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moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

That makes complete sense and 'claiming' is a great solution! Still not what Joseph seems to be talking about. But if it is, I agree with you and Maria that the claiming mechanism fills the bill.

J

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On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 09:21 am, J_Catlady wrote:


it seems irrelevant to the one Joseph is alluding to of mods ignoring a
message
I've run into a similar situation a time or two. I can't quite decide if the message should be posted, rejected, or deleted. As group owner, I sometimes claim it until I've had time to think it over. Until I got assistants, I just left them pending (and they went away in 2 weeks if I didn't do something, making my decision for me.)

Duane


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moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 09:21 am, J_Catlady wrote:


it seems irrelevant to the one Joseph is alluding to of mods ignoring a
message
I've run into a similar situation a time or two. I can't quite decide if the message should be posted, rejected, or deleted. As group owner, I sometimes claim it until I've had time to think it over. Until I got assistants, I just left them pending (and they went away in 2 weeks if I didn't do something, making my decision for me.)

Duane


moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 09:18 am, HR Tech wrote:

Claiming a message could be an interim solution if you don't want other mods to approve it - but you aren't quite ready to delete/reject.

Claiming a message satisfies a lot of goals (or "use cases," as Joseph puts it). But it seems irrelevant to the one Joseph is alluding to of mods ignoring a message. If they claim it, they're not ignoring it. ;) 
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moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

Maria
 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 08:15 am, J_Catlady wrote:
Curiouser and curiouser....yes, "claiming" is great feature, but in this case, why would they go to the bother of claiming it if they just want to get rid of it? Why not just delete it? And Joseph has said the problem is that they ignore it (meaning, I presume, don't want to deal with it). Claiming it is already dealing with it. Either way, the proposed addition seems unnecessary.

Agree with you J that the proposed addition appears unnecessary - plus, don't pending messages expire after a certain window of time anyway?

Claiming a message could be an interim solution if you don't want other mods to approve it - but you aren't quite ready to delete/reject.

Maria


moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

Ro
 

I understood claiming to be for the purpose of preventing two moderators from working on the same message at the same time, but it certainly seems that it would be the answer for this inexplicable moderator inaction


Ro

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From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:15 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout
 
Curiouser and curiouser....yes, "claiming" is great feature, but in this case, why would they go to the bother of claiming it if they just want to get rid of it? Why not just delete it? And Joseph has said the problem is that they ignore it (meaning, I presume, don't want to deal with it). Claiming it is already dealing with it. Either way, the proposed addition seems unnecessary.
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moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

Curiouser and curiouser....yes, "claiming" is great feature, but in this case, why would they go to the bother of claiming it if they just want to get rid of it? Why not just delete it? And Joseph has said the problem is that they ignore it (meaning, I presume, don't want to deal with it). Claiming it is already dealing with it. Either way, the proposed addition seems unnecessary.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

Maria
 

Also a moderator can "claim" the message on this system so that other mods don't touch it and accidentally approve it.

Another great groups.io feature, which I think would resolve the issue you describe.

Maria


moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

But why couldn't they just delete or reject the message? This sounds like a moderator behavior issue rather than something calling for a software solution.

J

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On Mar 10, 2017, at 6:55 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

There might be times when a moderator or an owner may simply ignore a message, say, from a moderated member who posts a message that is considered off-topic. Another use case is to ignore spam from unregistered users or spambots,especially from places such as Linked In and what not and these are sent to the list address.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 4:54 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

I'm trying to understand this proposal, strictly out of curiosity. What do you mean that the message 'was not supposed to go to the list,' unless a moderator had already seen and rejected it? I'm not against this proposal but I don't understand it. It seems to be penalizing a group member for the group moderators' failure to act. ???

 

J

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On Mar 10, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

The following was observed on one of the lists I manage: an associate owner approved a message that was more than several days old and was not supposed to go to the list, causing confusion for some members.

 

Thus I’d like to propose having a timeout where group owners can specify how long a message needing to be approved stays until an automatic action is taken (remove the message, do not approve, etc.).

 

Thanks.
Cheers,

Josep


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

Hi,

There might be times when a moderator or an owner may simply ignore a message, say, from a moderated member who posts a message that is considered off-topic. Another use case is to ignore spam from unregistered users or spambots,especially from places such as Linked In and what not and these are sent to the list address.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: beta@groups.io [mailto:beta@groups.io] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 4:54 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

I'm trying to understand this proposal, strictly out of curiosity. What do you mean that the message 'was not supposed to go to the list,' unless a moderator had already seen and rejected it? I'm not against this proposal but I don't understand it. It seems to be penalizing a group member for the group moderators' failure to act. ???

 

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 10, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

The following was observed on one of the lists I manage: an associate owner approved a message that was more than several days old and was not supposed to go to the list, causing confusion for some members.

 

Thus I’d like to propose having a timeout where group owners can specify how long a message needing to be approved stays until an automatic action is taken (remove the message, do not approve, etc.).

 

Thanks.
Cheers,

Josep


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

I'm trying to understand this proposal, strictly out of curiosity. What do you mean that the message 'was not supposed to go to the list,' unless a moderator had already seen and rejected it? I'm not against this proposal but I don't understand it. It seems to be penalizing a group member for the group moderators' failure to act. ???

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

The following was observed on one of the lists I manage: an associate owner approved a message that was more than several days old and was not supposed to go to the list, causing confusion for some members.

 

Thus I’d like to propose having a timeout where group owners can specify how long a message needing to be approved stays until an automatic action is taken (remove the message, do not approve, etc.).

 

Thanks.
Cheers,

Josep


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Proposal: allow group owners to set message approval timeout

 

Hi,

 

The following was observed on one of the lists I manage: an associate owner approved a message that was more than several days old and was not supposed to go to the list, causing confusion for some members.

 

Thus I’d like to propose having a timeout where group owners can specify how long a message needing to be approved stays until an automatic action is taken (remove the message, do not approve, etc.).

 

Thanks.
Cheers,

Josep


moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

 

Thanks, Mark. I noticed that greenfizzpops wrote

"I tried:
-Approve Pending Members
-Set Member Subscription Options (also allows access to the member list) 
And also set them to receive all owner emails but that didn't allow them to see the +owner messages "tab" on the member's page."

But I've now tested this in my test group, and it works fine for me.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:53 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

So it seems that only group owners have access to the individual member pages.

A group moderator with at least one of the following permissions also has access to individual member pages:

- Approve Pending Members
- Remove Members
- Ban Members
- Set Member Subscription Options
- Set Moderator Privileges

Mark 


Re: Stopping posting of photos in the file section?

Duane
 

Since the most common extension on photos is jpg, maybe disallow that in the File area? And possibly note that they must go in the Photo area when an attempt is made?

Duane


moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

 

So it seems that only group owners have access to the individual member pages.

Mark, I would suggest changing the wording in caveat on the member's "notes" section, which currently reads: "Notes are only viewable by group moderators." In fact, I might remove the caveat entirely, since only owners, not moderators, will even get to that page to read it.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

Douglas Swearingen <dougiebehr460@...>
 

In the group I am a Co-Owner of, we got around whether a moderator can see owner messages by making the 3 or us all Co-Owners.

Doug


On Thursday, March 9, 2017 2:38 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:


p.s. It's odd. I just did a test in my test group by making a test member into a moderator. That member can see the members list, but can't click on any member's page and see it. The member pages are not clickable. The member's individual page is where the owner messages from the member are listed.
I wonder if this is a bug. My understanding, especially because of the notation under the "notes" section on a member's page that moderators can see those notes, is that all mods have access to each individual member page. That seems not to be the case now.
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J
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moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

 

p.s. It's odd. I just did a test in my test group by making a test member into a moderator. That member can see the members list, but can't click on any member's page and see it. The member pages are not clickable. The member's individual page is where the owner messages from the member are listed.

I wonder if this is a bug. My understanding, especially because of the notation under the "notes" section on a member's page that moderators can see those notes, is that all mods have access to each individual member page. That seems not to be the case now.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


Stopping posting of photos in the file section?

LeeAnne
 

Hello Mark and all

Is there any way to stop members from uploading photos to the file sections? 

I spend way too much time sending members to the wiki for instructions (which of course they either can't understand or don't read before uploading) or looking for and deleting photos from the files. The photos take up huge amounts of data and of course are very difficult to view when not in an album. 


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-LeeAnne

ECIR Archivist


moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:34 pm, Green Fizzpops wrote:
The issue is what they can see on the groups.io website.

Oh, ok. I don't know the answer to that. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: moderator permissions for seeing +owner messages?

Green Fizzpops
 

Yes, but that isn't the issue.

The issue is what they can see on the groups.io website.

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