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moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J,

         I'm not disagreeing that "relevant people" goes beyond offenders to all participants, but we all know that some people are more "relevant" than others when it comes to taking the actions being mentioned.

         By the way, if you use the web interface you'd have to be "dumb as a box of rocks" not to notice the "moderated gavel" or "locked lock" in front of a topic.  The "locked lock" couldn't be more obvious in its meaning.

         I get that the dynamic is different via e-mail and I have experimented with responding to locked topics on the shalstest group just to see what I get back.  I've long ago decided that most users (and, yes, I do mean most) pay very little attention to anything that isn't their "item of focus" at any given moment.  I am driven insane by people who send messages castigating others for "filling up their inboxes" with topics they don't approve of and don't think appropriate for a given forum.  My reply to these messages is either a nice or snarky version of, "Hey, did you ever notice that 'Mute this Topic' link at the end of each and every message you receive?  Well, you might want to consider using it."

         I need to finish putting together my little guide for setting up your messages, but this must be done via the web interface, that you receive the first message of any topic but will receive no further messages unless you follow that topic.  That's another technique that too few know about and that can be particularly handy on high-traffic groups.  Combined with the "Automatically follow topics I reply to" feature it really limits what you keep getting to what you're interested in seeing at any given period of time for a group.
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Brian

 

       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

             ~ Winston Churchill


moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

 

p.s. by "relevant people" I mean simply the people in the thread. Not necessarily the "offenders." People posting via email often continue to try posting to a closed thread because they don't and can't notice a missing "Reply" button, so they bang their heads up against that wall, sometimes repeatedly, wondering why their message is coming back to them (yeah, yeah, they "should" read the reason given in the bounce message but often don't). And people posting from the web see the "your message will be posted after it is approved by the moderators" banner and sometimes email me in consternation or anger, thinking they've been put on moderation. I think it's obvious that everyone in a thread, whether posting by email or web, needs to get the message that the thread is being moderated or locked, and the only way to accomplish that is to post it in the thread. I've been doing it by hand so far, but a boilerplate, automated (by clicking a button), consistent message would do much to allay people feeling singled out, and reduce the head-banging, etc.
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moderated "all moderator" group #suggestion

 

Could there be a group type, on the opposite end of the more restrictive types in terms of permissions, where everyone who joins is automatically made a moderator? One of my groups is like that in terms of policy, but since it's not automatic I have to go in by hand and set every new member to "moderator." One of the reasons is so that everyone can invite others. Another is a sort of increased level of equality of membership that's desirable in this particular group.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

 

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 07:10 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Good on you for taking this approach.

Well, thanks, but I honestly don't see any alternative as viable. Other alternatives never actually even occurred to me. ???? 
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 03:41 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
I think it would have to be part of the topic (next message in the topic) for the relevant people to see it.

This has been one of my personal pet peeves that I've taken up with a number of different list owners/moderators who insist  on splitting off a dedicated "finger scraping" thread, particularly when trying to close another, which makes absolutely no sense because "the relevant people" often don't see it and it's even worse when they don't know how to use the lock feature.

It also serves no purpose for the "historical bad example" record.  Future readers should be able to see the clear flow, within a topic, that caused it to be locked or moderated and that means putting the "this thread is being locked/moderated" message on the thread itself.

Good on you for taking this approach.
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Brian

 

       Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.

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moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Not exactly


moderated Put an edit control near the Sticky Wiki

 

Mark,

One inconvenient aspect of the Stiky Wiki feature is that when it comes time to update its content you have to go find the page in your Wiki's list of pages. Then come back to Messages to check the resulting appearance.

Perhaps moderators (those who can modify group settings) and owners should always see an Edit link or button near the Sticky Wiki display (and an empty box when the page is empty). Saving or Discarding the edit would return you to the page (Topics or Messages) where you started.

This would also make the Sticky Wiki feature fully usable even when the main Wiki is disabled (it already displays despite that setting).

Note: I am not suggesting that its page be removed from among the Wiki pages, merely that a link to its Edit page be placed near its display.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

 

Ok, now it's really fixed. :-)

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Poll results

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Possibility to sort results by order (less to more)?


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:40 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:14 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
INTERNAL: Developed api test harness for development of iOS/Android app.

It's possible to imagine to futur a app like Facebook Groups?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.groups

 
Yes, if all goes well, in a few months, there will be a real Groups.io app, for both iOS and Android. Also, for enterprise groups, they will have their own, branded app.

 Excellent!


moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 01:03 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Should be fixed now. You may have to force reload the page first.

:-P


moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

 

I think it would have to be part of the topic (next message in the topic) for the relevant people to see it.
J

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On May 23, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

The idea was suggested by a member of our admin team and we are working out the details, but I immediately had the impulse to want it to be automated. So, is this possible? Could there be a customizable message for the lock and moderate topic situations that moderators can click on to include as the last post in a thread before it goes on moderation or is locked? I suppose it would require a new message category in "member notices," possibly "topic notice"? Then when you click on "moderate topic" or "lock topic," a dropdown would come up. Or something. Not sure whether this is more trouble than it's worth, but it would be very convenient for our group.

So, this would be a message that would be sent to the group when you lock or moderate a topic, and that message would be a part of the topic that is being locked/moderated (ie. it would be a reply to the original message that started the topic)? Or would you want this message to be displayed "out-of-band", ie. differently from how a message is displayed? 

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: automated, customizable "topic closed" and "topic moderated" notices #suggestion

 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

The idea was suggested by a member of our admin team and we are working out the details, but I immediately had the impulse to want it to be automated. So, is this possible? Could there be a customizable message for the lock and moderate topic situations that moderators can click on to include as the last post in a thread before it goes on moderation or is locked? I suppose it would require a new message category in "member notices," possibly "topic notice"? Then when you click on "moderate topic" or "lock topic," a dropdown would come up. Or something. Not sure whether this is more trouble than it's worth, but it would be very convenient for our group.

So, this would be a message that would be sent to the group when you lock or moderate a topic, and that message would be a part of the topic that is being locked/moderated (ie. it would be a reply to the original message that started the topic)? Or would you want this message to be displayed "out-of-band", ie. differently from how a message is displayed? 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:
Problem with mobile view. See screenshot.
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Should be fixed now. You may have to force reload the page first.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Problem with mobile view. See screenshot.


moderated Re: Merge messages to account

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:40 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Benoît Dumeaux <benoit.dumeaux@...> wrote:

After Y!G transfer some profil and message are not linked to account. Possibility to merge message to account?

Unfortunately, doing some of that can be super tricky and time consuming

The super bad news of the day... So it's not possible to see all the messages write by a user before transfer.


moderated Re: Group by topic and hide archive

Benoît Dumeaux
 

When the subject is the same maybe groups.io could do suggestions to moderator for merge subjects?

What informations you must have for detect quoted parts?


moderated new hashtag option - disallow muting #suggestion

 

It would be convenient to have a category of hashtags that can't be muted. I realize that "Special" hashtags can't be muted, so one solution would be to just set any tags I don't want muted to "Special." But it would be nice to have something in between. I don't necessarily want to send certain messages as special notices, but I do want them not to be mutable. I know there's an argument to be made about people wanting to read only what they want to read. So I'm not sure how others would feel about this option. But it would serve a definite purpose in our group.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

Mark Fletcher
 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:41 AM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Something strange (or not): a formatting symbol often appears at the bottom left, with the word count at the far right. I don't know if these are helpful or necessary. Maybe someone can explain...

That's a quirk of the editor. I can remove that line, but then that also removes the 'handle' on the right which you can use to resize the text box. I will continue to look for a solution, as I agree that line is weird/confusing.

Mark 


moderated Re: New editor live for everyone

 

Something strange (or not): a formatting symbol often appears at the bottom left, with the word count at the far right. I don't know if these are helpful or necessary. Maybe someone can explain...
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J

 

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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