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moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

 

To add a few details that might help understand the situation. This is a group of well over 2,000 members, with a message archive of well over 85,000 messages, reaching back to onelist in 1998. Mark talked previously about Yahoo imposing a limit on the number of messages that could be moved per hour, and I'm sure that was certainly a factor. I'm going to estimate message transfer time alone was well over four hours, and Mark explained there was an unexpected glitch in transferring photos that hung up that process and the moving of files such that it had to be manually redone.
 
Yes, moderating the group might help, but I was still trying to deal with people trying to manually subscribe during the automated process. I believe much of this impatience was because people had gotten the move message and felt they needed to do something. If they hadn't gotten the message until the membership was fully moved and the messages populated, that would avoid some problems from the membership, and wouldn't hurt anything that I could see. Maybe others have different circumstances that would require different handling. In this case I suspect waiting on sending the message as avoiding problems for most people.
 
Ginny, it sounds like you have a well-minding group. Sometimes I wish I could say the same. My group is a historically focused group with a lot of older, independent guys who haven't followed instructions unquestioningly since the last big war. And yet, because of their age and spirit, these are the ones who share the most history with others and who bring a taste of reality to the group. Their computer expertise runs the entire spectrum, but I have to create detailed instructions to do things and some still have problems (as I've noted on GroupManagersForum). When I mentioned the impending move, one experienced member wished me luck in herding the cats. There was more truth to that than I had hoped.
 
Dano
 
 

Ginny commented:
With all due respect, I think this is more of a group owner thing to take care of. I moved a 700+ group last month, with just under 30,000 messages in the archive from Yahoo Groups. I spent the weeks running up to the move date prepping my people (while still on Yahoo) in terms of what will happen, what they will see, how to activate their subscription... and I also prepped our new Groups.io site with the cover photo, writing the wiki to provide user-help documentation, making sure all of the settings were tweaked, setting up the standing messages, etc.

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moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

 

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 09:46 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
Don't send out the notice letter telling members they have been moved until after the message archive is done populating.

Makes sense to me. I transferred my group long ago, but just assumed that the notices weren't sent out until the messages had also been transferred. 
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moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

Ginny T.
 

With all due respect, I think this is more of a group owner thing to take care of. I moved a 700+ group last month, with just under 30,000 messages in the archive from Yahoo Groups. I spent the weeks running up to the move date prepping my people (while still on Yahoo) in terms of what will happen, what they will see, how to activate their subscription... and I also prepped our new Groups.io site with the cover photo, writing the wiki to provide user-help documentation, making sure all of the settings were tweaked, setting up the standing messages, etc.

As I had told the group, all messages would be moderated at the start-up which included the actual move, which took about 2 hours if I remember right, and went off swimmingly) so that even as they got the Groups.io move message, no one would be able to post to Groups.io until I was sure that the move was complete and in place. I kept them up to date on the old Yahoo group regarding when I requested Mark to schedule us, when he let me know that the membership transfer was done, and then when I got the report that the archive was complete.  That's when I allowed posts, uploads, etc, and also immediately turned off posting in the old Yahoo Group as well as added a standing message on the old group that the move had occurred.

I too had some people trying to "help" by moving themselves prior to the transfer while I was working on the prep - I put some strongly worded reminders out, and temporarily made the new Groups membership "restricted". That solved the problem :>)  They could not subscribe even if they tried.

My take on moving a group was/is (I have another one to move, shortly) that as the owner, it was my job to prep my people in terms of letting them know what to expect, providing instructions to them about what to do and not do as we approached zero-hour, being ready to help, and yes handling the ones that will still do what they want, and have that all fine-tuned by the time I sent the note to Mark that said "let it rip"... overall, it worked just fine and even my groupies were happy. I hope maybe that these thoughts would help others getting ready to transfer.

Ginny


moderated Re: No option to edit message

 

David C,

You will soon run headfirst into the problem(s) with letting members edit their messages, assuming your group is unmoderated. GMF is moderated and won't experience the problems. Beta is unmoderated and eventually disabled editing for what I suspect are the same reasons many others of us with unmoderated groups ran into.

J

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On Apr 8, 2017, at 11:38 AM, DavidC KD4E <qrv@...> wrote:

Yes, thanks.

For now I will allow editing - I don't see a problem with that ... yet.

:-)


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: No option to edit message

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 12:32 pm, Dave Sergeant wrote:


Those who receive them by email will not see the
updated version.
That depends on which button you click after editing one. There are "Save and Send" and "Save Without Sending" available.

Duane


moderated Re: No option to edit message

Dave Sergeant
 

Although you have now found a way to edit messages I would ask why you
would want to do this. Those who receive them by email will not see the
updated version. Surely the way to do it is to create a new messages
explaining the changes so that all your members see it.

Dave

On 8 Apr 2017 at 11:38, DavidC KD4E wrote:

Yes, thanks.

For now I will allow editing - I don't see a problem with that ...
yet.

:-)

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: No option to edit message

DavidC KD4E <qrv@...>
 

Yes, thanks.

For now I will allow editing - I don't see a problem with that ... yet.

:-)


moderated Re: No option to edit message

Frances
 

Agreed, it would be better to put these (edit subject and edit message) together.

BTW, I guess you saw that you can change permissions for your members.  In Admin, Settings, Messages. You can disallow members editing messages. For example, Beta group doesn't allow this. GroupManagersForum does allow editing of my own messages.

Frances


moderated Re: No option to edit message

DavidC KD4E <qrv@...>
 

That was it, thanks!

It's rather non-intuitive.

Why not include "Edit Message" in the drop-down along with "Edit Subject"?

Thanks again!


moderated Re: No option to edit message

Frances
 

Sorry - here's the screenshot:



moderated Re: No option to edit message

Frances
 

Hi David,

Have you tried clicking on More in the bottom of the message? 

Here's what it looks like on my family group on a message I wrote (to my brother David!):

Frances


moderated No option to edit message

DavidC KD4E <qrv@...>
 

In theory this can be done ...

Edit Messages
Edit already posted messages, and view previous revisions of messages.

I'm the Owner of https://se-usatechforum.groups.io/

I'm only offered the option of editing the Subject and not the text of a Message.

Is there a setting I need to toggle somewhere, please?

Thanks!


moderated Re: Local timezone / calendar settings

Duane
 

These are on Mark's to-do list, along with many other things. https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta

Duane


moderated Re: Go back to current place in topic search results when acting on topics #suggestion

 

Shal, thanks for the suggestion.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

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moderated Re: Go back to current place in topic search results when acting on topics #suggestion

 

J,

I've been going through some old topics based on search criteria.
Every time I do something to one of them (such as lock it), I am
taken out of the search results and back to the top of the complete
topics list, and have to do the search over again.
You may well know this already, but one work-around for this is to not leave the search results page.

Instead of clicking on at item use Ctrl+Shift+click - open in new tab and switch to it. That way when you're done with the item you simply close the new tab and the browser puts you back in the original tab - the still-open result list.

That works in Firefox and the other browsers I've used (Chrome, IE). Or you can right-click on the link and select the option of your choice. Your mileage may vary on other browsers, but there's probably an equivalent easy way to open a link in a new tab or window, rather than opening it in the current tab/window.

That isn't to say Mark shouldn't improve what happens with the groups.io site, but I've found that trick extremely useful on many different sites. So much so that my left fingers automatically move to Ctrl+Shift whenever I think of clicking on a link.

Shal
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


moderated Local timezone / calendar settings

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

I think half of the world would appreciate the possibility to customize the timestamp format and also the calendar preferences.

24 hours indication instead of AM/PM and calendar beginning on Monday and European date formats like MM.DD.YYYY etc.


..

Erik


moderated Localized automated messages related to subscription, confirmation of subscription etc.

Erik Finskas OH2LAK
 

Hello dear beta group.

I would add to the wish list a possibility to customize the automated messages related to subsciption, confirmations etc. It would improve greatly the acceptance of a new platform (we're in process of moving Finnish groups to Groups.io) that the messages could be provided in local language.

..

Erik


moderated Re: Group transfer process suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I'm assuming you post is meant for group owners/moderators who intend to move their group to groups.io.

We moved our group in May 2016 which then had over 140,000 posts and 3000 members and it went off without a hitch.

I agree, no sense telling them till it works on the new site.

Bob Bellizzi, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Go back to current place in topic search results when acting on topics #suggestion

 

I've been going through some old topics based on search criteria. Every time I do something to one of them (such as lock it), I am taken out of the search results and back to the top of the complete topics list, and have to do the search over again.

Would it be possible to be taken back to where you were in topic search results after acting on a particular topic within the results?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. Especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Group transfer process suggestion

 

Based on my experience moving a large group with a large archive, I would like to offer the following suggestion:
• Don't send out the notice letter telling members they have been moved until after the message archive is done populating.

In the group in question, the rush to post caused a number of messages to fall into the middle of the transferred message archives, which had not completely transferred. (We had in excess of 30,000 posts, which took a few hours.) Additionally, I had a large number of people who thought they needed to move themselves, causing even more mayhem. I liken the ensuing chaos to trying to pour a concrete sidewalk in front of an elementary school on a Friday afternoon. The suggestion is intended to not let them know until the concrete is set. Thanks!

Dano

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