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moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

 

Brian,

Of course. I'm talking about two different messages (possibly even more), and I gave a very tentative example of one that could be used for moderation. It's a draft and we're still working out the details. The example actually started out as the message for locking, but morphed into one for moderation (since we have a couple of members on "override - can post"). Both are going to change a lot by the time we start using them.

Forget the actual text. The text I posted is a work in progress and would be different for each group in any case.
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moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

         I think the automated part would be great, but I am unclear as to whether you're talking about sending out a separate notice message or adding text such as you propose as the "next message on the thread" when it goes on moderated status.  I think the latter makes sense.

        Also, and it's a nit, but you say "locking or moderation" and go on to give an example of what my gut tells me was meant to be the grand, unified notice but that refers only to moderation.  I'd say that two different messages would be preferable, one for locking and one for moderation, but the group owner can designate the exact text for each (and use the same text if that's what they want to do).  I'd be a bit more stern in the message I'd post were a thread to be locked secondary to "behavioral issues" than I would for one moderated for what are typically much milder "behavioral issues."
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       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

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moderated automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

 

Our group has concocted a "topic on moderation" message with the goal of being friendlier towards the well-meaning (and well-behaving) group members who have been posting in a thread that needs locking or moderation. It goes something like this:

"Thank you to those who have participated in this thread. In our effort to balance the often competing goals of increasing helpfulness, accuracy, and camaraderie while decreasing distraction, misleading information, and clutter, this thread is now going on moderated status. All replies to it by everyone except Dr. X and members of the administrative team will require approval." 

The idea was suggested by a member of our admin team and we are working out the details, but I immediately had the impulse to want it to be automated. So, is this possible? Could there be a customizable message for the lock and moderate topic situations that moderators can click on to include as the last post in a thread before it goes on moderation or is locked? I suppose it would require a new message category in "member notices," possibly "topic notice"? Then when you click on "moderate topic" or "lock topic," a dropdown would come up. Or something. Not sure whether this is more trouble than it's worth, but it would be very convenient for our group.

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Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Taffman <webmaster@...>
 

Thank you Mark, that should help. I favour the approach taken by the e107 CMS sign up process. In e107 the site admin can define sign up questions and which or these are mandatory, for closed user groups simply asking them for their name and community membership number for example should be enough for the list moderator to quickly spot the genuine from the bogus. We are not plagued by this ourselves but it would help prevent the asking new sign ups for this info before allowing them onto the list.


moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:54 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
 There could be a couple of notable exceptions were the opportunity to present itself!

Hehe. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: remove "active" badge for "member notices" that are not of the automated types #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 07:31 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
But I'm wondering if maybe there ought to be.

Maybe, but some of this I disagree with. I find the saved text from the previous invite or add distinctly annoying, and have to get rid of it every time (and once I forgot to delete it and accidentally sent the prior customized text to the next person). I'll bow out of this for now... 
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moderated Re: remove "active" badge for "member notices" that are not of the automated types #suggestion

 

J,

I don't think so. They're inherently different, since there's no
choice in which message to send *at the time of the action* in either
of those.
But I'm wondering if maybe there ought to be.

That is, the moderator is on the Invite (or Add) page, looking at the text. If he/she realizes at that moment that a different template would be more appropriate, wouldn't it make sense to have that dropdown list right there and allow him/her to select from it?

As it is, the mod must back out of the Invite, go over to the Settings, Member Notifications, change the "Active" selection there, and then go back over to Invite and start over. I would argue that, for these two cases at least, that "Active" should act as no more than a default, with the moderator being able to select another from that dropdown list.

Or, I'd take it the step further, and eliminate "Active" for these two (Invite Message and Direct Add Message) as well as Message to Member, and have the last sent text be the default selection. I really think these three have more in common, from a UI point of view, than any of them do with the other, automatic, notices.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: remove "active" badge for "member notices" that are not of the automated types #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:47 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Maybe these two cases should work more like "Message to Member"?

I don't think so. They're inherently different, since there's no choice in which message to send *at the time of the action* in either of those. You choose the "active" message before doing the action, and then that message is sent automatically.

"Message to member," by contrast, has that little dropdown (the one I never realized until recently was there;) where you choose to send which one at the time you send it. The "active" badge really needs to go away for those, since the fact that there's only one implies or hints or misleads the moderator to think that you choose one preemptively (as with the other types) and then it's sent automatically. 
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moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

 

Brian,

Fair enough. I think that was a candle and a toothpick.
Intentionally so, aimed at enlightenment rather than ouster.

... the statement, "email groups are still one of the best ways to
communicate with groups of people," is every bit as much a matter of
personal opinion and perspective as mine, which is the diametrical
opposite.
Perhaps so, but beta@ is not a general discussion group or nor a debate forum, as much fun as that is. This group has a stated purpose, and its purpose is to improve Groups.io as a product.

In that sense, deprecation of the feature which is the core and origin of the product is not helpful. As noted on beta's home page, even general questions about using the product are a distraction here.

I do not include in my criticism your original reply to Bob, nor J's, as I agree that an understanding of the limitations and consequences of how the split topic feature interacts with email replies is essential. And discussing them in beta@ can be useful if that discussion is aimed at finding ways to overcome those problems.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Merge messages to account

Benoît Dumeaux
 

After Y!G transfer some profil and message are not linked to account. Possibility to merge message to account?


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:14 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
INTERNAL: Developed api test harness for development of iOS/Android app.

It's possible to imagine to futur a app like Facebook Groups?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.groups


moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:29 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
p.s. Yes, I'm kidding. Half.;)

I wish that's something I could do on a number of groups I'm on, but until or unless the web interface were to become much more accessibility friendly (as in easier to navigate with a screen reader) than it currently is I'd be pushing people off a cliff.  I don't do cliff-pushing.  At least not for the vast majority of humanity.  There could be a couple of notable exceptions were the opportunity to present itself!
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moderated Re: remove "active" badge for "member notices" that are not of the automated types #suggestion

 

J,

I don't think that "active" is meaningful for "member notices," yet
the possibility exists to designate one, and only one, of them as the
"active" message, which I think is a bit misleading and confusing.
Agreed. In the case of "Message to Member" notices the designation as "Active" has no function. In this case it doesn't even have the effect of being a default: nothing gets filled in unless the moderator selects one of the templates from the drop-list.

I don't think we would want to change that.

That is, we could have the "Active" Message to Member used as a default and pre-fill the message Subject and Body. If that were done then for the "default" case the moderator could simply click "Send to Member". But then for any ad-hoc message the moderator would have to delete the pre-filled text. Overall, I don't think that's better.


"Message to Member" is one of at least three cases of a Member Notice which is only sent by explicit moderator action. Two others are "Invite Message" and "Direct Add Message". Those function differently: The Active message, if any, gets pre-filled, and there is no selector for choosing an alternate template. If none is Active, then the last sent text is pre-filled. Maybe these two cases should work more like "Message to Member"?

And... Maybe the "Last sent message" should be a template of its own, independently in each of the "sent by moderator" cases. It would be automatically created/updated whenever a moderator sends a message whose body doesn't match one of the existing templates.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: Group by topic and hide archive

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Quote not well hide



moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

 

p.s. Yes, I'm kidding. Half.;)

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:28 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:17 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
"what we're about"

You need the email functionality to lure in all the hapless yahoo people. Once they're all in, you can eliminate email. Bwahahahaha! (wicked laugh....) 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:17 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
"what we're about"

You need the email functionality to lure in all the hapless yahoo people. Once they're all in, you can eliminate email. Bwahahahaha! (wicked laugh....) 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Poll on mobile view

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Look the diffence


moderated Re: Group by topic and hide archive

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Quote not well hide



moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:10 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Notice what we're about.

This is a P.S. of sorts, and a general observation, but any of the use of "what we're about" from a blog post, even from the service's creator, that dates from three years ago (almost) leaves me unmoved.  And I say that because "what we're about" at the outset of any large undertaking and "what we're about" once that undertaking has gathered steam and matured (or is actively maturing) can be completely different things.

I have no doubt that this is still what Mark and Groups.io is actually about, and am not contesting that point, as his initial manifesto has been elaborated upon in such a way as to know his current thinking.  But it's because of that ongoing and consistent elaboration that I know "what we're about," not because of what he said in September 2014.
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       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

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moderated Re: Can we change the topic at the message level?

 

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 01:10 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
  I can't count the number of e-mail lists I've known of that have disappeared over the decades and transitioned to online forums.

email = coal, online = solar? 
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