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moderated Re: photos on home page

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:22 pm, J_Catlady wrote:


"notify group" would be by the member posting the photo
That's the one I'd like to be able to turn off, if it's implemented (as well as on files which is now there.) Or be able to remove/delete the notification if all files/photos/etc are moderated. (If the "notify" is an option for the user, I'd want it off by default, but would prefer that I could disable it completely.)

I'm only referring to uploaded items, not attached (which is turned off in most of my groups.)

Duane


moderated Re: photos on home page

 

p.s. It also makes me wonder, if photos are moderated, what will happen when duplicate photos come in via email replies. You would not want to force the same photo to be approved 10 times in a row. Or are we just talking about uploaded, rather than emailed photos?
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moderated Re: photos on home page

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm, Duane wrote:
Moderation should send a notification (if you choose to get them.) In this case, having a "notify group" option on the moderation page may solve both situations.

I like the moderation idea but I think we're now talking about apples and oranges. My thought was that the option to "notify group" would be by the member posting the photo, in case they wanted to explictly share (or not) the photo. That, of course, is different from the mods getting a notification of the upload, or approving/rejecting the upload, or notifying the group themselves.
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moderated Re: photos on home page

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:28 am, Carol Good wrote:


things that are sneaked into the files or photos
This is where I'd like to see the ability to have these (and databases, calendar, etc.) be moderated. Then they'd need approval before anyone could see them (or they could be rejected or deleted.) Moderation should send a notification (if you choose to get them.) In this case, having a "notify group" option on the moderation page may solve both situations. I'd still like to be able to disable the "notify group" on the actual upload pages though, in case I don't want to moderate certain items.

Duane


moderated Re: photos on home page

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:28 am, Carol Good wrote:
We'd be happy with just notifications to moderators.

Yes, I see now that you're asking for something different. An optional "notify the group" would not solve your problem. Maybe if we're extra nice to Mark we can have both! ;) 
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moderated Re: photos on home page

Carol Good
 

We'd be happy with just notifications to moderators. While we've had very few problems in 15-odd years at Yahoo, things that are sneaked into the files or photos without our knowledge could be contentious. While we can keep members on moderated status as far as messages are concerned, there's no similar provision to disallow individual members from uploading files or photos (Yahoo did have a 'disallow this member from uploading photos' option).

Carol


moderated Re: photos on home page

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 09:12 am, Carol Good wrote:
We don't want to restrict members from either sort of upload but with certain people we do like to keep a close eye on what they're up to.

I would love optional group-notification of photo uploads, as well, but for the opposite reason: people post photos of their cats to share with group members, but it doesn't really get shared because nobody knows about it unless they purposely start going through the photos pages! I often find the upload in the log and then myself post a message to the group with a link to the cat pic. So giving people the chance to click on "notify members" would be great. (I would even make the notify option the default for photos, since by their very nature, photos are something that people are posting in order to share.) 
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moderated Re: photos on home page

Carol Good
 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 03:21 am, Jean Bennett wrote:
No objection here. Our group disallows attachments anyway - so either way is
not a problem for us. More important to us would be an automatic notification
that a new photo has been added to the photos section, and the ability to
rearrange photos within albums and to comment directly on photos. Those are
things that we really miss from the Yahoo days. I know those are on the "to
do" list and we are really hoping that they can be accomplished in 2017.
I'd like to just follow up on this and add that we could really use automatic notification of both photos and files uploaded to our group. We've just transferred our yahoogroup (marvellous service, Mark!) and clicking around today I found that one member has been busy uploading photos. We don't want to restrict members from either sort of upload but with certain people we do like to keep a close eye on what they're up to.

Carol


moderated what does 'confirmation' accomplish?

 

I've noticed that 'NC' appears next to a pending member only if the pending member is not already a member of groups.io at all. If they are already in some other group besides the one they have (presumably) applied to join, there will be no NC next to their name, so it will look as if they have confirmed for *this* group.

So (1) after an application for membership comes in from an email address that's already a groups.io member, is a confirmation email still sent? (2) If it is not sent, what's preventing me (or any other groups.io member) from applying to another group via the web, using someone else's' enail address? (3) If it is sent, how does response to it change either the member's status and/or what the moderator of the group applied to sees?

J


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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Tony Moody
 

Thanks Bob,
Will add that to my list of Chuckles,

"Doesn't know his icon from his url" - Bob

Well, it gave me a smile !

Tony



On 4 Mar 2017 at 13:44, Bob Bellizzi wrote about :
Subject : Re: [beta] Site updates #changelog

We're well aware of the shortcomings. While I may not be a "sophisticated user" I'm fairly experienced. In fact unless they are older than me (85 & 11/12)and started their hardware/software careers before I did (1956) I don't have many worries about our member sophistication regarding computers. Most don't know what an icon is or a url.


Bob Bellizzi, 85 and still designing/implementing software, websites, etc.

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

  


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

We're well aware of the shortcomings.  While I may not be a "sophisticated user" I'm fairly experienced.  In fact unless they are older than me (85 & 11/12)and started their hardware/software careers before I did (1956)  I don't have many worries about our member sophistication regarding computers. Most don't know what an icon is or a url.


Bob Bellizzi, 85 and still designing/implementing software, websites, etc.

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

 

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:46 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Can you side-step it by creating additional accounts (transfer1, transfer2, transfer3

LOL spy-vs-spy ;)
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moderated Re: Yahoo Easy Group Transfer

 

Mark,

It certainly seems like I'm running up against some sort of rate
limit for accepting invites for the transfer groups.io account.
...
I've tried using a VPN to see if it's just tied to my IP address, but
it's apparently tied to the account.
Can you side-step it by creating additional accounts (transfer1, transfer2, transfer3, ...)? That may get a little tedious to manage, but I'm sure you'll figure out something.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:56 am, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
It's a list we we want members viewing but not copying, it's very  large.

Bob,

        While I understand what you're saying, the file itself does get downloaded behind the scenes for presentation.  A sophisticated computer user can easily determine where that temporary copy of the PDF is stored and then copy and paste it elsewhere.  A really sophisticated user can get around the Adobe protections as well.

         It's going to be downloaded for display no matter how large it is.

         If any one of your members has their browser set up such that PDFs don't display in the browser I know of no way you can prevent them from viewing the PDF in a link that's accessible to them, and that means the file will be downloaded to accomplish that.  Whether they know how to actually save the content such that they can retrieve it later is an entirely separate issue, but if you put it on the web, believe me, it can be saved if someone is determined enough.
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Brian

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Thanks Brian,

It's a list we we want members viewing but not copying, it's very  large.

By setting file properties in Adobe we can prevent saving and printing.

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Bob,

          Make certain that you don't have your browser configured such that it will not display PDF files in the browser.  I actually hate "in browser" PDF displays as a general rule so have Firefox and Chrome configured not to open PDFs in the browser.  If that is how you're set up a download will always be attempted.

          If it will display those from other sites then there may be a bug.
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bob Bellizzi
 

Not working on FuchsFriends premium.  Still wants to download not display (File was created using MS Word SaveAs PDF) The file is in  Doctor List and is doclist2-26-2017

  • CHANGE: Clicking on a PDF in Files will display it in the browser now. Still concerned about security issues with other files, tho.

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • NEW: Sent out emails to premium groups telling them that we will begin recurring charges in the next several weeks.
  • CHANGE: Premium plans now support having group aliases (previously this was an Enterprise plan only feature).
  • NEW: Send an email reminder to people with credit cards that will be expiring next month.
  • BUGFIX: With the Github integration, we were not properly converting pull request comments from markdown to HTML.
  • CHANGE: Clicking on a PDF in Files will display it in the browser now. Still concerned about security issues with other files, tho.
  • CHANGE: Removed the 'Recently Posted Photos' part of the group home page.
  • NEW: New attachments view to see which messages are taking the most space.
  • BUGFIX: For edited pending and archived messages, force any plain text parts to be UTF 8 encoded. We were already forcing the HTML parts to be UTF-8, but that ignored plain text only messages.
  • CHANGE: The members display is now striped, hoverable and you can click anywhere on a row to get to the member. Hopefully this reduces confusion.
  • CHANGE: Improvements to the Subgroups table for groups with large numbers of subgroups.
  • BUGFIX: When viewing a member, don't display the Remove button if you don't have permission to remove them (it didn't work before, but we shouldn't have displayed the button anyways).

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mark


moderated Re: bug? or bad feature? "Likes" by former members go to error message, should be removable? #bug #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

           I have no argument with what you're saying if the intention was to make someone's profile unavailable, but I'm not absolutely sure that's the intent.

           Since there is a "Groups.io" profile along with the ability to create group specific profiles I would imagine that one of those (probably the Groups.io profile) is meant to be accessible at least so long as you're a member of  Groups.io if not "in perpetuity."

            There is one forum, on another site, that I ceased to be a member of when I left the club that sponsors it where my profile still exists and can be accessed coming up on four years after my active membership ceased.  I do not object to this as all of that information was public when I was a member and, as far as I'm concerned would always remain public.  That has always seemed to me to be the purpose of a profile on any web-based medium that uses one.

             I will agree, though, that something needs to be changed with the current status quo.  If the intent is to "erase the member's profile" then the ability to click through to said profile should not be possible and that "page not found" should not be displayed.  If the intent is to keep information for the historical record then the profile information should remain accessible and displayed.

             I have no strong feelings about which is "the right solution."
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Brian

The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

    ~Bertrand Russell


moderated specify on home page whether replies go to group, individual, or mods #suggestion

 

I recently ran into some confusion with a group that was set to "reply to moderators." The reply box had only "reply to moderators" at the bottom, but even the moderators/group owner seemed not to be aware of the setting. I think it would be helpful to put this information on the home page.
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