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moderated Re: suggestion: enhance the example promote HTML with captcha

Sarah k Alawami
 

Be careful with the captcha. If you add a captcha and not make it accessible for the visually impaired, that is a bit of an issue. I like the idea but let's think of how we will implement this.

On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:20 AM, David Hawk <dhawk@...> wrote:

We added the example promote HTML to our website in order to allow people to click on a link and get added to our email list.  Since then we have been bombarded with a lot of probably fictitious email addresses joining our group (10 a day?).  I suspect they are spammers hoping our email list is configured to allow any member to post (it isn’t).
 
We would like to suggest that the example HTML include Captcha to prevent robots from signing up.  
 
Thanks,
David Hawk
 


moderated Re: suggestion: enhance the example promote HTML with captcha

 

Hi,

From accessibility point of view, I think this should be something configurable on a group-by-group basis please.

Cheers,

joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Hawk
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:21 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] suggestion: enhance the example promote HTML with captcha

 

We added the example promote HTML to our website in order to allow people to click on a link and get added to our email list.  Since then we have been bombarded with a lot of probably fictitious email addresses joining our group (10 a day?).  I suspect they are spammers hoping our email list is configured to allow any member to post (it isn’t).

 

We would like to suggest that the example HTML include Captcha to prevent robots from signing up. 

 

Thanks,

David Hawk

 


moderated suggestion: enhance the example promote HTML with captcha

David Hawk <dhawk@...>
 

We added the example promote HTML to our website in order to allow people to click on a link and get added to our email list.  Since then we have been bombarded with a lot of probably fictitious email addresses joining our group (10 a day?).  I suspect they are spammers hoping our email list is configured to allow any member to post (it isn’t).

 

We would like to suggest that the example HTML include Captcha to prevent robots from signing up. 

 

Thanks,

David Hawk

 


moderated Re: Status Results in Sent Invitations

Bob Bellizzi
 

Maybe they got a draft deferment?
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moderated Re: links to individual database rows #suggestion

 

J,

It would be convenient if each row in a database could have its own
link.
Seconded. Permalinks for all user contributions.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/13395

Shal


moderated links to individual database rows #suggestion

 

It would be convenient if each row in a database could have its own link. We use the database for the basic information on each cat, and if members could include a link to their cat's row when posting, it would save responders a lot of the work needed to look the cat up in the database and/or in prior threads. We also are requesting that members provide basic info about their cats in their signatures. Being able to use a link to their cat's row in the database would make that more convenient and comprehensive.
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Good on the hashtag wording. :)
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Thank you for all of your hard work and knowledgable help.
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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Event RSVPs can include additional guests.
  • NEW: Logging RSVP responses to the activity log.
  • CHANGE: Hashtag alias wording clarified.
  • NEW: Group guidelines now have a Private checkbox; when checked, only members can view the guidelines.
  • BUGFIX: When paying an overdue invoice, we mistakenly reset the next payment date to next month, even for annual plans.
  • SYSADMIN: Migrated databases from Postgres 9.3 to 9.6 and from Centos 6.5 to 7. Also now using wal-g for log shipping.
  • SYSADMIN: Migrated redis to latest version.
  • CHANGE: Added labels to the form on the send invites page to hopefully help with screen readers.
  • BUGFIX: Markdown formatted calendar descriptions were treated as plain text.
  • SYSADMIN: Moved the error logging service off the main database machine.
  • BUGFIX: Long links weren't getting broken up on iPhone in the editor. Hopefully fixed.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: Status Results in Sent Invitations

 

Mark,

Some time ago I blocked all email to aim.com ...
I've removed the block on that domain.
Ok. I've re-sent that one; we'll see what happens.

Shal


moderated Re: Status Results in Sent Invitations

 

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I invited a bunch of high school buddies to my reunion group. As expected, some have accepted, many are still pending ("Sent"), and some Failed.

Unexpected was that some are "Deferred" - Does that mean they will be retried until they are either "Sent" or "Failed"? They seem to be either MX lookup failures or i/o timeout. The MX failures are probably typos or other problems with the addresses, but the i/o timeouts I can't guess at.

Yes, that's correct. That means we're still trying to send the invites.

 
Also unexpected was one of the failures: "Failed - force failed". Unlike the rest of the failures that one doesn't have a 500 code in the status. What does that mean? Did the failure happen on Groups.io's side?

I checked and that was for an email address @aim.com. Some time ago I blocked all email to aim.com. I've dug through my notes because I don't remember why I did that. Unfortunately, the search came up empty. If I had to guess why I put the block in place, I'd say it's because email isn't accepted at that domain and it was causing problems for us. But I honestly don't remember. I've removed the block on that domain. 

Mark


moderated Additional guests for RSVPs

 

Hi All,

Now, if you request an RSVP for your event, you can specify that people can bring additional guests. There's a new checkbox 'Attendees can bring guests'. If checked, when someone RSVPs, they can specify a number of additional people that they're bringing (+1, +2, etc). Where this gets tricky is when the event has a max number of attendees. For those events, if the event is full, and a person who has already RSVPed yes increases their number of guests, they will go on the waitlist. 

The waitlist is ordered by when someone initially RSVPed. So if someone was the first to respond yes, then adds additional guests causing them to go on the waitlist, they will be at the front of the waitlist.

I have also added logging of RSVP responses to the activity log.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Status Results in Sent Invitations

 

Maybe their graduation was deferred or they failed their classes. 😁

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Mark,

I invited a bunch of high school buddies to my reunion group. As expected, some have accepted, many are still pending ("Sent"), and some Failed.

Unexpected was that some are "Deferred" - Does that mean they will be retried until they are either "Sent" or "Failed"? They seem to be either MX lookup failures or i/o timeout. The MX failures are probably typos or other problems with the addresses, but the i/o timeouts I can't guess at.

Also unexpected was one of the failures: "Failed - force failed". Unlike the rest of the failures that one doesn't have a 500 code in the status. What does that mean? Did the failure happen on Groups.io's side?

Shal





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moderated Status Results in Sent Invitations

 

Mark,

I invited a bunch of high school buddies to my reunion group. As expected, some have accepted, many are still pending ("Sent"), and some Failed.

Unexpected was that some are "Deferred" - Does that mean they will be retried until they are either "Sent" or "Failed"? They seem to be either MX lookup failures or i/o timeout. The MX failures are probably typos or other problems with the addresses, but the i/o timeouts I can't guess at.

Also unexpected was one of the failures: "Failed - force failed". Unlike the rest of the failures that one doesn't have a 500 code in the status. What does that mean? Did the failure happen on Groups.io's side?

Shal


moderated Re: "Guidelines" now publicly visible! #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 01:56 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
You all are doing a wonderful job at dealing with us.
Agreed.:) Thanks, Mark!
 
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moderated Re: "Guidelines" now publicly visible! #suggestion #bug

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hey, thanks for that. I'll take that as a compromise. You all are doing a wonderful job at dealing with us. Lol!

Blessings and happy Thursday

On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Group guidelines messages now have a new checkbox, Private. When checked, only group members will be able to view the guidelines. It is not checked by default.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: "Guidelines" now publicly visible! #suggestion #bug

 

Hi All,

Group guidelines messages now have a new checkbox, Private. When checked, only group members will be able to view the guidelines. It is not checked by default.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: "Guidelines" now publicly visible! #suggestion #bug

Jeremy H
 

The bottom line for this issue is that different owners and different groups will for different reasons (good or bad) come to different conclusions as to whether their 'guidelines' should be publicly visible (i,e. to non-members), not least because of differing opinions on what to have in them, in the same way that they have different views on what else of their group should be visible.

As it would not seem to be difficult to have a setting for this (either under privacy or guidelines settings), that is the way I would urge Mark to go - then hopefully we can all be be happy in our different ways.

The other two elements which seem (at present) always to be publicly visible are the group's home page, and list of subgroups (at least those 'listed in parent group') - I would say that at the very least there is a case for having an option to make these visible only to members.

Jeremy
 


   


moderated Re: "Guidelines" now publicly visible! #suggestion #bug

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 08:38 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
That doesn't mean that I would find the Guideline page completely unusable if it remains members-only. Nor does it mean that I would object to having its visibility be a group option.
Shal, that's great to hear, because for me it would unusable if were public. I don't see why anyone here would object to a simple option (or a correspondence "public guidelines for a public group"). I need the *detailed* group rules/guidelines to be mailed out every month, accessible on the site, and mailable to individuals when needed. It would be useless for me to have a watered down, overly general summary of them in the tab, because then I would *still* have the problem that caused me to request this feature in the beginning - I would still have to mail the details out by hand every month, maintain them in separate places, etc. And in our group's case it would be, for various reasons, inappropriate and possibly even harmful to the group to include all the details of our group rules in a tab available to the public.

I hope that Mark finds a way to compromise on this. 
 
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moderated Re: "Guidelines" now publicly visible! #suggestion #bug

 

J,

My point is that in yahoo, and before the guidelines tab in
groups.io, nobody complained that group guidelines were not available
until they joined a group.
It's true - we worked with what we had.

Beta@ is about improving the Groups.io service. I think the Guidelines page was a good step forward, but I also think that making it members-only was a step backwards. Hence my disagreement with that change.

I've said what I need to say about why I think the Guidelines page is a more useful feature if it is a public page, an adjunct to the Home page.

That doesn't mean that I would find the Guideline page completely unusable if it remains members-only. Nor does it mean that I would object to having its visibility be a group option.

Shal

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