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Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Carol Good
 

Would it help to require a statement of why applicants want to join which
could not be filled out by a machine properly, then you could glance at
this box to see if it was a legitimate subscriber for any that make it
through and quickly delete those that are not legitimate.
So far we haven't had any spam signups to our recently moved group. Back in the early days we took the decision to ask applicants to reply giving a name/nickname, age and location before membership was approved. We don't have a large membership, nor do we expect more than a couple of signups a month (if we're lucky!) but spam signups won't respond to a request for details. We had a long period with this issue at yahoogroups (when we were busier with signups) and it was easy to weed out the spammers.

Carol


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

David P. Dillard
 

Would it help to require a statement of why applicants want to join which could not be filled out by a machine properly, then you could glance at this box to see if it was a legitimate subscriber for any that make it through and quickly delete those that are not legitimate.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017, Dave wrote:

As the owner / moderator of 3 groups I can appreciate Helen's frustration with the bogus membership
requests.  It's obvious from the email addresses that these are generated by phishing robots.  Culling
these bogus membership requests should not be the responsibility of individual group owners and
moderators.  There are some very good tools available to deny global membership to robots.  The best I
have seen requires a confirmation by visual recognition feedback, i.e. select all of the boxes which
have a cat photo, or all of the boxes with a number, etc.  Wrong selection and the requester is toast.
The 14 day aging on the pending list is ludicrous.  Helen' list would grow to nearly 2000 if she waited
for the system to handle the list. I am experiencing different levels of phishing requests on the 3
groups and it appears to be related to the group name.  If it smacks of opportunity the group is
attacked!  My group named "nbems" receives less than 10% of the bogus requests experienced by
"linuxham".  The group "larg" is seldom targeted. Please get this fixed!! David On 03/31/2017 04:12 AM,
Helen wrote:
We are getting swamped witth these. We've gone from 7-15 pending members a day to 50-100. The problem, Shal, is firstly the sheer volume (trying to fiind the person to approve in a list of five
pages) but mainIy it's that we no longer know who is legitimate, so the people who are legitimate are no longer getting the help they need to join the group. We used to leave members pending for 3-5 days a
nd send reminders to them but if we leave them for five days I could end up with 250 pending members or
more. Even though I no longer give them so long to respond, we regularly have three pages worth of so-
called pending members. I just rejected 115 or so this morning. It's pretty obvious with some of them (I kind of guessed with donotreplyATairbnb.com), and when I had a
host of them from one particular Russian company domain (weird that all the staff suddenly had sick ca
ts), but I can't tell with all the gmail and yahoo addresses. Ideally I'd like groups.io to somehow filter the baddies (this never used to happen, but I do have a jo
in option on my website, I don't know if that's a factor) but I know that's easier said than done. At the moment I'd prefer the NC members not to show (they never did with yahoo!groups) but since I then wo
uldn't know about the legitimate NC members, maybe the system could send the confirmation e-mail to the
m every day. I'm open to other suggestions. Thanks.
Helen
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 03:34 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
What is it the restricted group mods don't like?
That is, it is perilous to suggest mitigation ideas when I don't know what it is they don't like having to "deal with".
Is it the pending member notification? Maybe that can be deferred until the person confirms. Or maybe notification of an unconfirmed pending member is a separate notification checkbox.
Is it the mere presence of these NC members in their Members list? I don't see much hope for that without breaking the ability for mods to help legit but NC members get confirmed. Maybe a "confirmed only" view of the list in addition to Moderators, Pending, Bouncing and Banned?


moderated Re: Vacation

Ginny T.
 

Have a wonderful time, Mark! Thanks for how hard you work; please give yourself a break and enjoy!!

Travel safely,

Ginny


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Taffman <webmaster@...>
 

What would be really neat (but maybe only useful to my community?) is the ability to define sign up questions. If these fields had the ability to have REGEX validation behind them then you could weed out the undesirables by validating the sign up questions that way. It worked for me on one of the CRM sites I manage, just a thought.


Re: Spam/bogus join requests

Dave
 

As the owner / moderator of 3 groups I can appreciate Helen's frustration with the bogus membership requests.  It's obvious from the email addresses that these are generated by phishing robots.  Culling these bogus membership requests should not be the responsibility of individual group owners and moderators.  There are some very good tools available to deny global membership to robots.  The best I have seen requires a confirmation by visual recognition feedback, i.e. select all of the boxes which have a cat photo, or all of the boxes with a number, etc.  Wrong selection and the requester is toast.

The 14 day aging on the pending list is ludicrous.  Helen' list would grow to nearly 2000 if she waited for the system to handle the list.

I am experiencing different levels of phishing requests on the 3 groups and it appears to be related to the group name.  If it smacks of opportunity the group is attacked!  My group named "nbems" receives less than 10% of the bogus requests experienced by "linuxham".  The group "larg" is seldom targeted.

Please get this fixed!!

David

On 03/31/2017 04:12 AM, Helen wrote:
We are getting swamped witth these. We've gone from 7-15 pending members a day to 50-100. 

The problem, Shal, is firstly the sheer volume (trying to fiind the person to approve in a list of five pages) but mainIy it's that we no longer know who is legitimate, so the people who are legitimate are no longer getting the help they need to join the group. We used to leave members pending for 3-5 days and send reminders to them but if we leave them for five days I could end up with 250 pending members or more. Even though I no longer give them so long to respond, we regularly have three pages worth of so-called pending members. I just rejected 115 or so this morning. 

It's pretty obvious with some of them (I kind of guessed with donotreplyATairbnb.com), and when I had a host of them from one particular Russian company domain (weird that all the staff suddenly had sick cats), but I can't tell with all the gmail and yahoo addresses. 

Ideally I'd like groups.io to somehow filter the baddies (this never used to happen, but I do have a join option on my website, I don't know if that's a factor) but I know that's easier said than done.  At the moment I'd prefer the NC members not to show (they never did with yahoo!groups) but since I then wouldn't know about the legitimate NC members, maybe the system could send the confirmation e-mail to them every day. 

I'm open to other suggestions. 

Thanks.
 
Helen
 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 03:34 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

What is it the restricted group mods don't like?

That is, it is perilous to suggest mitigation ideas when I don't know 
what it is they don't like having to "deal with".

Is it the pending member notification? Maybe that can be deferred until 
the person confirms. Or maybe notification of an unconfirmed pending 
member is a separate notification checkbox.

Is it the mere presence of these NC members in their Members list? I 
don't see much hope for that without breaking the ability for mods to 
help legit but NC members get confirmed. Maybe a "confirmed only" view 
of the list in addition to Moderators, Pending, Bouncing and Banned?




Re: Spam/bogus join requests

 

We are getting swamped witth these. We've gone from 7-15 pending members a day to 50-100.

The problem, Shal, is firstly the sheer volume (trying to fiind the person to approve in a list of five pages) but mainIy it's that we no longer know who is legitimate, so the people who are legitimate are no longer getting the help they need to join the group. We used to leave members pending for 3-5 days and send reminders to them but if we leave them for five days I could end up with 250 pending members or more. Even though I no longer give them so long to respond, we regularly have three pages worth of so-called pending members. I just rejected 115 or so this morning.

It's pretty obvious with some of them (I kind of guessed with donotreplyATairbnb.com), and when I had a host of them from one particular Russian company domain (weird that all the staff suddenly had sick cats), but I can't tell with all the gmail and yahoo addresses.

Ideally I'd like groups.io to somehow filter the baddies (this never used to happen, but I do have a join option on my website, I don't know if that's a factor) but I know that's easier said than done. At the moment I'd prefer the NC members not to show (they never did with yahoo!groups) but since I then wouldn't know about the legitimate NC members, maybe the system could send the confirmation e-mail to them every day.

I'm open to other suggestions.

Thanks.

Helen

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 03:34 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

What is it the restricted group mods don't like?

That is, it is perilous to suggest mitigation ideas when I don't know
what it is they don't like having to "deal with".

Is it the pending member notification? Maybe that can be deferred until
the person confirms. Or maybe notification of an unconfirmed pending
member is a separate notification checkbox.

Is it the mere presence of these NC members in their Members list? I
don't see much hope for that without breaking the ability for mods to
help legit but NC members get confirmed. Maybe a "confirmed only" view
of the list in addition to Moderators, Pending, Bouncing and Banned?


moderated Re: Photos and files

Jean Bennett
 

From our group's perspective, we would prefer to keep things the way they are.  We like the Photos section with its ability to sort photos into Albums - and we use the Files section very little.  Please don't change it.  If some Groups.io members need the ability to include photos in Files and some don't (and we are among those who don't), then the option of turning the feature off seems more appropriate.

Jean

#OrlandoStrong


moderated Re: allow select members to post unmoderated in a moderated topic (would "override not moderated" do this?) #suggestion

 

Great, thanks!
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moderated Re: Photos and files

 

I wouldn't mind if they're under one roof (although it may get confusing?), but we do need to allow photos in the Files section if they stay separate sections.

J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Vacation

Douglas Swearingen <dougiebehr460@...>
 

Have a great vacation Mark.  IF any of us deserve one it is definitely you.

Have a Great time in Europe as well.  Thank You also for all you do to make Groups.io what it is.

Doug


On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:19 PM, Jim Ruby <jim@...> wrote:


Have a great time J
 
From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Vacation
 
Hi All,
 
I will be on vacation from Monday 4/3, back on Wednesday 4/12. During this time I will be slow(er than normal) to respond to emails, and group transfer requests may be delayed. I'll be in Europe, so expect any responses to be during those daylight hours.
 
As usual, I will continue to monitor the site and respond to any issues during this time.
 
Thanks,
Mark



Re: Stopping posting of photos in the file section?

Duane
 

If I really needed to put a photo in the files section for some reason, I'd print it to a pdf file and upload that.

Duane


moderated Re: Photos and files

Tami D <artfulmuze@...>
 

I would have to go with No on this. We're big into photos and combining the two would get too confusing for our group members.

On 3/29/2017 3:04 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

With the issue of people uploading photos to the files section and preventing that for some groups but not others, it had me wondering. Would it make sense to combine the Files and Photos sections into one section, Files?


moderated Re: Photos and files

Ro
 

Sorry, didnt read this carefully.  Obviously, it would negatively impact some groups to be forced to have photos in Files.  I am a believer in owner options.  Photos and files need to remain basically  separate, with the group owner allowed  to choose whether to allow photo uploads to files.

Ro



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy® Note 4.


-------- Original message --------
From: Sue <sue.tier@...>
Date: 3/29/17 13:12 (GMT-08:00)
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Photos and files

I would vote no on this one. We are not a photo heavy group but we do want to keep them separate from our files so we appreciate the blocking of photos to file folders.

 

Sue

 

>With the issue of people uploading photos to the files section and preventing that for some groups but not others, it had me wondering. Would it make sense to combine the Files and Photos sections into one section, Files? 

 


moderated Re: Photos and files

Ro
 

But the request is to make it an option for the group owner.  Default could  be no photos in files.  Those of us that need them, can click the option.   I dont understand why you want to prevent those of us that NEED this option from having it.



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy® Note 4.


-------- Original message --------
From: Sue <sue.tier@...>
Date: 3/29/17 13:12 (GMT-08:00)
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Photos and files

I would vote no on this one. We are not a photo heavy group but we do want to keep them separate from our files so we appreciate the blocking of photos to file folders.

 

Sue

 

>With the issue of people uploading photos to the files section and preventing that for some groups but not others, it had me wondering. Would it make sense to combine the Files and Photos sections into one section, Files? 

 


moderated Re: allow select members to post unmoderated in a moderated topic (would "override not moderated" do this?) #suggestion

 

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 7:40 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I currently have a topic on moderation but I would like to allow certain posters to post to it without the moderation, because I'd like any responses from them to reach the group as soon as possible. It would be convenient if "moderate topic" allowed an override for selected members. I tested the member setting "override - not moderated" and it does not accomplish this. Could that be changed?

I've changed it to behave this way now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Photos and files

Sue
 

I would vote no on this one. We are not a photo heavy group but we do want to keep them separate from our files so we appreciate the blocking of photos to file folders.

 

Sue

 

>With the issue of people uploading photos to the files section and preventing that for some groups but not others, it had me wondering. Would it make sense to combine the Files and Photos sections into one section, Files? 

 

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moderated Photos and files

 

Hi All,

With the issue of people uploading photos to the files section and preventing that for some groups but not others, it had me wondering. Would it make sense to combine the Files and Photos sections into one section, Files? 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Vacation

Jim Ruby <jim@...>
 

Have a great time J

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Vacation

 

Hi All,

 

I will be on vacation from Monday 4/3, back on Wednesday 4/12. During this time I will be slow(er than normal) to respond to emails, and group transfer requests may be delayed. I'll be in Europe, so expect any responses to be during those daylight hours.

 

As usual, I will continue to monitor the site and respond to any issues during this time.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Vacation

 

(...said as I silently wring my hands and tear my hair and wonder what we are going to do without you....;)

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:13 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Mark, have a great vacation!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Vacation

 

Mark, have a great vacation!
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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