion.
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moderated Re: Do Admin Notices now get more "preview space"?

 

Mark,

I would probably never use the banner, but I am happy with the normal display of pinned messages and the lack of limitation on them. I still would love a "Group FAQs" section. :-)
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moderated Re: Do Admin Notices now get more "preview space"?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark, I think that's a good approach.
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Re: Spam/bogus join requests

 

Mark,

What, if anything, should I change about this? I've gotten several
complaints from restricted groups that have to deal with these bogus
subscriptions.
What is it the restricted group mods don't like?

That is, it is perilous to suggest mitigation ideas when I don't know what it is they don't like having to "deal with".

Is it the pending member notification? Maybe that can be deferred until the person confirms. Or maybe notification of an unconfirmed pending member is a separate notification checkbox.

Is it the mere presence of these NC members in their Members list? I don't see much hope for that without breaking the ability for mods to help legit but NC members get confirmed. Maybe a "confirmed only" view of the list in addition to Moderators, Pending, Bouncing and Banned?

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Do Admin Notices now get more "preview space"?

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 02:49 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:


Here's my proposal:
Sounds like a very reasonable compromise that could be adapted to fit most (all?) of the uses noted here.

Duane


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Jim Ruby <jim@...> wrote:

Not sure if this is a good idea, but if they don’t confirm in an determined amount of time they can expire and be deleted.

 


The issue is more that the group owners don't want to be bothered at all by these bogus accounts. At the least, making them confirm the accounts before getting added (or pending) to a group.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Jim Ruby <jim@...>
 

Not sure if this is a good idea, but if they don’t confirm in an determined amount of time they can expire and be deleted.

 

 

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:41 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Spam/bogus join requests

 

Hi All,

 

I've gotten several reports of groups getting subscription requests from clearly bogus accounts, and I can see it in the logs (a single IP address will go through and subscribe to a bunch of groups using different email addresses). These email addresses never confirm themselves.

 

Right now, the system treats not confirmed accounts as regular accounts for the sake of subscribing to groups. They can't post or do anything else, but they can subscribe to groups and they do show up in member lists, so owners can see that they're there and can force another confirmation email to be sent to them if needed.

 

What, if anything, should I change about this? I've gotten several complaints from restricted groups that have to deal with these bogus subscriptions. I can make it so that you can't join a group until you confirm your account, but that interrupts the subscription flow. I could do something like you could join a group as not confirmed, but the subscription doesn't become real until you confirm? I'd appreciate any ideas.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Do Admin Notices now get more "preview space"?

 

Hi All,

Here's my proposal: You can designate one wiki page as a banner, which gets displayed at the top, completely (so don't make it too long). This can be dismissed and won't re-appear until/when that wiki page is updated. Then we change 'normal' pinned messages to be displayed again as normal messages. You can continue to pin as many messages as your heart desires.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

I've been a group owner/moderator since Ecircles, through Egroups and into Yahoo.  I think that spans about 17 years.

Our group average membership is about 3000 for patient advocacy, support and education.

For the life of me I cannot think of a single reason to clutter our message page with a sticky message or more than one.

As Mark stated, that would seem to be more of a web page function where you see sliders, popups and rotating displays.




moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

 

Haha difficult to believe.;)
J

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On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I seem to be locked out at the moment from accepting invitations to Yahoo Groups as part of the easy group transfer process. My speculation is that this is because of one of three things:

- Amazon is having issues with some of their hosting services right now; perhaps that's affecting Yahoo groups invites.
- I have seen a large uptick in invite requests over the past day or so; I may have hit some sort of limit.
- Yahoo may just be broken (I know this one is difficult to believe).

So, if you've sent an invite to transfer (at) groups.io and not received an acknowledgement, it's because of this. I'll post when I can accept invites again.

Thanks,
Mark

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